I'm looking for a new instance since lemm.ee is closing by the end of the month. What's a good instance to be on these days?

I'm looking for a instance with the fewest trolls, bots, and anyone that likes to take things to the extremes.

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[–] 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (27 children)

Depends; Closest thing to lemm.ee? Maybe lemmy.zip?

Here's my own choices:

  • lemmy.dbzer0.com (totally unbiased 😏)
  • lemmy.zip
  • quokk.au (not lemmy, piefed)
  • sopuli.xyz

Dbzer0 and zip are probably the closest thing to lemm.ee in terms of defederation.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Problem isn't so much defederation policy in and of itself, as much as it is just the general level-headedness of the admins

    Lemm.ee's lead admin had exactly the type of philosophy towards managing this platform that I want to see in wherever I go next.

    This post alone is what convinced me to create a primary account there. It's professional, level-headed, nuanced, well spoken, and you can tell they've actually thought a lot about the big picture in an unbiased way. Not aggressive, preachy, standoffish, snarky, snobbish, and above all, not reactionary. Seeing the instance as infrastructure is what I want to see more of, but I also just want to see admins with this attitude overall.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Unfortunately that philosophy led them to close down their instance due to burnout, so maybe it's not exactly a winning one 😅

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I beg you, please take care of yourself if it's needed, take time off, relax, get help from others. I think you have a philosophy to not take money out of the donations, but speaking as one of the contributors, I think that's unfair considering the amount of work you put in.

    What I'm saying is just do what it takes to not let it lead to burnout. I don't think anyone that understands the value of this instance would mind.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Fingers crossed, but we also know Lemmy might not be ready for that type of philosophy. I mean I still don't know what exactly happened, but lemm.ee wasn't successful in the end. And the underlying issues are still there. So the next admin team might face the same dynamics.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Seeing the instance as infrastructure is what I want to see more of

    Yes, exactly! A good manager to me is the one that is just focused on solving the problems that are on the way of the rest of the team.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Any website or service that utilizes the .zip TLD 🤮🤮

    I'm sure there are great websites and services that utilize it, but I have a strong opinion that the TLD should have never been put out there for people to use. I block all .zip TLD domains with no exceptions; and so unfortunately, I cannot use lemmy.zip.

    To be fair, I have no real opinions about lemm.ee. It was one of the instances that had the most users when I joined Lemmy, and as far as I'm aware it hasn't received any real negative press.

    I'm more bothered about seeing or being associated with spam and/or an instance full of toxic people. I'm not a spicy person - or so I'd like to think.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I’m more bothered about seeing or being associated with spam and/or an instance full of toxic people. I’m not a spicy person - or so I’d like to think.

    Zip's a very trustworthy instance, all admins know about it; so i doubt anything wrong will happen in that regard 😉

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    is the TLD just aesthetically unpleasing or are there technical issues with zip archive files? Curious to know how one can judge one TLD over others just b/c I've never really thought ab it until now

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just gonna pitch in here, but I'm no expert. I was reading people's reactions when that TLD was introduced, and they raised concerns over the possibility that a bad actor could spoof an address that actually downloads a .zip file to your device when you click the link, even though you may assume it's an address to a page. No idea what a hypothetical virus could do from a compressed environment, but thats what I remember reading.

    Sorry to any experts if I'm muddying the waters with a dumb take!

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago

    Yeah that's the exact reason why I dislike the .zip TLD, and the same goes for .mov. The TLDs can be easily abused to look like something they're not to trick people into visiting their website that downloads something malicious.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    If you saw ChromeUpdate202506.zip, then what do you believe it is? A downloadable update for Chrome or a website?

    What if a malicious person has purchased that domain and filled the website with something malicious, a virus, an info stealer, etc?

    I block the .zip TLD because the domains can be used maliciously. Within the first few days there were hundreds/thousands of domains registered with names to look like zip files for updating software and the like.

    I also block the .mov TLD for the exact same reason.

    Sure on a good day you can spot the malicious intent from a mile away, but I like to protect for when I'm having a bad day. I also block the TLDs for the whole family as well because unfortunately they're not as tech savvy or meticulous.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't know the admin team at db0 can be interesting at times.

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    What's different about .zip? 🤔

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)
    • Great admins. I've talked to demigodrick and he's a good fellow
    • Monthly transparent reports about the instance
    • Image proxying
    • Relaxed defederation policy

    Only negative thing i can name is that it blocks the UK, because of a law they don't want to risk

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Can lemmy use a different subdomain for authentication?

    Unless it does, lemmy.zip is behind cloudflare and all of the passwords are going through a different entity, whether users like it or not.

    I would rather not.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You might like https://piefed.social.

    • Usual controversial instances (hexbear, grad, hilariouschaos...) are banned here,
    • Posts and replies with many downvotes are collapsed by default,
    • You can individually block any (whole) instance, community, users and linked domains. You can also filter the keywords,
    • Any much-downvoted user will appear with red warning sign
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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    .zip has the closest instance policies to .ee. A lot of .ee refugees moved there (me included). Some also moved to piefed if you're considering that.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Maybe dubvee? That's kind of the exact vibe we're fostering.

    Site info: https://dubvee.org/site

    I'm looking for a instance with...

    • the fewest trolls (they're site-banned upon discovery)
    • [the fewest] bots (see rule 2: "No fscking bots"). Some bots are allowed, but only ones that are just a human queuing up things to post on a schedule.
    • and anyone that likes to take things to the extremes (See Rule 8)

    Cons are that a lot of accounts are banned (rule 8) and we don't federate with some instances: .ml, grad, hexbear, lemdroid (too much spam originates there). We're kind-of the opposite of lemm.ee in a lot of ways, so it might be a bit jarring if that's where you're coming from.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My recommendation would be to find a local instance - one that's closest to you - and sign up for that. I'm not in Atlanta, but I am in Georgia, so I signed up for the yall.theatl.social instance (the server is in Atlanta), and I couldn't be happier. It's a smaller instance, but I converse regularly with the admins when I have a question or a problem, and they are accessible and always open to suggestions.

    I like it so much that I also use the theatl.social Mastodon instance as my main Mastodon as well. I throw them a few bucks every month to help with costs, and I'm happy to do it.

    I would agree with those who say smaller instances are the way to go.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I've been pretty happy with how the instance I use has been run thus far, but it is focused around furries, so it won't be something most people outside that subculture like I expect. Still, the fandom is big enough that someone in it looking for an instance might look at this thread, so I mention it anyway.

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    I enjoy it as well, I also love how reliable it is, it's been around longer than software it's currently running(Mbin). The same admin also runs infosec.exchange, a pretty well known Mastodon instance

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    try lemmy.dbzer0.com. (totally unbiased)

    we have pirates, memes, and shitposts galore (ahoy, matey!)

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    .world

    Sh.itjust.works

    Sopuli.xyz

    Lemmy.cafe

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I don't see a lot of the things you're trying to avoid on my instance. But I almost always browse "subscribed" and mostly have no idea what's going on in communities I'm not subscribed to.

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  • Since you mention you have no real opinions about lemm.ee. You were just on there by chance.

    I’ll propose you the style of blahaj which is to have downvotes disabled, its quite a different way to interact with lemmy, maybe a bit weird to get used to. But it feels much less hostile. And it fosters a good culture of just ignoring shitty takes and replies.

    As far as “no extremes” you mentioned you prefer, blahaj blocks lemmygrad and hexbear (ultra authoritarians) and any far right instance (think hilariouschaos)

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  • lemmy.dbzer0.com

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    You dont need to limit yourself to just one, feel free to diversify your presence.

    But for a real answer: The smaller ones; The smaller the more respecfull they feel.

    Though more users does demonstrate capabilities. Not every server is fast or stable.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Discuss.online is pretty awesome. 🤓

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    looking for a instance with the fewest trolls, bots, and anyone that likes to take things to the extremes.

    All the instances are good in their own way, but at least one will irritate you very much, and it’s always different. There are ways each one can make you go “why???”

    There are commenters who will call one or more instances bad things. That may or may not be accurate for you.

    Each large instance has one or more crazy mods, all instances mostly have decent mods. Each instance will have multiple examples about why it’s good or horrible.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There are some instances far worst than others other. I think hex bear has been defederated by many for example.

    And I agree with the crazies; I think it's true for any group that's large enough, regardless of platform or real world communities.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is a non-answer.

    What matters most is the type of people in charge of the instance, why the decide to do certain things, and the types of decisions they're likely to make in the future.

    Not all instances are the same in that regard.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It is rather both sides, isn’t it?

    But, after poking around lemmy, I have decided there is value in all instances. There will be communities nestled in between the stuff I do not like. I like and dislike much on lemmy

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    with the LEMMY.EE coming to an end there definitely will be multiple accts to diff instances just in case one gets offed again. definitely avoid the the triad of tankie instances, plus some that pretty political views, unless your into that kind of thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've found that self-hosrinf my own instance has been a very good way of keeping the number of bits, spammers and people that like to take things to the extremes at a nice and consistent 0.

    Sure, self hosting your own instance isn't for everyone but it's definitely doable and I'm satisfied with my experiences so far.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I like the idea of self hosting; I'm just concerned about being defederated by an admin/mod that's taken things the wrong way.

    I'm not a spicy person, but I'm sure I've upset some people, some how. I say that, but I know I've upset at least one person online.

    The person stated they do a thing, and me being curious, I asked them a question about it because I wanted to know more. They replied with a really angry message. It sounds preposterous but it really was as benign as that. I've seen the same person respond to others in the same unreasonable manner. It's this type of person that I'm concerned about.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    I don't think you need to worry about that too much. It's a very uncommon character trait for constructive people. Alike people who run a successful instance. Most of them are nice. And the very few who aren't, or are very agitated/argumentative will inevitably run into issues with other people as well... So there isn't much to loose.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I choosed lemmy.ml cause it was first i saw with no email registration

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    the one I'm on is pretty nice

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