Wish it was like this. But this is just cope.

Moved to proton pass a while ago. Bitwarden support is just shit.

You talk about it in this order with most of the time being focused on the A

Situation, Task, Action, Results.

Expecting answers in the STAR format is my number one complaint. No one talks like that.

They get a pass. If they are ever stranded in a deserted island and must kill to survive they get a pass too. Same for if they are about to starve and the only option is hunting a gazelle.

All the other vegans and I agree. We had a meeting.

That’s not even a rounding error in the amount of cruelty and murder we inflict upon animals though. The main concern right now is stop the senseless cycle of breeding little mutant animals in hellish conditions just to murder them at a young age. The scale of that dwarfs all other forms of animal abuse by a few orders of magnitude.

The Vegan Society defines veganism as a philosophy and way of living that seeks to exclude as far as is possible and practicable all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing, or any other purpose.

I feel like that is a good definition and a good way to go about it.

Pretty much.

Oof. It gets repetitive hearing the same arguments.

In modern society, almost all personal choices have victims, it's all connected.

This is the there’s no ethical consumption under capitalism argument.

True however there are degrees of difficulty and effect of your actions. Picking soy milk at a super market instead of milk takes barely no effort and has discernible good effects. Sure there’s also exploitation in the making of the soy milk. That’s a different issue. Which if you care enough I can also point you in the direction that I choose to combat that.

Evil existing isn’t a sensible moral justification for inflicting more evil into the world. Do your part to make the world a better place.

If you truly believe that statement applies 100% of the time

This is the let’s make this impersonal and ask “what do words even mean” argument.

Dont be obtuse is my answer to that.

For some, eating meat is life and death, through no fault of their own.

This is the “what if you were on a deserted island and there was only a single cow in it. Would you eat it” argument.

I’m not sure if your statement is true. But sure. If that is true. They get a pass. I’ve had a meeting with the other vegans. They all agree too.

That isn’t the case for me though. It isn’t for you either. It isn’t the case for the vast majority of people.

Maybe the Inuit had to 300 years ago. You have a Walmart near you. Be real.

Sounds like they’re just using AI efficiently to me but still doing their work and doing it well.

“Terrible things are happening outside. At any time of night and day, poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes. They’re allowed to take only a knapsack and a little cash with them, and even then, they’re robbed of these possessions on the way. Families are torn apart; men, women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared. Women return from shopping to find their houses sealed, their families gone.” — Anne Frank

Oh man. I could go on again about how it’s not because you can inflict violence that you should and that you’re justified doing so because you can. I’ve already mentioned that in the other reply to you.

So there are two more points I’d like to make.

1. Do you think there’s a possibility you’ve been propagandized to the point where critique of meat eating feels like a personal attack? Because if you notice I’ve been nothing but cordial to you while both your comments you tried to do personal attacks. “Go eat kale”, “limp wristed pacifism”, neither are accurate. But would you examine why you feel like resorting to that?

2. veganism is indeed much better for the environment. Cows are extremely thermodynamically inefficient. If you’re vegan you plant something you eat it and you get the calories you need. For animal farming you have to plant a bunch feed the cow. Plant more feed the cow. Do it for years and then kill the cow. Any argument of efficiency is an argument for veganism. Not against it. So no. Eating meat has a much worse quantifiable impact on the environment. Most studies put it at 10 to 20 times worse. Very easy to look up if you care enough.

And if you reply to this “what about hunting”, “what about roadkill”, “what about them natives” which are the usual retorts. I’d say who cares about any of that. That’s not even a rounding error in the total meat consumption we do as a species and total amount of unnecessary cruelty we inflict on animals.

Indeed. Great username btw.

You’re absolutely right. You currently can choose to do all of that.

But just because you can do something doesn’t mean that you should nor that doing the thing is the right thing to do right ?

You can also just as easily choose not to inflict violence and cruelty on those who can’t defend themselves.