Seems Johnson knows this. Both him and Trump will keep this shutdown going to stop the forced release of these files it seems. Don't know what kind of plan they're cooking up though.

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[–] 247 points 1 year ago (34 children)

It was obvious this was the case when they fought so hard to prevent the release. They continued with it even when it's clear that the actions they're taking to keep it hidden it's damaging for them.

My bet is that there's video evidence of Trump raping a minor, or maybe a recording of him admitting it. I don't know what else could be more damning than that.

At this rate they're gonna keep this up until Trump dies.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I think there’s evidence that they were more than just bffs.

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  • [–] 97 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I think there’s evidence that they were business partners in the trafficking operation. Trump owned children beauty pageants, he had girl servants at one of his resorts, reports of some of those girls winding up with Epstein… I bet there are financial transactions proving it.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yep, this is the big story in it I think as well. Sen. Ron Wyden has been investigating the Epstein financial ties and has uncovered billions in suspect wire transfers that several big banks bent the rules on for him.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Not to mention the deep ties all of this has with Mossad, the British royalty through Prince Andrew, the Clintons, Bill Gates (look how he has flipped his script lately)….. all the clearly documented high profile people involved, we have heard little snippets about their unusual sexual behavior but never the full Monty. I think it’s Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein levels of the looking the other way and covering things up for years. But this time it’s the leaders of nations and industry caught with their pants down.

    If I was a CIA/mossad agent looking to have leverage on leaders, I would throw lavish parties. Invite everyone important. Keep it straight up at first, then ease into giving small hints about the availability of party favors and women and see who bites. Trap them in unfavorable situations and use that to coerce. Pretty straight forward. If it’s damning enough, you own them.

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump wasn't just a customer. He was Epstein's partner and Mar-a-Lago was a hub for international sex trafficking, including child sex trafficking.

    They're not the Epstein files. They're the Trump files.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    This is my thought as well. He has to be in there to such an extent that if they removed all mention of him, what was left would fit on a fucking post it. Otherwise they would have tried to release it with a few pages "lost" and blamed Biden.

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  • [–] 100 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    I don't know what else could be more damning than that.

    Like their podcast "heroes", I'm just asking questions here, but:

    What if Trump didn't just rape kids? He had beauty pageants where he admitted to walking in on naked teenagers to "inspect" them. He walked around "interviewing" contestants, asking them about their lives. He himself specifically chose a decent percentage of the finalists - and by claiming those spots for certain chosen people, significantly reduced the chances for other contestants. And there were not only the contestants, but a bunch of wannabe contestant-types on the fringes. And a lot of those contests were held overseas.

    So, just asking questions here, but: what if Donald Trump wasn't just raping kids? What if he was actively involved in recruiting and trafficking them?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    This was my thought as well. A lot of what has come to light feels like he may have been more than a customer for Epstein and possibly a supplier via his businesses and Russian criminal contacts

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Perhaps Trump is also a cannibal; who knows, maybe... the man doesn't seem to have any morals at all.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I don't know what else could be more damning than that.

    Active participation in not just the rape but the trafficking operation, the big reveal being that he actually solicited these "services" to tons of so far unnamed people?

    Remember this isn't just about Trump. He's protecting those padding his pockets and pulling his strings.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don’t forget killing. Maybe they pushed an underage girl out of a jet at altitude. Wouldn’t be off brand.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not easy or safe to the passengers on the plane. It also doesn't disappear the body.

    Overall this seems like the least likely thing that could have happened.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I do sometimes wonder about some people's fantasies about planes. It would have been much simpler to kill someone on the island and use the gigantic amount of water to hide evidence. Simply putting a body in a 'shark cage' would be enough to have everything but the bones disappear, pushing it out to sea would almost certainly have it never be found, hell, simply doing with it whatever you do with the rest of your trash would probably work... like, when you own an island, the amount of ways you have to hide things is insane.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Nah. He wasn't wrong when he said his followers wouldn't give a damn if he shot a man in the middle of Fifth Ave.

    The only thing MAGA actually seems to genuinely care for - aside from their constant need to feed their rage and despicable beliefs like racism - is being against paedophilia. They might not care enough about kids to actually offer their tax money to ensure all of them gets to eat, gets proper education, but at the very least a majority of them doesn't want powerful men to rape them. Which, I guess, is a small win?

    Therefore anything that is truly damaging to Trump will be kid-diddling related.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How is that more dancing then what he has already said. Walking in on miss green US change rooms grabbing them by the pussy. He has literally admitted to sexual assaulting the contestants and nobody cares. Just like when/if these files come out nobody well care.

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  • [–] 85 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    They just announced that they are thinking about cutting air traffic controllers in the run up to Thanksgiving.

    I hope that when the dam breaks it washes away the entire GOP

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This would make my year if this happens. I keep hoping this happens, but every time… it doesn’t. They just keep moving the bar on what is acceptable for a president to do. By trumps standards, Epstein himself could have been president.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Two things.

    First, I know a lot of people here hate Schumer and the DNS, but they timed this shutdown to perfection. Just before the elections and Thanksgiving. Credit where credit is due.

    Second, yeah, I've been waiting for the GOP to go to war with itself since 2015. I remember telling an activist freind of mine that Trump was going for the nomination and she told me that she didn't want to ever have to think about Donald trump, ever.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I hope that when the dam breaks it washes away the entire GOP

    If you look at the Labour Party in the UK, they walked in with comically oversized majorities last year. Then they proceeded to govern exactly like their Conservative predecessors - with no few MPs gleaned from the ranks of fleeing conservatives - such that Reform UK is now ready to pick up the Prime Ministership in the next election cycle.

    The problem with the modern American conservative movement is that its not confined to the GOP. It is a consequence of the donor base. And the donors continue to be enthusiastically bipartisan.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Mamdani has entered the chat...

    No billionaires funding him...yet.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    He's an edge case. And - don't get me wrong - if this is a self-reproducing model for future campaigns, awesome!

    But Mamdani himself is exceptionally charismatic with good politics to back him up. I wouldn't even say guys like him don't exist, they just tend to prefer climbing the escalator of retail politics to the greased pole of democratic socialism.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    One of the funny things about New York politics is that Mamdani's predecessors called for similar things [Billionaire Bloomberg supported congestion pricing and tried to bring fresh produce to food deserts]

    Hell, NYC's most popular Mayor ran on a "Fusion Ticket" with the Communists. Socialists, and the Republicans.

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    Even if the files contain irrefutable proof that Trump trafficked and raped children with Epstein, Johnson and the GOP know that his base will either dismiss it as 'fake news', AI or otherwise convince themselves that Trump raped kids because the Democrats used their mind control ray to set him up.

    I suspect the real reason they want to keep it under wraps is to protect their billionaire donors who will be named in the files.

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    [–] 45 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Who would've thought our sitting president being a pedophile and best friends with one of the most notorious human traffickers in history would be such a problem? /s

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    How many people have access to the files right now? Not a single one is doing the right thing. Complicit. If I happened across those files, they would have to murder me to stop them leaking. The level of apathy genuinely makes me wonder if it's wickedness or some sort of actual brain damage from some chemical or virus we haven't found yet.

    Fuck

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago

    Did you not notice the part where Epstein committed suicide, Giuffre was hit by a bus, survived, and then committed suicide, and Maxwell was paid a closed-door visit by Trump's personal fixer?

    They have and will continue to kill to keep these secrets.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If they're leaked and not officially released, then Trump denying their authenticity (a given) will convince more idiot centrists.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The cynic in my thinks those files will do nothing. Short of photos of him raping children (and even then I'm not sure) he's not losing any Republican votes.

    They could claim a mistake the first time... But they voted for that vile piece of shit a second time fully aware of what a disgusting piece of crap he is.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is guy who allegedly made prostitutes pee on the bed the Obamas slept in. It's easier to guess what compromising thing he didn't do.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    As the airports begin to buckle they're going to fold on the shutdown very soon.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    At the holidays no less. And today my city had a 2-mile long traffic jam leading to the food bank. This is definitely going sideways quickly.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I better use some Tic Tacs just in case I start kissing her. You know I'm automatically attracted to beautiful—I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything.

    President of the United States

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It’s wild that our grandkids are gonna read that in a history textbook

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago

    I mean, they're hosting a historical shutdown specifically to prevent their release. We already knew they were damning.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES PEDONALD

    I wouldn't doubt it if he diddled little boys too. Or at least laughed when his close friends did. Disgusting fucking cancer...

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    The files they don’t have that don’t exist that don’t incriminate anyone on a list that is not real that is a hoax is worse than they ever imagined.

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  • [–] 124 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    This is the Panama papers all over again. Another way of proving everyone in power is corrupt and we'll do fuck all about it.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    I think this is a little different because I believe in unreleased form this is more of a monkey on the Trump fandom's back. Had they just been released at the start, there would have been massive coverage for a week, but MAGA would believe that Trump's different by being open and transparent about it, and Democrats are just whining and people would forget about it much like the Papers. Whereas this way, it's clear the Republican swamp has something it REALLY doesn't want to reveal, to the point they'd be willing to starve the country and hold the entire government hostage over releasing them.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    We already know Trump is a rapist who likes underage girls. That has been proven without a doubt on multiple occasions. What does hanging out with another guy who does so change, especially since that's another thing we've already known for years?

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The E Jean Carroll case proves he is a rapist.

    On 2023.07.19, the judge specifically ruled that Trump raped E Jean Carroll. Period.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah that he’s a rapist is a matter of record. That he was adjudicated as such after the statute of limitations ran out is why he’s not a listed sex offender.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Saying Trump is a rapist is a bonfifed fact. It's very hard to convict anyone of rape, and yet the fucker was found guilty.

    Anyone who says Trump isn't one, is one of his cult members or wants to be one like him.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    To be clear, he wasn’t found guilty because it wasn’t a criminal trial. The judge ruled, on the balance of probabilities that it was more likely that he raped Carroll than he didn’t. That’s a different bar than for criminal trials which require that it is beyond a reasonable doubt that he raped Carroll.

    Now my personal opinion is that he absolutely raped her beyond a reasonable doubt, and that he has definitely raped others on numerous occasions, but sadly those aren’t legal facts as he hasn’t been found guilty of them by a criminal trial jury or judge.

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  • This isnt quite right.

    He didn't rule the probabilities. The judge specifically stated that under the letter of the law, Donald Trump raped E. Jean Carroll. However, you are correct that the judge was presiding over a civil case for defamation and not a criminal case of rape, and therefore Trump has not been found guilty of the criminal act of rape in a court of law. That doesn't change the fact that he did, in fact, rape her.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think you may be misinterpreting. He did not say it has been proven trump raped little girls.

    He stated trump is a rapist, this has been proven is a court of law.

    He stated that trump likes little girls. This has been proven time and time again, from trumps comments on his own daughter to trump walking in on children changing for a beauty pageant. Lets not forget "when youre famous, they let you do it"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you think Trump was wrongly convicted of rape?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump was never criminally convicted of rape. People criminally convicted of rape go to prison.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    True, it was outside the statute of limitations so it was a civil case, not a criminal one.

    Making Trump an "adjudicated rapist", as opposed to a "convicted rapist".

    A judge called him, correctly, a rapist.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll

    “As the court explained in its recent decision denying Mr Trump’s motion for a new trial on damages and other relief [in the New York case] … based on all of the evidence at trial and the jury’s verdict as a whole, the jury’s finding that Mr Trump ‘sexually abused’ Ms Carroll implicitly determined that he forcibly penetrated her digitally – in other words, that Mr Trump in fact did ‘rape’ Ms Carroll as that term commonly is used and understood in contexts outside of the New York penal law.”

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