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[–] 26 points 1 year ago

and your salary doesn't go up lmao

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Only pay raises happen when you get poached. Your boss isnt suddenly gonna pay you more.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I mean, depends on the country. Labor laws here in Germany mean that it's worth investing into workers and when you have invested, it costs you significantly more when they quit than if you just paid them reasonably.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    In reality, not everyone quits and your pay didn't move. Only way to improve your pay is often move and negotiate.

    If you stay, you can do 200% of the work and hope there is a role and they appreciate your work. Or just sell your experience to a company that definitely has that role available.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Last year, money was running out in our project and the guy who had trained me decided he'd take the L and move to another project, so we could continue in the project. And yeah, suddenly I was in the role of the lead developer.

    Like, don't get me wrong, I would've been the one to be moved to another project, if I wasn't up for the task. It's not like I was a complete dumbass.
    But it did still feel more like "I guess, we doin' lead development now" rather than something I had intentionally worked towards.

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    [–] 156 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    I can see how that would very easily happen, but my experience is that it's easier to find a new job than get a raise. Eventually you'll get that senior position too.

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  • [–] 93 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Forbes magazine found a long time ago that the best way to get a raise in America is to find another job.

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    Also true in the UK, I could get an extra +£10k just by leaving for a senior position elsewhere.

    But I don't want to for two reasons:

    1. I don't feel I have enough experience to actually be a senior in my job and want to stay where I am currently to learn some more before I leave.

    2. I really like my current company because they treat me very very well and are the complete opposite of my previous company who gave me workplace PTSD, anxiety, and made me suicidally depressed. On top of that my company commits to inflation matching yearly wage adjustments, so I'm not loosing money by staying here.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    In Italy, for technical jobs, traditionally a new employer should offer your 10% more on your yearly gross. Conditions apply of course, such as being already above the average pay for your position and experience, or having already changed job recently, but it's way more than you usually would be able to bargain for a raise (idk why employers are allergic to pay raises, but replacing you when you leave with someone more expensive apparently is ok, despite the new hire requiring time to get up to speed).

    Nowadays it works less for roles that aren't in high demand, and even then they try to low-ball you whenever possible, but it's still better than fighting for raises.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I've gotten anywhere from 20k to 40k increases when I switch companies. If I stay I'm only getting the "standard" 2~4%

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That was a long time ago though. Since covid the market has changed and it’s probably not as good of an idea to be a job hopper as it was.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Depends on what job you're in. If it's highly technical and niche you'll have an easier time finding a better job. A competitor recently tried to poach me for a 50% raise but I turned them down since they didn't have hybrid work available. Sometimes it's better to stick with a job that offers things you value more than money.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm currently at the 1 year mark of my IT internship, idk when I should leave. Should I stick with it for another year while I'm still in school and then jump after I graduate? Should I get a new job and jump this summer? So many options

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  • [–] 71 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    • Stick around for at least five years and you're the guru who knows everything, so you've got job security

    • Change jobs every five years, because managers love to offer "experienced hires" more than the current actually experienced staff

    The Two Genders

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I've had more than a few friends do very well in O&G, riding through a downturn, getting a fat severance, taking a prolonged vacation / working in a smaller company for a few years, then getting hired back when the original company rebuilds.

    Schlumberger, in particular, has been through this cycle twice. Exxon has done it on and off for a century. My own firm is the reconstituted remains of Enron, now highly profitable thanks to its stake in the Permian Basin.

    Lots of these companies have people who know each other and have worked together for decades.

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    [–] 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Important Note: Being "the person who knows how everything works around here" means nothing to them when it's time for layoffs.

    Also, your yearly performance reviews are less than meaningless

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It does mean something to them, but not in a way that will stop you from getting laid off; what it means is that after laying you off, they'll quickly come to regret it and scramble to try to fill the knowledge gap they now have. I know a few people who were called up by the company basically begging them to help. A couple of people I know were able to leverage this to get a short term position contracting (at exorbitantly higher rates than their salary way), and a few others instead just cackled in schadenfreude.

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  • Haha, that's the former head of my department. They asked for a good raise (after building the infrastructure from ground up), the company said nah, so they left for a better position and much more money than what the current dept. head is making. The company now pays for their consulting, and the management still hasn't learned their lesson, because they're still stingy with the raises.

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago

    Funny idea that you’re going to get promotion and pay rise by staying where you are and hoping the management will magically appreciate your efforts and reward you.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago

    Yes, if you stay at a dysfunctional company for five years, and everyone more competent left: Steve in sales will address you as the senior engineer at the start of the call.

    It won't feel good, that guy is an idiot.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    Hahaha yep after five years you do become the person who knows how to do shit. But you still get paid the same wage just for more effort. If you are working for 5 years and you are being mistreated please leave without a two week notice. I never thought I would the one to do it but its good for your mental health

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It also means not absolutely hating your job. If you're the only hater and everyone else likes working in the company you'll have a bad time waiting for everyone to leave.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "The best career advice is to just not get fired or laid off, idiot, duh."

    Wow, why didn't I think of that.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    Worst advice ever. Your blood pressure will rise and you will wish you were a farmer.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    And when you're the knowledgeable senior you will also have the knowledge that they're hiring people for more than they pay you.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    the people in my team started in the company: 1992, 2002, 2008, 2010, 2020 and me: 2025, it's gonna be a long wait 😞

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The 92 guy has to be retiring soon.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I started in 1990, my official retirement date is 2037. That's the date I can claim government pension in the UK.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I already chose my retirement room! Its a nice plot very close to a Costco. Lots of people to watch although I got no windows and my room is a micro basement. Its around 6ft under actually, pretty cozy if you think about it. They haven't installed it yet. They're literally waiting for me to make it my size. I'm gonna be spending a long time in that place. I don't know, the current administration just might change their minds and give me an involuntary cremation instead. It lets family move on. Good for business.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Literally me right now in my job after two years. Projet Owner left, Tech Lead left, two Devops engineers left... I was supposed to be just a Dev and instead I end up doing a bit of everything. Fucking crazy. Coincidentally, I've never been in a job for more than two years...

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can confirm, it happened twice to me.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I speed ran this. First job right out of uni, the team lead went on holiday 2 weeks later and never came back. Everyone else was gone within 3 months.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Advancement by attrition

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I've done that. It sucks.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You won't get laid more, that's for sure!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    But at what cost.. At what cost..

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Or even though you are around for years the unqualified boss's nephew gets the raise and senior position.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Nearly everyone else in a team I work on decided to leave along with their boss, so guess who's left with the knowledge

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