Op thinks we can afford a house by 30 if we go to college.

Going to college doesnt allow you to buy a house at 30 either lol

I went to college, I'm way over 30. Buying a house is a vague dream.

You kidding me dude? I'm past 40 and not chance to own a house. Grad and masters degree, working in IT. Ah and uni was good and free. granted that was in the developing world, now living in 1st world, but still no house.

When I was 7 my parents owned a house AND bought a beach house.

I got an MS in a STEM field and wasn't able to buy a house until I was 36, supervising multiple employees, and married to someone who also contributed.

Where they give you houses for going to college? Did I missed a promotion?

What makes you think people with degrees can afford a house by 30?

if you go to college you can't even afford to pay for it by 30.

You don't need to. All you really need is to go for a walk in your desired neighbourhood, find a house you love, knock on the door and introduce yourself. Ask any questions you have about the property, then kill the occupants, flay them and wear their skin as your own as you lead your new charmed life, for as long as you can.

Exactly! Learn a good profession like electrician, woodworker, furniture making… any kind of profession where you can create beautiful products and services customers love.

38 with a masters degree. No house in sight. Good luck. Remember, there is always [redacted].

You don't. None of my highly educated friends own a house while the ones working in trades do.

Im glad i bought my home 20 years ago..... no way i could afford a 3-2 at todays going rate.

I blame all the house flipping shows. Made everyone think they could buy a house, paint it, then resell for 100k more.

Who pays off a house by the time they are 30?

Depending on the field, going to college might not significantly improve your chances.

There was once a time when people educated themselves not because they wanted a particular job in the economy, but because they saw value in education and wanted to participate in the human tradition of advancing the specie’s ability to understand and use nature. You didn’t need school to be a blacksmith, for example, but perhaps just an apprenticeship (experience).

There’s a point to be made here, about how this degrades the value of education. It’s great for capitalism, making survival—or “living well”—contingent on qualifications derived from paid education. But what have we lost in this process? It feels, to me at least, like we’ve created a culture where education is a mere lineitem on a checklist. How might that change what education is, what it’s expected to be, and what sort of innovation comes from it?

We should go to college for free if we choose to and also be able to afford a house regardless of our employment type I agree.

Reasons for going to college....

Our president sucks balls in every way possible and you would like to be president and do good via the knowledge gained.

You would like to design spacecraft.

You would like to give others brain surgeries with successful outcomes.

Your bus in never on time and you would like to fix that or have a say in the reasons why a bus might be late.

You like cheese and would like to discover new types of cheese via biology and chemistry. Oh shit, you accidentally invented antigravity, there goes your cheese.

Land owning isn't meant to be for serfs lol.

I had a friend from Germany who mentioned once that owning property there is very rare for most people unless they're from very old conservative generational wealth. He said that houses and property often end up passed down in the same families over and over. He was well educated and happy with his career, but he never had any kind of expectation he would get to own property at some point in his life.

Not sure where you're from, but it kind of feels like the U.S. is becoming more and more like that. Except, we also don't get healthcare, and to even get the privilege of an education people are increasingly having to take on a level of debt that one would expect to take on as an investment in property even though there is no guarantee your investment will pay off. It's concerning though, that when this is pointed out to people, it's often cited as a reason you just shouldn't bother with college.

Owning private property is becoming more and more a privilege reserved for only the elite, not an expectation or "entitlement." Ok, well that kind of sucks, but I guess you don't have to own property to have a decent life.

But, then it's clear we're supposed to accept that healthcare is somehow also becoming a privilege reserved for the elite and not an expectation or "entitlement?"

And, we're hearing conservatives, often from backgrounds of generational wealth, talk more and more about abolishing the department of education. So, that means that soon we could be expected to view education of any kind (not just college) as something we're not "entitled" to.

It's also clear that many of the people creating these policies, and encouraging other people not to waste their time on worthless college degrees, were born into lives where our "entitlements" are simply their default expectations.

However, when they address their voters, it's always the "entitled" and the "educated elites," who are somehow responsible for their hardships, the overall decline in their quality of life, and the lack of opportunities and resources that have gradually become the default expectation for most Americans.

The "entitled" takers who want to be handed what can only be obtained through hard work and sacrifice that will pay off as long as you really try. And if it doesn't, you shouldn't start asking questions of "why," like those educated elites, you should just accept that you must have done something, that those who have what you don't, would have done differently, in order to rise to the top.

I'm smart enough to know that the reason I don't own property and probably never will, isn't because I haven't tightened my belt enough, or pulled myself up by my bootstraps, or because of my worthless college degree that has brainwashed me into believing I'm entitled to something I'm not.

Neither of my parents went to college, yet they were always told the same bullshit when they asked too many questions about why the game always felt so rigged no matter how hard you tried.

Since you said "house" I'm going to push back a little bit. Housing is unaffordable and we should address it but single-family homes are not a feasible solution for a lot of places and situations.

you used to be able to afford a house on a single minimum wage job

Yeah.

Honestly, I'm just avoiding having kids and hope we don't start killing each other for food and water by the time I die.

This is why we need tiny houses, trailer homes, etc! We also need to get rid of these real estate corporations that are manipulating the prices of everything we need to live with, especially housing!!! :-(

I didn't go to college and I bought a house at 30

You shouldn't have to work to be able to live, period.

Should go to trade school instead.

The only people I know with houses are the ones with rich parents and it doesn’t matter if they went to college or not.

we shouldnt have to afford a house

You dont have to go to college to afford a house by 30.

I think this post should be home that you own. I'm going to say something controversial in that, in the US, I actually think houses should be expensive. I think a single family dwelling >1500sqft on a half acre or more of land is a luxury, and most people don't need to have that much land and space all to themselves. The problem is that that's ALL that's available for most regions in the US. The US is suffering from foolish post-war suburban centric zoning codes that prohibit building medium density housing ("the missing middle"). We need to change zoning codes across the country to encourage building up "gentle density" and mixed use areas, even in rural regions, because they use land and infrastructure much more effectively and efficiently. They raise more revenue for towns while bringing down home prices. If everyone had the option to buy a place of their own <1000sqft with a small land footprint, I don't think there would be as much dissatisfaction with not being able to afford a "house".

I had a house before 30. It was okay I guess. Sold due to divorce, now I rent again. I'd love to own another house but not the glorified trailer I had before