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[–] 73 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Why is the first wheel always shown as stone? Surely a log would have lent itself to the discovery of rolling much more readily

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you see any trees in that drawing? It seems cavemen existed exclusively in barren volcanic wastelands.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I would guess logs don't lend themselves to the historical/fossil whatever record as well as stone does. The oldest wheels we've found are stone because any potential log ones deteriorated, and this was all before written records.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    That entire idea is so absurd I had to check.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel

    Looks like the first transportation-related evidence of wheel we have was made of clay (probably because it was a toy). The first transportation-related actual wheel that we found was made of wood. The first wheel-shaped object we found wasn't used for transportation and was made of wood.

    Stone is just a really bad material for making wheels. But I wrongly expected to see some metal ones on the list.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Wheels were useless anyway until the invention of the axle, around 3500 BCE.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Because the oldest reference disks we have are millstones? Idk. They always look like millstones to me

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Might have been grinding wheels for wheat; don’t have to be replaced as often and if in a stone track don’t have to worry as much about breakage. But that’s just a theory…. A history theory… or at least a history conjecture

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    [–] 96 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    I...I can't tell if this is commentary about now or not. Is that bad?

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  • [–] 104 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Neanderthals are representing anti-science right wing government here

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  • [–] 112 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Comparing the US Nazis to Neanderthals is an insult to Neanderthals.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    especially considering neanderthals were made extinct largely because of things like violence with homo sapiens, disease introduced by homo sapiens, the relationship (or lack thereof) with dogs, and climate change whilst the competitive advantages around social and cognitive development are relatively slight

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Neanderthals went extinct because they couldn't survive the ice age of 40,000 years ago. Unlike homo-sapiens, they never learned to sew, so they couldn't make tighter-fitting fur clothing to keep warm. They mostly wore loose-fitting animal hides.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Making fun of people's features is not really going to get us anywhere.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Disagree. With Trump, for example, it's one of the proven ways to get under his skin. It's useful to know how to goad people who otherwise have no capacity for empathy, regret, etc..., in my opinion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It undercuts their dignity. If people think you're a joke, they don't do what you say when you say to do something awful.
    We're dealing with fascists. They're a violent, angry pack of buffoons. We shouldn't cater to their feelings.

    For reference, see the works Chaplin, and Moe, Larry and Curly.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

    I first read it as neanderthals are less aggressive so they must focus now on weapons. I'm pretty sure the intention is that the guys working on the wheel have to stop because the current leadership are neanderthals.

    I think neanderthals were less war-like than humans because humans eradicated all of them, but I'm probably reading too much into it.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I think neanderthals were less war-like than humans because humans eradicated all

    Akchually, Neanderthals were humans and we don't know why they disappeared. The idea that homo sapiens eradicated them all is probably a wrong one; their decline begun before the arriving of homo sapiens.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The most recent suggestion I saw is that there were just more sapiens when they started interacting. Interbreeding must have happened, but with new groups of sapiens continuously arriving from the middle east, the neanderthal DNA just got more and more dilute. Eventually "pure" neanderthals no longer existed.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    with new groups of sapiens continuously arriving from the middle east, the neanderthal DNA just got more and more dilute

    I can't tell if you're being serious, or making fun of the great replacement theory conspiracy...

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Akchsually if you look at the genetic markers in modern populations its pretty clear what happened. πŸ†πŸ’¦ πŸ‘Ά

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They ate egg plant, at which point there were heavy rains which did them in?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The combination of eggplant and deluge turned them all into babies. Unable to hunt or communicate, they were wiped out.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Europeans and Asians also have roughly 2% Neanderthal DNA on average, so it's likely we absorbed a significant chunk of their population into our own.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    We also might simply have outbred them. Remember that modern humans have what appears to be detectable Neanderthal DNA so interbreeding has apparently occurred; we might simply have diluted them into perceived extinction. Besides, there doesn't seem evidence for large-scale war.

    Of course that's all speculation.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Huh I never thought about Neanderthals that way, but it makes sense. Crazy that now we refer to them as "less civilized" or more "savage", considering what war is.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    To add to that, evidence suggests that, not only were their brains larger than ours, but they likely had a higher capacity to learn than we do. Not to mention them being bigger and stronger than us too. We most certainly were the savages. It seems some things never change.

    https://www.fortinberrymurray.com/todays-research/were-the-neanderthals-smarter-than-we-are

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    It's also known, from an invasive frog (cane toad) in Australia, that adaptation can occur due to rate of travel. I'm not sure that's relevant here, it's just another example of how we've found quirks of evolution.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    It was the other way around. Making up lies and ganging up on others is a very sapiens thing to do.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The current scientific reality is what we know about Neanderthals implies that you probably wouldn't have noticed much of a difference in either direction.

    They were fully aware cousins with art, music, and ritual behavior, and they were closely related enough to interbreed.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago*

    "Volcanic eruptions are a scam! Ofk we must build on top of hot smooky mountain!"

    "MAKE NEANDERTHAL GREAT AGAIN"

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Wheel no good on rough ground. Wheel need road network and specialized labor. Befriend animal. He carry.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Freshly baked meme

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  • [+] -15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    The wheel is overrated historically. You need paved roads for a wheel to be useful while a donkey train climbs mountains.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What if instead of making something up and barfing onto my screen you spend 3 seconds of googling and actually learning something? Because one thing you can be certain of that there were not many pawed roads 10k bc

    The wheel, first used effectively in ancient Mesopotamia, revolutionized human history by enabling faster transportation for goods and people, transforming warfare with chariots, revolutionizing agriculture and crafts through irrigation and grinding techniques, and forming the foundation for modern machinery, including waterwheels and windmills, which drove industrialization and continues to shape our world today (https://www.citeco.fr/10000-years-history-economics/the-origins/invention-of-the-wheel#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+wheel+was+invented+in%2Cthe+basic+mechanism+in+windmills).&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwir3ODIvYKQAxXp_rsIHQ9mK64QgMkKegQIThAE&usg=AOvVaw0GmNq2t-l7KEwCmTL7tZcb)

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I meant it more as in the context of subsaharan Africa not having the wheel until the 19th century. Wheels for transportation were pretty much useless until they got roads there.

    I see now I should have caveated my post with 5 qualifiers now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago
    1. No you didn’t! If you meant that you would have said that as there is an titsy bitsy bit of a difference between a region of a continent to a time and the whole wide world until now!

    2. And still, thats a whole lot of bs!

    …The wheel was well known, with pottery wheels and water wheels used, and even wheeled transport in some regions like ancient Nubia and Ethiopia… (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_wheel_in_Africa)

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  • [+] -14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why research the wheel? It is already invented. No need to reinvent it.

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Neanderthals may have actually been more intelligent and homo sapiens just won because homo sapiens loves fucking and fighting.

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  • [+] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)