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[–] 174 points 1 year ago

Number of unvaxxed kids also growing in the past 22 years. I think it proves that autism is caused by lack of vaccine.

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  • [–] 96 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Now show the testing rate over the same time period!

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  • [–] 69 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Autism diagnosis rates. Quite a difference.

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  • [–] 68 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In my country there has been a huge increase in both ADHD and autism diagnoses the last decades. At the same time in those years the methods to discover both diagnoses have improved greatly.
    But you know, correlation does not equal causation..

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    30 years ago my teacher suspected i am on som sort of spectrum and had to get tested. I remember going to some doctor and i had to clap really fast and look into a light. Believe it of not i was not diagnosed with ADHD, because i'm a really good clapper

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  • Yeah, this is like saying “skin cancer rates have increased dramatically in the past 30 years!” Well yeah, because now we have the technology to detect it earlier. That “things increased” stat ignores the complementary “but deaths decreased dramatically” stat that immediately follows it. Before, we didn’t know people had skin cancer until it was killing them. But now, with preventative screenings, public awareness campaigns, etc, people are more likely to get checked before it is a life threatening issue.

    It’s the same thing. Detection models got better, so detection rates went up.

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  • [–] 201 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    The source is "I made it the fuck up!"

    Also ignoring improvements in diagnostics.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I mean, it says the source right there, it's the CDC...

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  • [–] 73 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The organization run by a brain worm driving a human suit?

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't understand why you or the person I'm replying to are for some reason seeming to dispute the higher rate of autism diagnosis? It's a fairly well-established fact, the point of contention is why the rate is higher.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The rate is higher because we can "catch" more cases with better diagnosis.

    Imagine machine that is throwing 100 balls per second. Another machine that can catch 10 balls per second. You catch 10 balls.

    Now newer machine can catch 20, and newer can catch 50.

    Does that mean the number of thrown balls is higher? No. It just means we have machines better at caching them. The same goes for any illness, autism, schizophrenia, cancer, depression...

    Some ilnesses we are better at curing, does that mean the the illness is getting weaker?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I'm aware of that. I guess my point was that the data isn't inaccurate, but I suppose* labelling it as "prevalence" is the point of contention.

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago*

    Because that'snot what the graph claims, and it is definitely not what the graph implies.

    The graph says that there has been a 400% increase in the prevalence of autism. That's not true, and is unsupported by the evidence. There has been a marked increase in the effective diagnosis and therapeutic interventions, but autism was largely undiagnosed and under-reported for almost all of human history. We're still improving and refining the diagnostic criteria, and any changes in the number of cases should not be suggested to support any causal relationship with anything.

    The graph is a lie, intended to push a political narrative that undermines the credibility of actual science, all in a transparent effort to distract from powerful child rapists raping children.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah, after deleting any data the CDC used to have that they didn't agree with. And making up any new data they need to make their preconceived notion as perceivably supported as possible.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    In this case no. It's the fact that we're better at diagnosing things, any disease that doesn't have active treatments is going to be similar.

    You could do reports of ED over time and that graph is going to skyrocket not because it's more or less common but rather more people are willing to get diagnosed to seek remediation. Right around the discovery of Viagra and it's ilk you'd see skyrocketing ED diagnoses and it's not like dicks just suddenly stopped working.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Also, more kids are just getting diagnosed. Back when I was in school in the 90s, I was very lucky to be in a rich school district that actually taught teachers how to spot signs so they could recommend a screening, which the district would foot the bill for because they had a psychologist on staff. Now, more and more districts have people like that, and more and more teachers are taught how to spot early signs of autism (and more parents are aware of it) that kids who previously might have just been "weird kids" are actually getting diagnosed with autism.

    I won't deny a potential environmental link, but if there is one, it's likely more linked to fossil fuels than anything. BUT that's hard to get traction against, and it doesn't have a magic bullet that'll immediately "solve" the issue.

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  • [–] 109 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
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    [–] 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    In hypernormalization, making SURE you know they ARE LYING and that IT DOESN'T MATTER is essential.
    Because the goal is to make you believe you can't do anything, so that you give up and demobilize that is their goal.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Very well said. I will make a concerted effort to inject "hypernormalization" into my speech more often going forward. For decades I've been saying to friends that the reductionist obsession with "normal" (whatever the hell that means) is a cancer to modern society.

    In particular it already sounds creepy when you replace usage with its verb-form, e.g. changing "all my friends are normal" to "all my friends have been normalized". It's common practise to use a re-encoder to normalize a "background" playlist of songs to the same dB threshold so no single song sticks out and distracts us from what we are trying to focus on while listening. Similarly, authorities of an authoritarian ilk try to normalize populations so none of them stick out and distract from the primary focus (centralization of power and money). Hypernormalization involves taking that to its logical conclusion, telling the vast majority of people "stay in your lane" - meaning "shut up and consume, and when we tell you what to buy you buy it", AKA be "normal(ized)").

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The authorities want an homogeneous population, as they also have a limited ability to imagine the social sphere in multiple dimensions, this is why you're seeing things like the gender binaries. At least that's just two simulations to run. But gender as spectrum, this becomes quickly untenable for the elites to model for control, they wish the squash the real world complexity into flattened binaries or even uniformity.

    Yes, I think you got it exactly right and the audio normalization analogy is correct, at least for sound nerds like us.

    Hypernormalization is a dysfunctional response from elites due to their human cognitive weakness. This is why we're not going back to "King" no single human can bear the complexity of the entire world in their skull mush. They will melt down and genocide the Kurds when it gets too hard for them to conjugate everything. This is why dictators and fascism will do a lot of damage, but have no hope whatsoever for success. They are "rebellion from cognitive weakness", they violently lash out at complexity itself, at those things they cannot understand. They want to reduce everything to a simple narrative of us versus them and then destroy "them" so only a uniform homogeneous "us" remains. This "us" identical to the ruler, does not require the ruler to imagine "the other" instead they only rule as if everyone else was an identical copy of them. And if anyone disagrees with that, they are "other".

    From that we know the "few" cannot rule the many, but then how do we avoid the traps of design by committee, bikeshedding and the various paralysis that come from complexity beyond human cognition. Concentrations of power are too dumb to rule, but the mob and the market are also dumb and easily fooled, not to mention irresponsible and self-destructive. (The market is burning the planet, right now, it cannot see into the future). The mob is emotional and easily manipulated, often by its own emotions.

    I think we need new modes of thinking more advanced than what we had in the 1700s. Something invented with at least the idea of what a computer could do.

    You'll probably want to watch the best documentary on the subject

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr7T07WfIhM

    I also recommend the following by the same author

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s
    about advertising and consumerism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6EBpLfLHCA&list=PLC4E798CAE3E10597
    about how our own surplus value is used against us

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Can somebody smarter than me tell me what this is trying to say? There’s a bar for surveillance year and birth year. But, for instance, 2012 is on the graph twice with different values. What does it mean?

    Edit:

    I think I got it. The graph is of “Autism rates in 8 year olds over time”. And the X axis should just be year (in 2 year increments).

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    2012 appears once as a birth year and once as a surveillance year. The graph says that they only ever surveyed 8-year-olds, since the birth year is always 8 less than the surveillance year.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    But they have 12 bars and 6 labels... it makes no sense

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I see 6 labels. I guess that means 2 surveys per year. But I’m just guessing.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    It's probably a dataset that collected every 2 years, but only labeled every other bar to prevent the graph from being overcrowded.

    Not a great decision, but not terrible.

    Although, I'm a bit concerned for Lemmys graph comprehension skills.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Bad graph, they couldn’t decide if the X axis was the birth year of the kids or the year of the test but they give the same information since it’s always 8-year-old kids being tested. Anyways, they wrote the year of the test first and second the year of birth.

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Assuming the data is true (doubt it because of fucking beef jerky man), it's not so much that autism is on the rise so much that autism rates are being diagnosed more and autism is less stigmatized than it was previously.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    If I remember correctly, it fits the same overall curve of the number of reported left handed people over time after society stopped forcibly making people use their right hand. Shockingly, actually making an attempt at diagnosing people and tracking those diagnoses makes numbers go up.

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  • [+] 31 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • In other news, visibility bias has been classified as communist propaganda. Anyone who says this isn't representative of an actual increase in the incidence rate is a communist and can safely be ignored.

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That line of best fit doesn't even match the data. How can it start above the data and then finish above the data but still be line of best fit. Not that that's the only problem with this graph of course.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Not autism rates, detection rates is what's up, more kids are growing up with adequate helps and therapies so they can grow to be functional adults.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It is the same story as gay infecting children's minds.

    They are selling awareness as something to be afraid of. Which is yet another layer od evil.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Adequate helps and terapies - repression and psychological abuse. Great. We are functional adults, fuck you.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Uuuhhhhhh, I'm an autistic adult who can somehow function because I had heaps of help growing up, many of my friends weren't that lucky and have a hard time just existing.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    prevalence of cancer has increased ∞% since 0 BC

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    When people say autism they think of the nonverbal kind not the model train kind.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well the cure is clearly to stop testing.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Instances of autism have skyrocketed since the discovery of autism and effective testing for it.

    Clearly these tests are causing the autism. It's a conspiracy by Big Autist to make the world a quieter and more curious place. The railway companies are in on it too.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Also remember that we only had diagnostic tools for adult autism beginning in the 1980s.

    The rise of autism diagnosis does not necessarily equal a rise in autism.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Military spending also increased from 2000-2022, ergo military spending causes autism.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    10 out of a 1000 to 30ish out of a 1000 doesn’t even seem like a massive increase, especially if it’s really due to something like a pain medication that is taken by a huge population. Which it’s not as it’s more related to improvements in diagnosing.

    I guess they are just hoping people see bar go up and therefore bad.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I remember when my mum was filling out a form as part of the autism assessment, she was like "sounds a lot like my husband as well... And his dad"

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    It looks nepotism put a failson in charge of this graph.

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  • That's like saying we have more cancer now than in the past.

    Sure, that might be true in certain scenarios (we're very good at creating new ways to give ourselves cancer).

    The truth is that we're living longer, increasing the risk and likelihood of cancer, and we've gotten a LOT better at finding and diagnosing cancer and specific types.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This graph will live forever, in intro classes, as an example of how not to do things.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Im confused, it's got both axis labeled and seems pretty easy to read.

    Maybe points off for having the labels on the outside rim of the graphic.

    Doesn't change the fact that classification of autism also changed over those years, but the graph itself is okay.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    What? The line of best fit doesn't even touch the data.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I'm not saying the graph is the best graph ever, I'm saying it's far from the worst I've seen.

    Its also clearly not a line of best fit, as it isn't trying to "fit" the data. It's a trend line that's a vertically offset line from lowest to highest. It's a stupid line, but being used to convey how much growth their has been.

    The only real issue with this graph is the information/context being ommited. We know there is a lot more to the autism debate beyond just the rate of diagnosis.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I think the x axis is "year of measurement | year of birth" since they are 8 years apart. Very unconventional and it would need an explanation but it's not bad to have both pieces of information handy in this context

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Absolute nonsense graph. Buckle up, this shit is going to get way worse.

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    r/DataIsBlursed

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Can anyone decipher the graph for me?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    When they collected the data in 2000, about seven 8 year olds out of 1000 had autism. Those children were born in 1992.

    When they collected the data in 2002, about six 8 year olds out of 1000 had autism. Those children were born in 1994. This information was not labelled on the x axis.

    When they collected the data in 2004, about eight 8 year olds out of 1000 had autism. Those children were born in 1996.

    When they collected the data in 2006, about nine 8 year olds out of 1000 had autism. Those children were born in 1998. This information was not labelled on the x axis.

    When they collected the data in 2008, about eleven 8 year olds out of 1000 had autism. Those children were born in 2000.

    ... I'm too lazy to continue but ...

    When they collected the data in 2020, about twenty seven 8 year olds out of 1000 had autism. Those children were born in 2012.

    When they collected the data in 2022, about thirty two 8 year olds out of 1000 had autism. Those children were born in 2014. This information was not labelled on the x axis.

    I'm not positive i'm reading it right, but that's what I think they were trying to convey with this (terribly labeled) graph.

    eta: yeah, rereading the subtitle, those numbers and years make sense

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Any clue why there are 2 bars per year grouping?

    I thought it was maybe number of cases in each year, but 2000 at the beginning of the graph and when 2000 appears later don't match.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I think there's actually not 2 bars per year, but instead:

    • the first red bar = the year 2000
    • the second bar (which is not paired with another bar, and also, is not labelled at all) = the year 2002
    • the third bar = the year 2004
    • the fourth bar = the year 2006
    • and so on until the final bar, the twelfth one, = the year 2022

    The x axis increases by 2 years each entry.

    The number after the "|" is only meant to "helpfully" (and confusingly) tell you when those children were born. To take your example:

    • the data for the year 2000 is represented by the first red bar (7 per 1000 eight year olds had autism in 2000) and is labelled as 2000 | 1992 because those kids were born in 1992.
    • the data for the year 2008 is represented by the fifth red bar (11 per 1000 eight year olds had autism in 2008) and is labelled as 2008 | 2000 because those kids were born in 2000.
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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah Autism rates are going up in all groups because people are getting diagnoses. This is partly about better awareness but also partly about money - there is an incentive to expand the diagnosis, diagnose more people and treat more people, which somewhat muddies the water. Autistic Spectrum Disorder first appeared in the American DSM in 2012, unifying 5 existing conditions into one, and then it moved into the international ICD in 2018 (going live in 2022). It is no wonder awareness has gone up, and infrastructure for diagnosis has rolled out.

    We're not seeing an increase in Autism, we're seeing an increase in the diagnosis of autism. This graph just shows how stupid and dumbed down the CDC and the White House is under this cretinous president.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's probably more than just better diagnosis.

    "Advanced Parental Age" has a significant body of work behind it, and people are having kids quite a bit older than they used to, because... you know... gestures broadly at how fucked up the world is

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    My daughter's autistic and we were 39 (wife) and 42 (me) when we had her. OTOH, we were two years older and my son isn't autistic.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Statistical distributions suck, especially when we want a clear-cut cause-and-effect silver bullet. My only sister has two autistic sons, and my wife and I were 7 years older than she was when we had our son and he isn't autistic (as far as we can tell thus far).

    As a brother and uncle, I have incredible empathy for the desire and frustration to just get a clear answer on this. And I recognize these feeling however intense are orders of magnitude less than for a parent. It's not like lead or asbestos or thaledimide or radiation.

    Best we've got is a confluence of factors, not the least being family history knowing full well how bad diagnosis has been historically.

    It's so incredibly predatory to dump the science in the trash and just say "it was Tylenol all along".

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    we're seeing an increase in the diagnosis of autism.

    Absolutely.

    We're not seeing an increase in Autism

    Not sure about that. It can be both.

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