Second amendment people....... wheeeeeere arrrre youuuuuuu?
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Isn't Trump a gun owning felon?
Let us know as soon as you find a LEO and a judge who will enforce that.
He seems like a real milquetoast kinda bitch. I wonder if he's ever fired a gun.
I'd really love to know how the maga crowd feel about that, it's a question I've had for quite a while.
Fascist regimes eventually come for the guns
Fascist regimes always come for guns. Governments that come for guns are not always fascist
A implies b, but b does not imply a.
Is your assertion that this is not a fascist regime? Otherwise you simply repeated what I said in the first sentence.
No, my assertion is that a government coming for your guns is not the reason it's fascist
Uh... It is by either definition of the word "narcotic."
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A substance that affects mood and is taken recreationally; often illegal.
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a drug that relieves pain or induces sleepiness.
Marijuana fits both. But so is alcohol.
Tylenol is known to improve depression symptoms. Fits both too. QED, narcotic.
https://news.osu.edu/your-pain-reliever-may-also-be-diminishing-your-joy/
Dictionaries. What the hell does it know? It's merely a reference. ;-)
As per the DEA, "Marijuana is a Schedule I drug with no accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse."
According to federal law it is.
To be fair though: That isn't what defines a narcotic. It also is a bullshit classification since marijuana does have acceped medicinal uses.
In this case, the definition of a narcotic is in the eye of the lawmaker. In 1970 Nixon said cannabis was one of the worst drugs and got it placed among Schedule 1 drugs. Somehow it has remained that way for 55 years.
I totally agree cannabis and some other so called "drugs" have medicinal uses.
In normal times this would never come up but these are not normal times.
The 4473 specifically mentions that Marijuana use in states where it's legalized prohibit the purchasing of a firearm.
It's more about letting someone know they're breaking the law if they buy it. It's also something that can be added onto charges if they commit a crime with the gun. Lying on the 4473 is a crime.
I did once have someone try to buy a gun using a medical Marijuana card as ID because their driver's license was expired.
They can have my gun, but it comes with bullets.
While cool of you to say, realistically the most pro 2A amendement nutjobs are awfully quiet with the US descent into fascism since said nutjobs likely voted for the Nazi. This is leopard eating my face
Never threaten.
Even if you have the ability to defend yourself against a bully that is motivated by piss and vinegar, that doesn't mean you want a target on your back or for them to see you coming.
My guess is that many of the people who are willing to resist kinetically aren't going to say anything or threaten anyone.
One day, a thug kicks down the wrong door and punches his own ticket. The next day the paranoia grips the jackboots and they start passing gun laws in a hurry.
Lots of cold dead hands after that and no one is willing to volunteer to be first in line to kick off that process.
Historically, this is why police come after you while you're in a car, at work, or otherwise out and about. I'm curious whether, if it ever came to that point, a court would approve seizure* of any records at gun ranges or otherwise to gather data on people who might have guns (being very specific with that 'might have' wording), and then issue warrants to seize said people on the street, and then issue search warrants for the home. It would be a pretty wild reversal of evidence and probable cause. The politicians and cops would try to sell it to the maga fools as being the only way to keep cops safe from antifa terrorists, and I'd bet they would buy it.
That (judges signing off on such wild bullshit) would be so far into fascist territory that we might as well be at the bottom of fascism lake.
*This would probably be a grand jury subpoena, which both has lower evidence needs and relies on the reasoning that your transactions/records with a business are not as private as other areas of your life. Cops give these to DAs all the time to gather evidence on a case without the need to go to a judge, so blaming the courts here might be too hasty.
I'm not a pro2A nut job, I'm a stoner that owns firearms and won't be willing to give them up without a fight. I don't mean it as a threat, just a statement of fact. If the state comes to take my guns, without a REALLY good reason, that seems like the point where I start fighting back, damn my job, damn my house.
Just... saying this here, mate, but if that's the case, unless your opsec is so tight that the nsa wouldn't know if you're trump himself posting for funsies, you probably shouldn't state that out loud. That is literally what the other fella that replied to you meant when he said 'threat.'
I mean, I would have to scrub my entire Internet history for that to make any difference. Look at Platner and Palantir, I have posted about owning guns, smoking weed, and my mental health for years. That cow is out to pasture. If there's a list, I'm on it. I rely on being a small drop in a large sea of gun owners that have posted similar shit way louder with their name proudly displayed above it.
Not like there a whole liberal tech community that could do some 3d printing...
I think the 'why' is pretty obvious. They don't need the blowback when attacking their own citizens for cash and prizes.
It’s a rare instance of this White House seeking to limit, rather than expand, gun ownership.
As far as I know, trump banned bump stocks and has never expanded gun access...
"We're going to take the firearms first and then go to court."
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-take-firearms-first/
The authoritarianism was always foremost on his mind.
Most anti gun president in ages.
Doesn't mind when they're used on schoolchildren though
Another comment in addition to my last. You cannot run a fascist dictatorship with an armed populace. Notice they're only going after soft targets ATM? When those targets run low, and ICE still has to make a quota, they're going to have to get more radical in their kidnappings.
I am on a hair trigger with this shit. My legal, brown, immigrant wife means I have a dog in this fight. The more they tighten their grip, ICE agents will soon be getting shot in the streets. That leads to the administration declaring martial law, Insurgency Act, whatever.
But here's the thing, American's do not like being told what to fucking do by our government. Example: AR-15s have been available since the 60s. No one gave a shit. About 2-seconds after the ban was lifted, most popular rifle in America.
We will openly, and violently rebel. Fuck you I won't do what you tell me.
ATF Form 4473 (background check) asks:
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.
Marijuana use and possession is a technicality no one, not even the ATF, gave much of a fuck about. I think this case goes to the administration. Sorry, but if a judge has to interpret this thing, the guy broke the law.
What the administration is not seeing is that this could round up a shitload of white rednecks and conservatives, many of whom are single-issue voters or related to such people. (Disclosure: I'm a gun nut that votes D, no matter what.) "They put my boy in federal prison for smoking pot and having a .22 squirrel rifle!" OTOH, we know this will be selectively enforced.
Interesting note on the next question:
Have you ever been adjudicated as a mental defective OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?
The never ending trans drumbeat around here is preaching to the choir, but I should note that this administration will be aiming to class transsexuality as a mental disorder. They did not miss the fact that LGBT, blacks and women have been the largest gun purchasing demographic since Trump 1.0. (Haven't kept up with the stats, correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe it's "first time buyers"?)
Love to see how the, "Under no pretext!" gang fields this one. From what I've seen on GunTuber channels, they're pissed off at the notion of taking trans guns. OTOH, my algorithm doesn't feed me right-wing gun content. 🤷🏻♂️ I'd still bet money that the vast majority of right-wing gun nuts would say hell no to the idea. We gun nuts understand the "slippery slope" context. This is that.
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