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[–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

Could this help with running other android apps on linux?

Year of the linux handset confirmed.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago*

    I hope so! Waydroid works on linux and on handsets, but since its still a container the android OS/apps still don't have full hardware access like direct Bluetooth, WiFi, etc. They pass internet, audio, and GPU acceleration to the waydroid container, but Bluetooth, WiFi, USB peripherals, etc are still locked to the host linux system. So having an android translation layer instead seems like it would be great for exposing all the hardware capabilities of the host system, to the android apps.

    Here's to hoping postmarketOS gets audio, camera and VoLTE support added for the Fairphone 5, and Valve releases its android translation layer. That would make the Fairphone 5 a daily driver for basically anyone.

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    [–] 40 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    That would be cool to be able to run some apps in a sandbox on a PC just because it would be far easier to circumvent the increasingly intrusive data collection.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Unfortunately the trend is that those apps usually require play integrity api https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide#apps-banning-grapheneos which requires that the app is running on a verified android(stock) device and custom ROMs can't run it same for waydroid.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/09/android-now-allows-apps-to-block-sideloading-and-push-a-google-play-version/

    and its just starting, its about to get even worse https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2025/08/elevating-android-security.html?m=1

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  • [–] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Oh boy, I’m waiting for the day I can flash a gnu/linux os on my phone and run this compatibility layer. My life will then be complete.

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  • [–] 54 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    pls fork android and bring android back to it's glory days.

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  • [–] 65 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    No, make a Linux phone. With this compatability layer there's no more issues of not having enough apps, like what largely killed the Windows phone.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I'm seriously considering getting a Legion Go and using it as a Linux Tablet. Sure it's bulky and definitely won't have the power efficiency to be a useful phone, but I can love with tethering to a phone for connectivity for now.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    This made me wonder, with FEX couldn't Valve release steam for android? Steam library on your phone sounds good to me.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    Yes, you can do this manually, and actually play video games from steam. There are also a few apps that facilitates this by having configured this already. Like winlator. Sadly maintaining something like this is huge work, so winlator doesn't ship video drivers for my Samsung S25, but there are some other similar programs, like the Chinese spyware gamehub. Gamehub is aimed at spying on you, and letting you run steam games with cloud saves and all.

    Thankfully, someone is maintaining a stripped down version of gamehub, that removes spyware functions. This is called gamehub lite.

    What's the performance. Its not amazing, but its not bad either. Haven't tested much, only hades 2 runs in full speed, without getting my phone hot.

    Also on the same chip as my phone, read dead redemption 1 for PC runs faster than the newly released android port of the game.

    These examples are not very demanding games, other games will very much be a ymmw situation

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Given that they did have a beta for Steam on x86 Chromebooks, and Google seems hellbend to replace ChromeOS with an modified version of Android ("AluminiumOS") these days, it seems likely that Valve will also consider a release for that. I wouldn't expect them to make an official release for phones though.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    I always enjoy recognizing a specific developer's handwriting in a finished product. Luckily, Valve's misyltoad, a proud inhabitant of "Frog Cult", United Kingdom, makes this very easy. From their work on frog-fifo-v1 for Mesa, to frog-color-management-v1 and frog protocols for Wayland, to their talk Rainbow Frogs: HDR + Color Management in Gamescope/SteamOS, they seem to follow a very strong theme. I'd be surprised if they weren’t responsible for this frog as well.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I guess that is a streamlined version of Waydroid?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    No, Waydroid merely used other projects wrapped in some crappy Python scripts & had a multitude of issues. If it is anything like Waydroid then I'll lose respect for Valve.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

    We know that it started as a fork of Waydroid

    But:

    Update: While Lepton was based from Waydroid at the beginning

    It seems to be a lot more custom now. To the point where it’s being described as “not really Waydroid anymore” from those who are working on it

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago

    That is all really useful info to have. Google Play Games for Windows uses their own crosvm sandbox, which has a couple---but not many---hack-a-rounds to run regular apps & for Houdini (ARM translation). And Android source code makes multiple mentions of a container-based Android sandbox. What sucks is that Microsoft discontinued WSA & that Google won't release a modern standard desktop-based Android layer because it is so "security-concious" (aka fragile) that they are worried about users abusing the APIs it exposes.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    So... How can I use this to run Android apps on Linux?

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  • [–] -1 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    we already had that, this is for the opposite use case.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    ... Run Linux apps on Android?

    Why would you want to do that? What advantage?

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    more specifically, it's for running x86 linux applications on android. and windows applications, i think.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Electron was already taken.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    The minute I saw the Steam Frame was arm based and running Linux, that means a Linux distro for arm processors should get a lot better. I'm hoping this implementation is some what backwards compatible so I can try to put it on a rooted phone.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    Please have the ability to run in old environments! I want to play shadowrun and chaos rings again!!!

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Why does the name and logo seem familiar...? I am getting vague memories of a brand for one of those toy "computers" that had educational material as the programs when I look at the little frog logo.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Because if you're around frogs you might get lept on? Genius.

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