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[–] 183 points 11 months ago (17 children)

She’s looking at the next election.

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  • [–] 31 points 11 months ago (10 children)
  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Senate. She wants a Senate seat, and Trump wouldn't endorse her due to the fact she's been constantly wanting to release the Epstein files.

    Granted, I don't think she believed that Trump was in the files, until he went ape shit about it.

    She worshiped Trump, and still holds all the ridiculous and evil beliefs from before, but now her god has betrayed her.

    And I say good.

    Trump is likely going down, with or without her, so I say without.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    I just saw a quote from Michelle Obama, along the lines of the US isn't ready for a woman president. MO might be correct, so yeah let's have MTG run for pres. to dilute the GOP votes.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I just saw a quote from Michelle Obama, along the lines of the US isn't ready for a woman president

    Probably just making excuses for why the awful candidate her husband helped force onto the ballot failed at the most winnable presidential election since the two previous ones.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    It's looking more realistic. Twice now American voters have picked the absolute worse person imaginable over a woman.

    The first time we can excuse with ignorance, but the second time around there was no excuse. We knew what he did the first round and he's doing it again for a second.

    The only logical explanation I can find is there is a subsection of the population unwilling to vote for a woman.

    Obviously yes each campaign had it's issue we can go into, but when you look at the opposition it's hard to find the logic

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Twice now American voters have picked the absolute worse person imaginable over a woman an awful candidate who refuses to consider the wants and needs of the base and happened to be a woman.

    Fixed it for you. While I'd never go to such ridiculous lengths as to say that sexism isn't a serious systemic problem, that's not why Hillary and Kamala lost.

    It wasn't that people aren't ready for a female president. It was that the vast majority of people to the left of fascism are more than ready for a president that listens to them more than to owner donors, strategists stuck in 1992, and other unrepresentative power brokers

    The only logical explanation I can find is there is a subsection of the population unwilling to vote for a woman "Centrist"

    Fixed it for you again.

    Nobody except the aforementioned owner donors, strategists stuck in 1992, and other unrepresentative power brokers want "Republican mild" candidates with no substance except an almost religioud reverence for the broken system that has enabled them to fail upwards for decades.

    Obviously yes each campaign had it's issue we can go into

    Understatement of the decade.

    when you look at the opposition it's hard to find the logic

    Not really no. When you consider the following, it makes a sick sort of sense:

    1. Republicans are many times more effective at messaging. This is mainly because they're much less likely to be constrained by such details as objective reality, ethics, and authenticity, but their propaganda is nonetheless MUCH more effective than the thrice-measured sound bytes of the Dem leadership.

    2. In the vast majority of states, it's MUCH more difficult and time consuming to vote in the kinds of neighborhoods that skew more Blue and diverse than Red and filthy rich.

    During covid, the number of absentee ballot dropoff points in the most populous county in Texas (Harris, almost 5 million) was decreased to ONE, all the while country clubs of a hundred members still had their own official polling station and even impoverished Red areas are typically rural so there's not many people per polling station

    1. The combination of 1, 2, and other election tampering means that it takes a LOT more to get the entire Dem base to vote than for the Fascist Party base.

    As a result of this, Dems NEED a candidate that's inspiring enough that even the most jaded will go way above and beyond the amount of effort it SHOULD take in order to vote for them.

    Neither Hillary nor Kamala was anywhere close to being that candidate and they wouldn't have been if they were men either.

    And before you go "but the man Biden won! Checkmate!", I'd like to remind you that he actually won the popular vote by a smaller margin than Hillary did, and that he did so during an active pandemic that the incumbent fascist had been failing to manage so spectacularly that anything other than a landslide victory would be extremely worrying for the future of the Dem party.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    I love the argument that the Dems must run the ideal canidate to beat an 80 year old fascist. That the reason Americans picked hate isn't because they could possibly be prejudiced against women, but that they just don't like centrists and need to be more inspired to do anything.

    I think the answer is plainly far too many Americans are too hateful.

    Also love the "no you can't use the example of the male centrist winning because that would make my point bad", solid argument

    Now credit where credit is due I do think a progressive canidate would have had a much better chance. I just also believe there are too many old, sexist, hateful Americans that will never vote for a woman. Hopefully they die out and that changes

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  • [–] 0 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I love the argument that the Dems must run the ideal canidate

    You may, but that's not the argument I made. Please refrain from strawmen and other logical fallacies if you can.

    That the reason Americans picked hate isn't because they could possibly be prejudiced against women, but that they just don't like centrists and need to be more inspired to do anything.

    Again with the strawmen. Misrepresenting my argument isn't a good way to bolster your own.

    I think the answer is plainly far too many Americans are too hateful

    Sure, you'd think that if you willfully ignore all of the contributing factors I and others have ever mentioned beyond "fascists are just voluntarily bad for no reason other than being bad" 🙄

    Also love the "no you can't use the example of the male centrist winning because that would make my point bad"

    Again with the strawman. The male Centrist BARELY scraping by against the most hated incumbent in history SUPPORTS my argument.

    You either have the reading comprehension of a toddler or the capacity for arguing in good faith of a Republican politician, so I'm not gonna waste any more time on your willfully obtuse ass. Have the day you deserve

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    You may, but that's not the argument I made

    I mean it is, but okay

    "fascists are just voluntarily bad for no reason other than being bad"

    So you want to explain the reasons to be a good fascist?

    You either have the reading comprehension of a toddler

    So you find "strawmen" (none were used btw) too offensive and disingenuous but you find the need to resort to an ad hominem.

    I'm not gonna waste any more time on your willfully obtuse ass.

    Uh oh another ad hominem. This must be very upsetting!

    Have the day you deserve

    Don't you worry I'm already on it. It's a rainy day with some chance of snow and I get to enjoy being about 4,000 miles away from the orange fascist. Don't worry I'll get a mail in ballot or vote early for midterms if the fascists don't dismantle our democracy by then. Otherwise I'll enjoy being an ocean away for the next couple of years

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  • [+] 17 points 11 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    I think enough of the MAGA base is incapable of voting for a woman that she starts in a pretty deep hole even within her party. I don’t see her getting the nomination, and if she does I see her struggling to inspire turnout in the general. Sexism impacted both Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris, and will be even harder for a GOP candidate to overcome.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If that is what you think, you are 40years and 2 steps behind. Misogynistic rhetoric hasn't been en vogue since the 80's, and if you think Hillary or Kamala lost only because they were women, you really don't have anything useful to say and instead are leaning on the trope of "common wisdom."

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    There’s literally a movement within MAGA to repeal the right of women to vote. Yes, I absolutely believe that the misogyny is present in today’s GOP. Further, multiple polls and other research studies have found that a significant number of voters in the US does not support the idea of a woman for president. Here are a few references:

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1532673X251369844

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4782780-americansready-female-president-dipping-survey/

    Anecdotally, Michelle Obama recently observed the same thing: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5607777-michelle-obama-us-not-ready-woman-president/

    And if you combine her observation with the GOP views on women as president reflected in this pew research poll (notably “Republicans (86%) are twice as likely as Democrats (43%) to say it is not at all or not too important if they ever see a woman elected U.S. president”), I think there’s ample reason to believe that a Republican candidate for president would struggle to gain support from a statistically relevant group of voters.

    And no, I do not think that Clinton And Harris lost only because they’re women. I did not say that at. Evidence suggests that misogyny was one of many factors, though.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    Sexism impacted both Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris, and will be even harder for a GOP candidate to overcome.

    What with the hypocrisy and shifting goalposts for MAGA/GOP types, a female Trump 2.0 would seem quite plausible to my eyes. These types don't care for conserving anything in particular nor for standing up afor any fixed set of values. They are, quite literally going along with the flow.

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  • [–] 108 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    She was okay less than 6 months ago, of her voters getting tased at a town hall, and was laughing at them. She is evil and playing a game right now.

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  • [–] 82 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    “The most hurtful thing (Trump) said, which is absolutely untrue, is he called me a traitor, and that is so extremely wrong,” Greene said, “and those are the types of words used that can radicalize people against me and put my life in danger.”

    Congrats, you helped create the toxic cesspool that is modern politics. Go fuck yourself, cunt, you don't get pass now that it's affecting you personally.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago*

    The quote immediately made me think of the video of MTG screaming into the letter slot thing in the door of AOC office demanding she come out and talk to her. This was before MTG was elected and I think in the video she is like eye level with the letter slot screaming like a serial killer in a movie. So yeah idk I'm glad she changing or pretending to change but damn lady do you remember the things you've done?

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  • [–] 142 points 11 months ago* (8 children)

    Humbly, go fuck yourself.

    Reflection and repentance is important, but it doesn’t immediately absolve you of all the shit you did to get to this point, and those you hurt and stepped on to get there.

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  • [+] 7 points 11 months ago* (7 children)
  • [–] -2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    if you havent been paying attention closely enough to notice that american voters do not want a woman in the white house im not sure what to tell you

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I hear this take all the time and frankly I think it's lazy and rooted in the same misogyny that you claim lost both Hilary and Kamala the presidency. 48% of American voters turned out for both Clinton and Harris compared to the 51% turnout for Biden.

    Of the three, Biden was the only one who ran during a Republican administration and he had the additional advantage of running against Trump's catastrophic handling of the 2020 COVID pandemic and despite all that he only took an extra 3% of the vote over Clinton and Harris.

    On the flip side, both Clinton and Harris ran on maintaining the deeply unpopular status quo under their own party's administration and attempting to appeal to the center-right whilst alienating their own base and taking their vote for granted. Despite that, 48% of American voters still turned out for them and they lost to Trump's 46% in 2016 and <50% in 2024, a less than 2% margin in both cases.

    To reduce that nuance to, "they lost because they're women" completely ignores the fact that they ran flawed campaigns in a time of deep dissatisfaction with the status quo that they ran in support of all so you can pin their failure on their gender and perpetuate the idea that women can't be elected to be president, something that at least 75 million American voters disagree with.

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  • [+] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 69 points 11 months ago

    Follow it up with legislation that helps people, challenge impossible.

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  • [–] 55 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    My most charitable thinking about this is that she s always just playing to win. The way she acted was just that, an act. She did it because she knew it appealed to a particular segment of society that could get her elected. Now there is a sea change she is smart enough to know MAGA is doomed and she had jumped ship early because she thinks it will be more politically advantageous in the long run.

    She may be genuinely remorseful if she is good for her, but it doesn't erase the things she had voted for, against, and the things she said that harmed people or incited violence deliberately or accidentally.

    That said, she is somewhat uniquely positioned to assist in the deprogramming of MAGA members so, though I don't trust her, the things she is doing and saying today are leading people away from Trump, and that is the most vital mission right now.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    Yeah, the apologies are the first step, if she follows through and changes we can decide wgat to do. But as it stands stepping back will at the very least reduce the heat she gets because she only gets it because she's actively been picking fights

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    Yeah, the apologies are the first step, if she follows through and changes we can decide wgat to do.

    she should never be given benefit of the doubt just because she "apologized". her past conduct should not be forgotten, ever, no matter how strategically advantageous it might be for you at the moment. the end does not justify the means.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    The means are an attempt at my belief in rehabilitation and forgiveness when possible. Her past conduct is reprehensible, and also I don't believe we should be saying that it's not worth bothering trying to change.

    I'm unlikely to ever like her, but fucking hell I'm sick and tired of this pervasive idea that people can never change for the better and even if they do they're still evil. It's carceral bullshit.

    She hasn't demonstrated change yet, just announced her intentions, whether true or not. It's worth keeping an eye out and seeing if she actually does change. I'm never going to forget who she has been for the past several years, but just as I believe a murderer should be given the opportunity to become a better person I'll give her the room to do the same or not. It's not like I have any power over her whatsoever.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago*

    Her apology and future actions should be considered if she’s ever found guilty and put before a court for sentencing.

    Messing up while running for political position should result in a permanent return to private life. There’s a limited number of seats and millions of people who can fill them.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    If you give people no credit for admitting they were wrong or give them no chance to atone, then you give them no reason to do it and they will continue down the path they are on. To me it is preferable that she stops being toxic vs her continuing if those are the two choices.

    I am not saying she should be forgiven, but if she is genuine, and that remains to be seen (she has a lot of work to do to prove that), then continuing to punish or otherwise vilify her, sends her the message that she's damned is she does and she's damned if she doesn't so why not continue being toxic. Why should she try to be better?

    If she continues to atone and does some very positive things in future (again doubtful) there should at least be some consideration given that she may have changed.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    If you give people no credit for admitting they were wrong or give them no chance to atone, then you give them no reason to do it and they will continue down the path they are on. To me it is preferable that she stops being toxic vs her continuing if those are the two choices.

    i understand this argument, but if you enter politics by being willing to burn the society to the ground for your personal profit, that shouldn't be easy to wave away. at least you shouldn't be able to keep the profit from doing so.

    imagine i steel your wallet and then say "oh, i regret that, but i have changed and i am a better person now, so please like me. also i'd like to keep that wallet." that would be clearly absurd, and she is in similar position.

    let her go work for the ngo and help poor people, after doing so for as long as she was evil, i may be willing to admit she really changed.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    She isn't deprogramming shit. She is leading people away from Trump and toward her because she suspects Trump will be dead soon and she wants to take his place. She "loves Trump" (her words from the view interview). You'd have to be dumber then a liberal to take her at her word.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    I didn't actually say she was deprogramming anyone, just that she is in a position where she could.

    That said, the fact that she is speaking out against him has unquestionably lead other people to doubt him.

    Whether she is trying to take his place is not a point I tried to address directly, but I do believe she is behaving this way because she sees it as a way to further her own political career.

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  • [–] 45 points 11 months ago

    Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene said Sunday she will stop using “toxic” rhetoric, marking what would be a dramatic shift in a political brand...

    Wow they didn't waste any time dragging her, I love it. 😄

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  • [–] 40 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    She’s on the oversight committee and has seen the unredacted Epstein files. She’s in survival mode and that means distancing from orange Shittler right now. Nothing more.

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  • [–] 38 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    “I would like to say, humbly, I’m sorry for taking part in the toxic politics; it’s very bad for our country,” Greene said. “It’s been something I’ve thought about a lot, especially since Charlie Kirk was assassinated.”

    Huh, I didn't consider that might be a reason for her "change of heart." Was the first time she started saying things that made sense after he was shot?

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    It's not a change of heart on white christian nationalist policymaking, so her rhetoric means fuck all.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, that's why it's in quotes.

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  • [–] 73 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Take down Trump as a show of good faith.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Of course this is not a MAGA realizing they are a shitty person. It's just self interest to not get assassinated by some lunatic:

    and those are the types of words used that can radicalize people against me and put my life in danger [...] It’s been something I’ve thought about a lot, especially since Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Suggesting that her risk is going to drop by dropping soothing words for the lefty radicals falls to acknowledge the danger from righty radicals. Having the Cheeto pasting a target on her back means that such words will merely inflame the right even more.

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  • [–] 36 points 11 months ago

    Deeds, not words.

    I'll believe this shit when I see it, which will probably be never.

    I'm too old to be fooled by these MAGA morons and their crocodile tears.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago

    /doubt

    But if she does change and becomes a good person, I will accept her as a fellow human being. Until I see change, she is a big troll with spork toes.

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  • [–] 33 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    Its interesting how many conservatives expect to be completely forgiven after helping enable a nazi regime for years.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    We shouldn't forgive them.

    They need to know that their only hope for acceptance is within their own ranks.

    Make an example out of MTG so any republican who wants to admit they're wrong never does so.

    We are smart.

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    [–] 30 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    Seriously.

    I feel like i'm about to be put in a padded room. What the fuck is happening to my reality. what kind of weirdo alternate reality have I woken up to, where MTG of all people is being sane and rational... and has been that way for at least a month or three now.

    Do I go outside and start flinging my hands at neighbors and screaming fireball, in the hopes this weird new world I have apparently found myself in has magic?

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    Would be dope if she actually turns over a new leaf. Im not willing to bet anything on it, but I'm willing to engage in a bit of cautious optimism and see if she lives by those words over the next few years

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago

    Cool. Honestly and unironically, I hope so, whatever her reasons. Now go prove it.

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    Adding "and a christian" makes the rest of that sign redundant.

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  • [+] -6 points 11 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    She still believes and supports insane shit.

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  • [–] 22 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    She can apologize all she wants, but actions speak louder than words. Until she starts taking action to prove she's sorry, nothing has actually changed.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Nah.

    This bitch doesn't get to do that.

    If she starts voting with Democrats every single time, I might consider forgiveness.

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago

    She isn't looking for your vote, she's looking for my parent's vote and I'm guessing my mom is already campaigning for her. The midwest thinks things have gotten too nasty. I'll ignore the irony of that being what they voted for time and again, but a softer (yet sterner America First) leader, well that's in tune.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Heel turn for MTG to position herself as the next leader of the populist MAGA cult when Trump dies. She sucks in all the same ways, and there is no reason for anyone smarter then a liberal grant her any grace.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Idk I think its fair to say she knows she got elected in the first place for being such an outspoken toxic person. There is a real chance that the people that actually elected her will turn against her if she chooses a different path. Even if she turns a new leaf, the odds of her constituents doing the same, rather than continue blindly following the cult of hate, is not very high

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Rats know which way to run on a sinking ship.

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  • [+] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)
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    My worry now is that the American working class hasn't learned how powerful it could be, and liberal capitalism will reassert itself with slightly more social safety net. At the very least, we should end up with European style social democracy, and even that seems like a low bar.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    Can't say I'll ever begrudge anyone for not buying into this. Person like this, she's a symptom and a carrier. Spreading hate, fear, and ignorance.

    Her type though is True Believer, and Trust No One. A conspiracy theorist with minimal real education and no faith in systems or the Authority in a Field. She wants so bad to be the good guy, but has failed to identify the structural problems. It has to be people, it has to be demons, it has to be the Joos. She's just hitting out now that the real bad guys have self-identified.

    When she starts seeing the problems in the system that led to the ascendency of the bad guys then I'll be more interested in her face turn. Right now she's still too people focused to trust she won't just revert or find someone new to fawn over.

    I wish her luck on this journey.

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    [–] 37 points 11 months ago

    She's positioning herself for running as Vance's VP in 2028. That's it.

    She hasn't had a change of heart, she doesn't warrant us "giving her a chance," she's not "okay for a republican."

    NOTHING has changed.

    She's an unapologetic white supremacists who is happily employed by the billionaire class.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    She'll never have my vote for any number of reasons, but to see anyone as deep in the maga cult as her demonstrate any amount of growth... even if she falls back into old patterns at some point... it says something hopeful about steering this ship away from our current course if even she can gain the self awareness and humility to regret participating in these vitriolic forms of politics. Maybe, then, our parents and neighbors can see enough of the light to realize what this is bringing about, where we're headed, and have the humility to admit that they need to stop and to do better. It's only the smallest glimmer of hope, but it's more than my increasingly cynical ass has had in a minute. Keep working on yourself Marge, but glad to see the baby steps being taken.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago

    Bullshit. I will believe it when I see it.

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    Oh fuck off. The hateful bigot senses an opportunity to split off for her own benefit, nothing more.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    Remember when MTG screamed at an 18 year old David Hogg that he was funded by George Soros? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Oh she's off the coke. Good for her

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    Bullshit. She's a Republican, and lies easier than breathing. Believe NOTHING she says.

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    While I have my strong doubts and nothing will erase the harm of what's he's done already, I think we should encourage anyone that says something like this, especially if they are in a position of power. Sincerely hope shes able to make these words reality.

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