“Terrible things are happening outside. At any time of night and day, poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes. They’re allowed to take only a knapsack and a little cash with them, and even then, they’re robbed of these possessions on the way. Families are torn apart; men, women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared. Women return from shopping to find their houses sealed, their families gone.” — Anne Frank
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I’m confused, cruise ships usually have all their work permits and stuff handled ahead of time for the crew. How can you be an illegal immigrant if you’re just working on a boat for a day and not staying here?
Because ICE don't give a fuck about facts. They have been arresting, incarcerating and murdering legal American citizens too. They have Trump and Vance's backing.
Like Wilson Fisk and the police except way more Beavis and Butthead without the good parts.
and MSM have basically stopped reporting it, likely to change the narrative when fox and grifter news decide to report on it, its just sound bytes for fox for years. "california,NYC is a hellhole, allowing illegal immigrants"-right wing news, and right wing youtubers.
As far as I know almost no cruise ships are actually American flagged vessels and therefore are perfectly able to directly employ foreign nationals without citizenship or US work authorization. They aren't even under the jurisdiction of ICE.
Disney ships are all Bahamanian flagged ships and have absolutely no obligation to employ American citizens.
Probably because ICE doesn't arrest illigal immigrants. They adbuct political dissidents.
They also abduct people who are the wrong color, are in the wrong place at the wrong time, and anyone else they feel like, it's not like they need to explain themselves at any point in the process.
they also look for victms, for pedophelia, or to rape women. they move most pregnant detainees they raped to a undisclosed texas location.
ICE had been abducting legal residents from the beginning. They camp out in front of immigration court houses... The last place you'd find an undocumented person.
Legality has nothing to do with it. It is super simple.
ABC didn't fire Jimmy Kimmel.The people on that ship are paying a high cost for that defiance. They are merely externalities for Disney's punishment. I suppose terrifying people is a nice side effect for those in charge. But retribution is the motivation.
Simple as that.
ABC is owned by Disney. Jimmy Kimmel works for ABC. Trump is getting revenge
Disney donates heavily to the gop to give them favors.
Yes revenge and maybe also mob tactics to strong arm compliance to fire Kimmel.
this is the correct analysis and it took way too much digging to find it
Because they want numbers not rights. The new leader of the agency said they would deport more people than any other period. (Trump hasn't even reached half of Obama peak deportation numbers.) when you try to deport every immigrant it slows the deportation of the violent ones.
Because they were arrested on CSEM related charges not for being illegal immigrants maybe?
Wait, these crew members were on a ship, not on US soil. US Customs and Immigration is on land which you have to pass through to get to the USA. ICE actually dragged them onto US soil just so they could say they were there illegally? WTF?!
Technically you need permission to dock. It means that the entire crew manifest was known to the government prior to arrival and they were given permission to dock. Then they were arrested. If there was a problem with them being in the US they should never have been given permission.
Apparently DCL registers its ships in the Bahamas. I don't know if ICE/CBP have jurisdiction on foreign ships without a bunch of warrants.
I know Disney's lawyers are well funded and ruthless, but does anyone think they'll go into bat for these people? They only seem to care about copyright infringement, not their actual workers.
This hurts the Disney image and the margins on their cruises, so they might.
ICE vs MICE
A high profile lawsuit might be seen as something which could also hurt their image. The entire population of The Villages would probably boycot Disney World. Hopefully Disney's execs pay attention to public opinion and not just their golf buddies.
I've done some work for Disney and the amount of effort that goes into the Disney image is astounding. It's the main thing they care about besides money although they are related.
If ICE shows they'll storm a foreign flagged cruise ship to abduct crew members, why would any passenger think they wouldn't also try to grab them, too?
Wearing an embroidered polo doesn't change your rights.
not their actual workers.
Are they even their "actual workers" or are they contractors?
(Read the tone as snark towards Disney for over using contractors and refusing to hire people, not at who I am replying to.)
It depends if the optics become so severe it’s impossible for them to ignore.
You think Disney are going to go to bat for people on CSEM charges? Can't see it myself.
Me neither. My question was expressing my doubt.
Well yeah "Disney helps free pedos" is not really a headline they're going to want.
Depends how "trumped up" those charges are.
If it's clearly and easily provable that it's bogus, they might fight back.
If it becomes a big enough embarrassment they'll respond.
They seem to think they have jurisdiction in AMERICAN CITIZENS’ HOUSES without a judicial warrant; surely foreign ships are considered gimmes.
Even if the workers aren't eligible to enter the US, it should only be an issue if they disembark
Normally all people on a ship have to go through immigration at the first port the ship stops at in a country. Everyone has to go through the immigration process, whether they say they plan to go ashore or not.
That include passengers, crew and ship's officers.
ICE actually dragged them onto US soil just so they could say they were there illegally?
Oh you sweet summer child: ICE has already executed American citizens in broad daylight (on camera) for exercising their constitutional rights. Why would laws matter now?
I'm not talking about laws. I'm talking about their supposed mandate to deport those in the US illegally. These folks on the ship weren't even in the USA so there was no need to take them into the USA to deport them.
There's also plenty of people in the US legally they have detained and deported / have killed.
Their mandate is racism, control, and projecting power.
The handful of cruises I've been on you pass through CBP immediately after getting off the ship.
I'm thinking these crew members couldn't get their I-95's and got deported
I'm thinking nobody bothered to check the paperwork and they just grabbed some people that weren't "white enough".
That's not how it works.
Any ship in any country 's territorial waters is subject to that country's laws.
I wonder how the Mickey takes his whiskey? Neat?
When corporations start bleeding profits bc of the terrible tangerine pedo, maybe they’ll start caring
Brown people? Not on my watch -ICE
They actually love brown people. They want their cheap labor and this stuff keeps people afraid and makes them keep their head down. It has the added benefit that they get to parade it around to their electorate like 'something is being done'
It's theater to keep poor white people in fly over states from realizing that the people in power are the ones selling them out and have been the entire time.
“Just” theater.
Such privileged hot takes.
They didn't say it was just theater. Interpreting it as theater is a privileged take, but I think it's also true that one of the motivations of this horror show is to indulge the racism of the MAGA base to distract them from how they're getting fucked over by this administration too.
Multiple things can be true at once.
For a ton of people it is theater.
ICE isn't showing up in their neighborhood or at their work place. Their only experience with that shit is on the news or tiktok and it's in a state they don't live in and have never been to.
The Disney Magic is Bahama flagged. This is not US territory and ICE has no right to be on it what sort ever.
Hahaha, look at that guy thinking the law has any meaning in the US of A.
Sure it has meaning! All us peasents have to follow them.
It's just not relevant to the king and his thugs.
When a ship docks in a foreign country, the vessel and everyone on it enter that nation's "internal waters". Because of this, the crew is physically located on that country's soil (or, more accurately, its territorial jurisdiction), meaning local laws apply to them.
Not how it works. It was stopped in US waters and so was subject to local jurisdiction.
Not how it works. By your logic, ice can detain all personell on every vessel that docks in us? Bulk carriers, tankers, sea container? People who won't set foot on us soil. send a boat, get your crew kidnapped. That's going to go over well.
Well, yes. That is how international law stands.
Well, in this case it is how local law works.
So, what was the crime again?
LMAO, I love it when conservatives pretend to care about "the law" when they support politicians who use it as toilet paper.
By “conservative” I assume you mean “someone who checked the laws” rather than referring to economic or social taste.
No, they mean an idiot supporting this behavior because ICE did it. ICE did it so its legal!
I will say ships in US ports flying US flags are subject to our laws, but nothing justifies the psychotic brutality of the brownshirts. It may have been legal behavior, but the death penalty was also legal (nationally) at one point. Its about the weight of the response. We didnt use butterknives for executions, and people shouldnt be attacked, be forced to follow contradictory commands, strung in weird positions with zip ties, kidnapped and disappeared, etc. Being brown doesnt mean you should be slammed in a concentration camp ICE holding facility.
You haven't even cited a law that's been violated yet.
Never said any were. I was correcting someone who thought ships weren’t under US jurisdiction.
They have the ability to board US boats flying US flags in (and out) of US ports for the purpose of enforcing the law. Well, local law enforcement can, and specific government organizations. Not ICE, though. They arent a government organization that was created and fully defined by congress. Making a govt organization isnt snapping fingers and pouring money into a black hole.
Even if they were an organization with the required credentials to execute local, national, and maritime law, they didnt have a reason to attack anyone. Zilch.
So your telling me I can wave a flag and laws don't matter in port?
What law was being broken here? That employees from a foreign ship aren't US citizens?
Possession of CSEM?
Yeah, I saw and that it sure feels like a total BS after-the-fact justification considering these were immigration agents who don't investigate those kinds of crimes, these people aren't in US jurisdiction so how did they even show up on their radar, and they apparently boarded a second ship from Holland and claimed those crewmembers were also part of this same alleged ring. What are the odds that all these people working on different ships from all over the world all happen to be part of a single CSAM ring and they all happened to be in a single port at the exact same time? Seems like you'd be more likely to win the Powerball two times in a row.
Whatever dumb shit they cooked up. You completely missed the point.
What was the point? You're making a strawman claiming that "laws don't matter in port" yet can't even establish what immigration law was supposedly broken by foreign workers working on a foreign ship who hadn't even stepped foot on US soil.

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