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[–] 56 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Wakanda is a monarchist enthnostate that tortures outsiders and even shows outright hostility to those helping them. Their leadership is determined by the most violent among them. And this society is presented a utopia.

I fucking hate these movies.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I tried watching the animated show recently, and its basically Wakanda throughout history stealing vibranium from other civilisations because they feel entitled to complete control over the element, usually with large amounts of colateral damage and theft of deeply important cultural artifacts in the process. I assume there's some alegory I'm missing but they just come off as assholes.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The framing suggests they're meant to be the good guys?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Not really. Unlike the Marvel movies, Wakanda in the comics is not a perfect utopia and has a lot of its own prejudice.

    Well... To put it differently, unlike the movies, Wakanda's prejudice isn't depicted as a fine and perfectly acceptable utopia.

    Keep in mind, in the comics, Storm from The X-Men is Wakandan royalty. She should be queen. But she got exiled from her homeland at a rather young age for being a mutant.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    Nah, they're morally grey/bad in Eyes of Wakanda. The point of the show is to explore how messed up their isolationism was. That's why the last episode is about

    spoilera time Traveller making sure that Killmonger spurs T'challa to finally end their isolationist policy so they don't doom themselves and the world.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The country is threatened by a villainous black liberation agitator and saved with the help of the CIA.

    They might as well have had Abdel Fattah El-Sisi play the lead role.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Don't need to jump all the way to Wakanda. Thanos is an eco terrorist. Ultron is a peace activist. Magneto is patterned after Malcolm X.

    The Marvel universe is the story of how a billionaire arms dealer and the US military save the world from deranged leftists. Disney heroes always fight for the status quo and the villains want to make things better (but also they're written to be crazy and violent). It's a billion dollar "I drew you as Soyjak and me as the chad" franchise.

    Walt Disney was a major force behind the Red Scare in Hollywood, turning in his own animators for unionizing, and they've been terrible ever since.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Thanos is an eco terrorist. Ultron is a peace activist. Magneto is patterned after Malcolm X.

    So much of this is modern to the MCU as well. What gets me about X-Men is how much racial profiling, ethic ghettos, and a hyper-militant police force played a roll in the original comic books (and 90s cartoon). Modem iterations boiled all that away and just made Magneto some angry asshole [survived the Holocaust].

    I will say... Magneto as a Zionist worked disturbingly well. But they'll never do that arc under the Disney brand.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I have never understood the appeal of marvel universe movies. It just always came across as bad world building.

    The whole reason super heroes with secret identities works is they are unique, and not a fundamental change to society.

    Having a world that's basically the same, with truck loads of super heroes makes no sense at all.

    I have seen only a handful of these movies.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Her opinions are old school mainstream. She's against the culture shift and if she existed decades ago, she's be more openly racist rather then transphobic.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "Alternative Facts" and opinions that do not correlate with reality (like the "opinion" that trans people or any other vulnerable group are in any way lesser beings or do not have the right to exist) are either mental derangement or straight up lies. and these lies are poisonous for communities and lead to to prejudice and violence, so they have to be called out and stopped whenever possible.

    Just like yours.

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  • [+] -34 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (11 children)
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    Nobody that starts to reply with WTF and LOL ever makes it worthwhile point.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Who gives a fuck if JK Rowling has a less than enlightened view on trans people? Like other than a passing fuck you on that JK rowling, is that what's really important here?

    If money and fame didn't equate political influence, then yeah, no-one would give a fuck about her personal opinions.

    As it is though, she's a billionaire who has helped fund and push through anti-trans (bathroom) legislation in the UK.

    JK Rowling backs protest over Scottish gender bill

    I read her posts about the issue and didn't find them in and of themselves that problematic if that was just some person's view. But, again, she's an influential billionaire who wants to push through laws which actively endanger trans people.

    I still like Harry Potter though, but I'm not gonna fund it in any way. And haven't, for like 20 years.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I do not know all the ins and outs, I do know she also opposed Scotland going for Independence which I think was a big mistake for them not to do. She obviously does not have the best opinions or analysis. Still though I think the reaction to her has been outsized to the amount of influence she would have had if not for being constantly attacked.

    These hedge fund douchebags quietly fund this stuff and cause way more damage than she does without mention for instance.

    There are no shortage of villains, and she is rather small potatoes. Also though it throws people into the arms of the far right over attacking a popular persona. She would not be meeting with Far Right figures or sponsoring legislation if not for an outsized vicious attack against her shitty opinions.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    She would not be meeting with Far Right figures or sponsoring legislation if not for an outsized vicious attack against her shitty opinions.

    Except worse because unlike the person in the comic, JKR actually has a lot of capital and influence.

    There are no shortage of villains, and she is rather small potatoes.

    Fuck and deride them all, don't be a slouch, don't turn a blind eye.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    She would not be meeting with Far Right figures or sponsoring legislation if not for an outsized vicious attack against her shitty opinions.

    "It's their fault that I hate them and actively fund legislation to make their existence harder and more dangerous. THEIR fault!"

    Oh cmon you're not even trying, Hector.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    One of my points was that she would not be so hard on the issue if she wasn't attacked so hard on the issue, outside the text for what she said. She originally said she didn't think trans women were women. While a shitty thing to say it is hardly deserving of the tidal wave of vitriol she received, obviously that's going to throw any person into the arms of those that would agree with them. I do not know all the ins and outs I do not follow entertainment news but she was over attacked while those actually pushing the anti-trans stuff went by unattacked. Throwing her into the arms of those that actually pushed the stuff to defend her.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    She's bringing her opinions to parliament and using them to kill people

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (7 children)
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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That is a good picture, I like that, I do not see how it fits here. Still is great though.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    She’s literally been denying the Holocaust killed trans people. She funded a court case that made it so that were I live in the UK, it would be illegal for me to piss in any public restroom.

    That’s like saying David Irving was “viciously attacked for having opinions out of the mainstream.”

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    She is not defending herself. She is attacking. She is funding hate groups with money.

    Fuck Joanne and her stupid wizard world. It’s all built on ideas of imperialism apologia anyway

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I’ve had a couple friends sprout bs like this.

    What I’ve done with them is I ask them to check her twitter out with me. If more than 7 of her most recent 10 tweets at any time aren’t anti trans bs I’ll agree with them that she’s defending herself.

    I’m gonna invite you to whenever you see this message go on her twitter and count. Then come back and tell me if she’s just defending herself or if she made it a huge part of her personality hating a minority.

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    [–] 34 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Well the funny part is that most of the "heroes" they sell are not really heroes, just defenders of a status quo america that never really existed

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    Zemo literally caused trillions of sentient beings all around the universe to get erased out of existence by fragmenting the Avengers.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He did not know Thanos was a thing.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Does it matter? Petty revenge still caused trillions of deaths. Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but I still think he would still have done it even if he knew about Thanos.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, it does mater. I don't see why he would see Thanos as anybody different then any of the heroes. The biggest genocide ever with a chance of Thanos surviving and living a life of peace and comfort on a far away planet? Plus it does not solve the issues because in all that chaos basically delivers the world to the most powerful.

    If they had done that it won't be for character reasons, just another attempt to tell the peasants that the establishment is important for 'safety'

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    It reminds me of a meme I recently saw of a preacher in front of a bunch of Indians, and he says "Before we came, you worshipped the SUN!"

    And one of the Indians says "Dude, the sun is real."

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    He has a point. It's ironic that the only piece of "evidence" most religions have is a book written by humans.

    Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever.... At least you can point and say, there it is.

    But Christianity is normal and not crazy at all, and believing in Ra is the crazy thing.... Sure. Yeah.

    I think it's all nuts. But whatever.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    the only piece of “evidence” most religions have is a book written by humans.

    Evangelism typically involves more than just a book. There's inevitably some amount of mysticism - faith healing, weather events that turn the tide of a pitched battle, communing with the dead, miraculous survival stories, straight up stage magic.

    Any belief in the sun/moon/stars/whatever… At least you can point and say, there it is.

    There's inevitably some kind of reverse causation in these faiths. Humans are constantly asserting they can manipulate the heavens with ritual and sacrifice.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    The only piece of evidence we have for a lot of things is a book written by humans

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    a lot of things.

    🤔

    Science doesn't work that way. There's provable and repeatable experiments and proofs that you can independently verify.

    Last time I checked most things that aren't metaphysical (like philosophy), have some relationship with science, and therefore, only requires that you go through the motions to prove it yourself by creating your own reproduction of an test/experiment/proof....

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Science only works for scientific claims. It cannot prove that my great grandfather was in a prisoner of war camp.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Last time I checked, people didn't found their core belief system around whether prisoners of war existed or not.

    Even so, there's tangible proof of him being there, by his physical body being there, when it happened. This can be proven by science. Obviously that's not able to be proven after he was released from the camp, and yes, we have to take the scribbles on a page to know it happened.

    I will give you that.

    For anything that is a universal truth, like gravity, chemistry, the properties of light, electricity, and all the principles behind electronics engineering, etc.... All of that is provable. Lived experiences, history, sure. We have to accept that what we're reading is true or not. But that's a choice.

    Science, which defines pretty much everything that's happening, why is happening, and how it can happen, is immutable.

    The idea of "God" has no basis more reliable than someone's report of it happening. For something so universal/omnipotent, the fact that the only "evidence" that it happened is in a book, yet this God has a plan for you right now, but you can't know it because God won't tell you, nor do anything outside of what physics/Science says can/will happen, isn't evidence of the existence of such a deity, regardless of what someone calls "God".

    All other things that exist, the forces that act on those things, and all of the possible outcomes of that thing existing can be proven by science. God cannot be proven, by science or otherwise.

    Even history, to some extent, can be proven, because the evidence still exists. You can visit auschwitz, and see where history happened from WW2. You can see the damage from bombs and gunfire in structures that were standing when conflicts happened. There's still evidence for a lot of that. And again, the same cannot be said for any book about any deity.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Well, yeah, this is like saying Santa Claus isn’t real lol

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Does Santa Clus support genocides?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Santa has an ethnicly homogenous slave workforce trapped in a secret location facing sub-zero work conditions and runs a global child surveillance system supporting an opaque punishment algorithm.

    There is no way he's a good guy.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • Both are old, bearded, and project a friendly, wise-grandfather image.

    Both lead a closed community with strict hierarchies.

    Both have elf slave labor.

    Both run surveillance operations: Dumbledore has the portraits, Fawkes, the Marauder’s Map (by proxy), and Santa has the Naughty-or-Nice list.

    Both maintain a mystique that disguises how much control they actually wield.

    However, I still think Santa is more likely to be evil.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (13 children)

    Basically every mainstream media is "We can't kill the villain"

    opens history book

    LMAO

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Bill Burr shot only.

    And speaking of Burr, I'm happy to hear he doesn't sell out to the MAGA bastards and will call out their bullshit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Burr continues Carlin’s legacy of walking around with both middle fingers up to society, he’s one of the few left I trust would take a deep inhale before shouting FUCK YOU! straight into the face of the big mango if they met

    Fuck you, piece of shit one bridge having city guy who bankrupted a casino

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This is why I loved the scene in F is for Family when Frank responds to the 'be the bigger and better person and let go' by straight up punching and knocking his abusive elderly dad after meeting up with him instead of burying the trauma further.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    People are looking for a left wing Rogan. But I think we have that with guys like Bur

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    The Gatekeepers on any sort of left moderation would have canceled the left wing Joe Rogan long before he can make a point.

    Bad faith, and or lazy, mean, etc rolled into online communities where anyone disagreeing with the consensus is labeled a bigot in bad faith and misunderstood on purpose...

    Our progressive champions, lazily misunderstanding what the community of bad faith pricks suggests. Great plan to take back america under that fine structure. It has worked so well until now! /s

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