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[–] 361 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

This is not slop, this is political misinformation disinformation. Call it what it is.

Slop is annoying, but it's just AI generated spam. This is much more purposeful and insidious. The tools you used to make it are irrelevant.

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  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As much as I hate to use this term because of the most prominent person associated with it:

    This literally is an infowar, this is an actual psyop.

    Targetted and fairly convincing mis and disinformation deployed at exactly the moment it would generate the most chaos and distrust in your own ability to evaluate reality?

    Yeah. Yeah.

    Thats a psyop, that is what an actual psyop is.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    If they can take something like "woke" and use it to mean something bad, we can take infowars and use it for something good (and correct/accurate). Make that usage of the word the default when people hear it, not the other thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Misinformation is too nice of a word.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    hence disinformation, which intentional form of misinformation designed to manipulate the views of the viewers/ or in other situations to give false info to illicit a certain response. misinformation is just ignorant false info being presented with no malice. alot of news media confuse between the 2, when in fact it almost always disinformation.

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  • [–] 149 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Republicans want to hate so badly, they'll literally create fiction to manifest it and be the victims...

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  • [–] 80 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Always have. Most of them have never met the people they've been taught to hate. Or believe for some reason that the few they know are some sort of exception. The token "good ones".

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right they hate these straw people. I mean, I;m not going to say my own cognitive projection of "conservative" is 100% accurate, but at least my nightmare scenarios are about actual bad things happening, and not like conservative nightmares of genetically inferior people getting to enjoy the gifts of civilization.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    The difference between us and them is that we don't want to do things to hurt them. Far from it. We honestly want to do things to help them. When we do hate them, it's not for who they are, but who they choose to be. And that makes all the difference.

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  • [–] 92 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What's wild about this is that people predicted AI would be used for nefarious purposes, but generally in the form of like, showing your opponents doing crimes. But here it's being used to show their own side doing crimes while the other side is only made to look "cringy" or more like a stereotype.

    It really speaks to the utter depravity of the US right that, given a machine that can generate any video of anything they could imagine, this is what they do. These people are utterly incompatible with any kind of free or even functional society, and I really don't know what could ever be done fix them or their culture.

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  • [–] 65 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The smartest move I ever made was dropping all mainstream social media. I don't get any of this BS. Meta, Twitter, and Reddit are a plague on society and I'll have no part in it.

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  • [+] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    What would prevent Lemmy from becoming another Reddit

    You'd need to convince every one hosting a Lemmy instance (and all possible future ones) to sell their platform for money or blackmail them into submission...

    With Reddit, they only needed to convince Spez which is like convincing an alcoholic to have a free shot of his fav poison

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If Lemmy, or any other fediverse social network, ever got that big, you would be guaranteed there would be plenty of splinters of de-federation in the network. There would be small networks totally isolated from the mainstream cluster, and others that only federate parts of it. You could choose to hang out in some counter-cultural bubble, or choose a curated connection to the biggest networks, if you didn't want to engage in them fully. The trick would be finding "your people," but the tech works.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I never have to wonder what the Nazis in Germany would have done with modern technology. I wish I didn't know.

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  • [+] 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I see people daily due to living in a city and it only makes me hate them more.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Right! Living in a city grows your disdain for all of humanity. But not any particular race.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If they can't differentiate between Ai Slop and reality, maybe we should start generating videos of ICE terrorizing Maga people.

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  • [–] 91 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The phrase “I voted for this” has become a common thing for far-right supporters of Trump to say when something particularly brutal has happened to their political opponents.

    I'll tell you what's at the bottom of it, If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you. -- Lyndon B. Johnson, attributed by Bill Moyers

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    That last part is still accurate He had it right.

    I remember as a kid growing up in a extended family just emerging from the worst kind of american poor. My fathers generation was the first to have decent living conditions but still faced hunger as children. They all could remember when they got electricity and running water. The older generation of aunts and uncles would often say things like 'We may be poor but at least were not N******s". That hasn't changed a lot in some circular family tree's.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago*

    I've met racists who love this quote, they just think that "convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man" is equivalent to "convince a colored man he’s as good as a white man" here. They really do.

    Also there are plenty of people who don't consider themselves racist, yet think their (American, British, whatever) color hierarchy exists outside of English-speaking countries and people there have to take it into account.

    The kind that "is not racist", but if someone is racist, it's only the way that they are on top. They can't conceive that a Vietnamese or a Chinese racist may have a racial hierarchy where they are near chimps. When facing evidence of such being possible, they lose their mind and behave, honestly, quite racist.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The troll farms are disastrous to this country.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago

    I want off this ride.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Expect much more of this and soon enough it will be impossible to distinguish between Real and fake videos

    We can fix a little with digitally.sigbed videos to at least show that a video came from a verified source but that still won't fix the issue with leaked videos. Basically, leaked videos and open mike videos / audio clips are over, we can't ever trust them anymore

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think the article really makes the point that it doesn't matter. The videos can LITERALLY have a watermark on them from the AI software, and people just dgaf. The battle is lost before it begins.

    As with things like quotes and claims that could always be fake, it's back to the old journalistic practices of verifying sources with a second source. But that means being ignorant of things that were not being investigated by journalists, which creates a different filter bubble.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    it’s back to the old journalistic practices of verifying sources with a second source.

    that has as a necessary pre-requirement that people are actually interested enough in an objective truth that they're willing to pay some journalist to do the research.

    is that really the case anymore? I can see it being useful in the 20th century when people were interested in new economic developments and stuff

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Journalists don't verify anything these days, because their bosses are focused on being the first to publish. Doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, the article only exists to get the advertising to load.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    With the way things spread on social media from user generated content it would be hard to get that done I'm sure. Like the video almost everyone saw of Charlie, the video was indeed real but the spread was so beyond control that ot broke almost every filter algorithm on social media. I can't imagine how much "suppression" talk would be mentioned if we had digitally sign the source even though it would be totally valid. [Viral > Truth]

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even if the images were real, I see a woman using her first amendment right to speech and assembly being assaulted by someone who has sworn to uphold the constitution.

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    [–] 28 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Trump supporters making shit up and constantly lying?

    next you're gonna tell me the sky is blue

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    WELCOME TO THE WORRRLD OF TOMOORRROW!

    Where truth doesn't matter anymore.

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If right wing people were smart they wouldn't be right wing. Of course they're going to believe and share AI slop video. They're emotional driven fools.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This has to be what trump is seeing over on Truth Social that's got him thinking cities are burning from protests, or at least that could be what his advisors are showing

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    This is actually pretty scary because they can just put their enemies in the videos to justify arresting people they don’t like

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not much different than grabbing the neighbors and telling them to say a few statements as witnesses, false or true. A new spin on an old game.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    AI propaganda slop aside, fucking rise up already... FFS

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    Its not fake if MAGA believes it ... that puts it into psyops territory.

    Not real, but not exactly "fake".

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    AI is coming along at the perfect times for these jackals, and as we got closer and closer, through deep fakes, etc., we all knew who would be the first side to abuse it for its political propaganda power. They even knew it, they could hardly wait for the tech to catch up to their nefarious requirements.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm convinced AI content generation was created with the sole intent of manufacturing outrage material for gullible idiots.

    because the rate at which these technophobic illiterates have adopted AI, and expertly use it to generate bullshit, is too high to be otherwise plausible.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, no doubt. My mother got radicalised by Facebook over the years. It went from cute dog and cat things to "harmless" conspiracy theories (think bigfoot), culminating in fucking her with QAnon propaganda indoctrination. Last I checked up on her, there's machine generated rubbish all over her feed. She's beyond saving at this point. Suppose she was always primed for this kind of thing, being pro-homeopathy anti-vaccine person.

    She doesn't question the machine generated content at all, and I saw that if someone points it out, which a scarce few have done, she just justifies it with "well it could be real, this kind of thing does happen."

    At this point I don't think it matters if this technofascism was a knowing plan, or an unfortunate series of events that by themselves seemed justifiable to the people making the decisions, but it doesn't really matter. We're here now. They're not only trying, but succeeding in coercing governments and undermining democracy.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Some dumbass sumbitch eating this up. Unfortunately it’s like 50x that. So many dumb motherfuckers, not enough natural disasters to help the rest of us along.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    hold up. so now we don't even have to do anything for this this to escalate?

    I mean....if I'm gonna get blamed for cheating I might as well cheat, you know?

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  • Yeah? Kinda the point. Like absolutely nothing was happening in Portland. Nothing at all. But trump sent troops anyway because Portland is such a hellhole. Now there’s protests, but they seem to be far more entertaining and mocking than anything else.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We really are in a post-truth society.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I don't know. My entire life people have more or less told me the truth is stupid and worthless. Pretty sure were never were a truth society. It's just that now we have given up the pretense and pretext that it even exists and have decided bullshit is what really makes us happy.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's all about normalising boots on the ground in American towns and cities.

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  • Yet another reason they probably want to stir up violence. Not only does it tip us closer towards civil war, capturing public violence means more data to feed into AI and generate violent videos.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Manufacturing consent 3.0

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Fake videos and fake comments pushing us to the edge

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    NOT true! MAGA are KNOWN to do Their Own Research TM and would Know if it's AI!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    So we've achieved Barefoot In The Head sans drugs.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I feel like AI generated videos of very active things like protests would be easy to debunk. Just look at the people in the background and point out the people disappearing after moving behind another person, or look for changing faces.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You haven't seen a lot of Sora 2 videos. Identifiable traits require a pretty careful eye in many videos to spot.

    You absolutely can't even rely on the watermark, since removing that watermark is trivial to the nation-states running disinfo campaigns, and even for end users removal is trivial compared to creating typical public AI video models.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Even that little blur effect people use to get rid of watermarks, sure it's sora but it could as easily just be a tiktok username, which people remove all the time. So the people who want to believe it, will.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    In the article they mention videos with literal AI watermarks being passed around as if they were real. The targets want to believe they are true and will ignore anyone debunking them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Reality is now a Who's Line Is It Anyway. Everything isn't real and points don't matter.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Taylor Lorenz has had some great videos on AI Slop lately.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Lenin dreamt of this kind of propaganda power.

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