I've noticed a lot more talk about Bazzite lately and I've been wanting to at least give it a try as a daily driver. I'm not us gaming though I do dev work and what have you. For people on Bazzite that also do that, how is it? easy to set up for that like say using Doom Emacs or what have you?
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I appreciate the work they are putting into this. I think we will see more linux adoption in the future as microsoft keeps doing all the things it has been with windows 11.
I'm so happy to see some big channels doing these Linux tests. I know it's probably way more difficult since there are thousands of distros to try!
You don't need to test every distro.
Honestly you could capture 90 percent of the market with just arch and Debian/Ubuntu.
You could add 2 or 3 of the gaming focused distros for comparison however since they tend to be built on top of the two above things are more likely going to vary based on configuration more than which distro or de you are using.
They don't test all the windows varieties either. 10, 11, 23h2, 25h2, home, pro, N, ...
Lets be real, Ubuntu/Arch is the way to go. Debian is just not present on gaming set ups, Arch is close to what Valve is doing and Ubuntu has like 69 downstream distros.
Before I say anything, I think Gamer's Nexus only testing with Bazzite makes a ton of sense. It would be silly to expect them to test with Windows S, N, Pro, LTSC, etc as well.
Lets be real, Ubuntu/Arch is the way to go.
The distinction between Ubuntu, Mint, and Debian are pretty minor as far as gaming goes. They are all considered the same family for a reason.
Debian is just not present on gaming set ups
Linux Mint (a Debian-based distro) and Ubuntu (also Debian-based) are extremely popular in gaming setups. In fact, the steam hardware survey has Mint 22.2, Ubuntu Core 22, Ubuntu 24, and Mint 22.1 as the second, third, fourth, and fifth most common Linux OSes.
While true, the issue is that Debian release cadence is such that they will always be "behind" kernel and wine wise.
Also they are more purist and less likely to facilitate proprietary bits. Last time I tried wine a lot of apps didn't work because they had no work to enable non-free fints So they may have the same general packaging strategy, but the vintage of content and scope are distinctly different from more aggressive distributions.
Ubuntu is in the same boat, 90% of its users are using the LTS version.
Arch isn't that good of a choice either simply because it's a DIY distro. It's not meant to be complete out of the box and may require tweaks and making choices that Gamers Nexus is explicitly trying to avoid.
With archinstall, I largely agree. However, you still need to make a lot of choices. Which kernel branch? Which filesystem? Enable swap? Which desktop environment? And other choices that I forget, it's been a few uses since I used Arch.
Gamers Nexus is very clear they want to avoid making decisions. They want to stick as close as possible to as possible, but that's tricker since Arch doesn't have defaults for those, unlike Bazzite. Bazzite uses the Fedora kernel (which follows the latest stable); btrfs; zswap; desktop environment they do provide a choice between KDE and Gnome, in which case is easier to choose KDE since it's what Valve is pushing.
I really like that now some Content Creators are working on providing useful information for Linux gamers. Especially information like bad Frame pacing or "unreasonable" bad performance for some certain games for certain hardware is a very important information to make a good decision when buying a card.
Me personally I am not very interested in the performance comparison between Linux and Windows. I choose Linux as my daily driver for specific reasons, and game performance was not a high priority. But knowing which Hardware might have strange performance problems compared to other Hardware if I wamt to game is always a very nice thing.
I liked that the Intel B580 was included in the charts. This gave me some usefull information for comparing it to a AMD 9060 XT. Only thing I am missing is if it is the 8GB or 16GB version of the Sapphire Pulse. But I did not check their Blog/Site post yet.
100% this. I've been on Linux longer than Steam has, and I'm not changing anytime soon. I'm probably also not going to buy Nvidia (I value FOSS drivers), but maybe I will if the performance gap is significant enough.
Me personally I am not very interested in the performance comparison between Linux and Windows.
Very fair, it's not really the reason I made the jump either. I would like to see that tackled at some point though, perhaps with some external recording setup to eliminate the apple/orange comparison issues between benchmarking tools.
I switched about a year ago, and was remarkably impressed to see performance gains or only minor decreases in everything I compared, when running my own benchmarks. I'd love to see that result more widely reported, and also academically to see it validated better than I can, across more hardware and games and with better methodology.
Even if not though, really glad to see Gamer's Nexus taking it seriously and giving us some of the same access to information as we would have comparing hardware for a Windows config. Definitely wishing them the best as they explore automation and even more tooling to make this better.
gaming has really been flawless, in my experience, the past year on proton.
I had a lot of issues playing games in the past, that were usually resolved with proton updates or switching to GE Proton.. but the past year? I've had zero issues playing anything. The past hear has been so smooth as to, honestly, make me forget I'm playing on linux from time to time.
The only real issue I have left is fooling around in single player games (Which i have beaten many times and just futzing around in to play with, and NOT in any way impacting any kind of online play.. hell, the games I'm futzing around in don't even have online components) with cheat engine/save editors/etc.. For some reason recently cheat engine/pince has stopped working, even on games i used to use it on, and cant seem to even find the game memory addresses anymore.. and trying to get windows based save editors and stuff installed has been kinda painful.. and certain mods, like for Cyberpunk, I've never gotten to work. Minor side issues most people wont ever run into. Which is why its understandably still difficult. get shit running like butter, than worry about edge cases and shit like this.
I forget as I wasn't looking for intel, but If it ran stuff, it was likely the 16GB, and if it was excluded often for not running higher resolutions it was probably the 8GB, as they did mention the lower ram cards had weird issues in some games and simply crashed on load.
Me looking at these benchmarks like I'm about to play anything other than FTL.
My gripe with this kind of game is that i quickly get a mod list of 300 and then it takes so much effort. Especially with Steam auto-updating the game, despite making accumulating mods so much easier.
Oh god, you've just given me a glimpse into my future. I'm currently plowing through Multiverse, and I'm tempted to add something else. Must... resist...
I'm on my 3rd all achievement run of Into the Breach. Subset is God tier.
I just threw it on the family laptop to give it another life. So far it’s great, and I would honestly suggest it as a regular user desktop system. My kids will be fine with it, so would my mom, and any of my non-tech-savvy friends.
Personally I probably won’t switch from my beloved LMDE, but I’m also a greybeard nerd who’s set in my ways.
i switched to linux mint permanently finally after support for 10 ended, and wished i had done so earlier. Even the problems i have had with linux have been more pleasant than what i have had with windows, even though they have been more disruptive. I guess knowing that I could probably fix them if i bother to look into it hard enough, while on windows there is good chance there is nothing i can do about it.
I switched to Linux a while back for gaming and I am happy with it. There were a couple initial issues getting the sound and screen colors configured correctly and I did lost a few frames, but it seems to be improving.
Still some games I can not get to work on Linux, such as Sacred 2 and some other older ones. Probably just a lack of knowledge on my part.
Still no US tax prep software that I trust for Linux, though.
such as Sacred 2
Where are you installing it?
Maybe this helps? https://www.protondb.com/app/225640#lTflZjszpq
What tax prep software do you use? I thought they had all gone to just webapps at this point ..
AMD is more stable in games where Proton/Native Linux builds have weird issues, sometimes leading to a 9070xt leading a 5080 (even beating a 5090 in like starfield but like, lol.) Raytracing still heavily prefers Nvidia.
Does not directly compare to windows benchmarks. Low V-ram causes failures. Some native versions for linux are actively worse than running windows through Proton Loading Shaders before launching game can take long (longer on Nvidia cards), and can be required very often.
Suggest watching the last 10m where they talk about these issues if you don't have time for the whole video.
Damn Wendell actually got me thinking of CachyOS with his shameless plugs 😁.
I would mostly do gaming but there are those occasional times where I just need some random functionality which I perhaps may miss with Bazzite.
I’ve been on Cachy forever, across two PCs.
It's fast. Its maintainers are great. It has everything, preconfigured sanely. It Just Works.
…I don’t see myself switching distros ever again. I can’t think of a reason to, nor anything I’d want from others.
I enjoyed cachy os when I tested it out. I'd like to see how it compares to Bazzite tho. I thought I tried an immutable is years back and it annoyed the hell out of me but I can't remember.
I'm of a few minds on this.
First and foremost: I am a huge Gamers Nexus fan and think Steve et al are a great complement to Wendell when it comes to the decade of Year Of The Linux Desktop. And I love that they actually addressed the elephant in the room where... quite often you actively don't want to use the linux binaries for a game.
But I do think that having Linux as the second class benchmarks are inherently going to cause problems. Assuming they stick to doing a batch every couple months, that... okay, ain't nobody actually buying hardware unless they have to. But still. And this was apparently collected during one of the months where nVidia was a complete shitshow. But Dragon's Dogma 2 completely breaking is the kind of thing where... look, I became WAY too aware of exactly how denuvo registers a machine while I was debugging that. I was able to get DD2 to run beautifully on my PC but... as a HUGE DD1 fan even I think I wasted my life doing that (would do it again though).
But I keep thinking of how many Influencers have done a variant of "tech isn't fun anymore". And... it kind of isn't. But from the editorializing from Steve et al over the past year or so, it is clear they are excited that things are actually changing sometimes week to week and so many of these problems are ACTUALLY solvable by users. Sometimes it is trivial (check protondb for what settings) and sometimes you find yourself going down a rabbit hole of just how bad the Nioh 2 PC port actually was.
I suspect this ends with the vast majority of outlets embracing "XBOX For PC" in a year or two... and Steve looking even more like the crazy old man of PC reviews. But I do think this will go a long way towards helping the fence sitters get away from MS.
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