Transcription: I Just Found Out that My Child's History Teacher is Forcing Them to Learn About Antifa Leaders. What is this Country Coming to?

Wikipedia page on Anti-fascism, listing Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Charles de Gaulle as Counterrevolutionary Anti-fascism examples


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism


PS: Don't worry, today (9/17/2025) is the day that the house committee deliberates on Macro Rubio's ability to use the people's freedom of speech as evidence of terrorist organisation aid.

H.R. 5300, SEC. 226. NO PASSPORTS FOR TERRORISTS AND TRAFFICKERS

So it's just a matter of time before all the Antifas are sent to concentration camps.


PPS: Sorry everyone, looks like this post got too many upvotes and influenced American politics.

Trump says he’s designating Antifa as a terrorist organization

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[–] 84 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Im so confused. Are real people out there openly in favor of “fascism”?

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  • [–] 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Some people are openly fascist, yes. Thanks to the stupid fucking Jubbilee VS videos, I now know the depths of human stupidity are more boundless than I imagined.

    However, I think this person just can't connect the dots that being anti-anti-fascism is just being pro-fascism. They don't actually think about the words they use, their meaning or their context. They just know that "antifa" is a left wing group, and left-wing, of course, bad, obviously. And since "antifa" stands for "anti-fascism", anyone that are "anti-fascists", including historical figures who lived and fought fascism well before the Antifa group existed, are the same as this modern group, and therefore left-wing, which, again, bad. They don't then take the next step in logic to, "if the anti-fascists were bad for opposing fascism, then fascism must be good. Praise Mussolini." Again, some do get there, but most are just thoughtless dum-dums.

    It reminds me of when you ask people "If you are driving 80 miles PER HOUR, how long will it take for you to drive 80 miles?" And then they start guessing random shit or trying to logic it out or do math instead of just understand what the hell is being said. Weird mental gymnastics ensue that just demonstrate their complete lack of understanding.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What are you confused about? The current US administration is very openly fascist.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, but they don't call it that. Nazis and fascism are "bad," regardless of how perfectly they embody their ideology.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They pretty much reinvented it from conservatism. It's like carcinization, crustaceans evolving into crabs, but various right-wing flavors evolving into fascism.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There are real people out there that have no idea what fascism is. They think it's a movement that will ensure they have a stable job and that will just gently ensure that people with colored skin stay out.

    They'd be fairly innocent if it wasn't for the rampant racism

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Nearly half of America seems to be although I'd argue they're too stupid to even realize it.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They are like "nuh uh. You're the facist." When you read them the definition of the word they say google changed it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's so fucking infuriating... The very same "facts over feelings" group will deny the veracity of any fact provided unless it comes directly from their propagandist of choice...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    People seem to have forgotten that the core conceit of George Orwell's 1984 isn't the surveillance state or the constant war or the two minutes hate and all the rest. It's the idea that by perverting what people even understand as truth you can get them to do anything.

    Anti-fascists are Fascists, criticising someone who spouted hate speech is hate speech, anti-racism is racist.

    The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    More charitably we can say half the population trusts their tribal influencers to know what they are doing.

    Before you go condemning them all, the tribal influencers telling people The Establishment Democrats know what they are doing or also misleading people. And people still do not seem to realize it.

    Everyone trusts the wrong people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This really feels like a polite way of trying to both sides that people who are bigoted assholes are exactly the same as people who dislike bigoted assholes.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I disagree, i don't think the person above is saying both sides are the same in terms of policy. But that both sides are being looked at as smart, impactful leaders that know how to play the game of politics.

    Moderate liberals have elected people that they consider to be smart moderate liberals and they trust them to do the right thing. But a moderate liberal solution to actual fascists taking over the government is not an appropriate response. Just ask the social Democrats of the Weimar Republic.

    My mom says that this is great because this is what she voted for, and she is always right!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    yes or they cant put together antifa is short for anti facist

    edit: spelling

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    tbf you can't put too much trust in a name either. the nazis weren't exactly socialist, despite calling themselves "national socialists".
    i think the problem arises because people think that antifa is a single entity (hence e.g. antifa member) like the nazis, rather than antifa being closer to a political descriptor like "leftist" or "anti-capitalist"

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Just another word going through the right wing meaning-mangling-machine.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    People need to stop letting rightards redefine words. Whenever I hear someone railing about antifa I show them this picture and ask which side are they on. I'm not some edgelord in a trenchcoat with a fedora either. It actually makes them stammer and back out of that position in a fucking hurry.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Hey the image isn’t loading for me for lemmy related reasons, what’s the picture of?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    You joke but we are looking at a whole rewrite of History, multiple times over depending on State. States like Tennessee already made it illegal to teach any history that makes someone feel uncomfortable. That was years back.

    It will be an easy transition because they don't really teach history anyway. Back in the seventies that used to teach history, by the '80s and '90s they did not in any real way and had a very cursory and manipulated history they taught.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    I joke so I can make people feel an emotional connection to what is actually happening around them as they acknowledge the cognitive dissonance and reality.

    Um...I mean...terrorists identified by Marco Rubio don't deserve passports

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    There's a thread on /r/ conservative right now. It's fucking amazing. They are out of their goddamn Minds. They're all celebrating that finally Donald Trump is brave enough to Outlaw this obvious terrorist organization that's responsible for billions of dollars in property damage. That's right billions of dollars. They think antifa is caused billions of dollars of property damage. They're out of their goddamn Minds.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Keep in mind I can run an LLM that can churn out the low effort comments that sub is known for on 2 year old gaming hardware.

    It's one of the problems with social media now (including this one)

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    [–] 24 points 1 year ago

    my outlook is that antifa is active antihate. to be anti antifa is to be pro hate, pro fascist, pro genocide

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Don't worry, today (9/17/2025) is the day that the house committee deliberates on Macro Rubio's ability to use the people's freedom of speech as evidence of terrorist organisation aid.

    H.R. 5300, SEC. 226. NO PASSPORTS FOR TERRORISTS AND TRAFFICKERS

    So it's just a matter of time before all the Antifas are sent to concentration camps.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    DOA in the Senate, if it even gets that far.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sorry liberal, Republicans have 53 seats in the Senate.

    We are going to own the libs and Antifa by making them our slave labor source.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They need 60 votes in the Senate to pass this, doofus.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It takes 50 votes + VP to change the rules, and rule change is immune from filibuster.

    Or the VP can just overrule the senate parliamentarian, they only never did that because "norms and traditions".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I know. But they don't want to get rid of the filibuster. The Republicans in the Senate are much less in sync with Trump than House Republicans. Since they're too chickenshit to really stand up to him, the filibuster allows the Democrats to do the work of denying cloture, and Republicans get to avoid the threats that come with openly defying him.

    The VP can override the parliamentarian, but the Senate can override the VP's override. And it's worth pointing out that the Senate is very protective of its norms and traditions against outside influence, even now.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It literally is just a shortened form of anti-fascist.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Oh brother, 1984's doublespeak

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  • It's shorter than saying you're exclusively pro-do, pro-re, pro-me, pro-so, pro-la, and pro-ti.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If you think that antifascists are your enemy I have news for you.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Do liberals actually consider Churchill Antifa?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    By the strictest definition, I guess I can see it. He opposed Hitler, the most visible fascist of the 20th century, so he's an anti-fascist.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Yeah but it wasn't out of virtue. He didn't oppose German fascism because it was an immoral and ruthless ideology. He opposed it because it was a threat to Britain's power and influence. He was famously antisemitic and capitulated to the reich until the moment it became impossible to do so.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Gave the Nazis a lot of support because they were going after socialists and Communists and that was the big fear of the industrialists. Instead of some moderate reform they got to deal with a supreme leader that started a world war.

    Thwy might have been better off with moderate reform than world war the rich.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah but by that definition Hitler was a socialist!

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Anyone who thinks a state leader of one of the most destructive empires in modern human history is not fascist...

    This is the same empire that tried to destroy evidence of global wrongdoing in what they called Operation Legacy.

    Ultimately, the Germans were just a bit fascist-er.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm designating Love of Bell Peppers as a terrorist organization

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Krasnov wants his Auntie Flo deported but he's been slurring his words as his latest shipment of SpaceX Cocaine was delayed.

    as a side note:
    would you say it's time to become juggalos?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Where is this groups website? Can I register to get their newsletter?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    It means that they can now have posts like this: https://old.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/1nk8xm0/antifa_is_recognized_as_a_terrorist_group_in_the/

    If your comment is called out as antifa, doesn't matter if you have anything to do with supporting anti-fascists or not, it will add to a report count, one that can be made to be a very big number and has a pseudo legal premise Trump federal agencies WILL go after and which MAGA's Supreme Court WILL back up. It is a Gleichschaltung moment.

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