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Which game do you think really deserves a proper remaster? (piefed.social)
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[–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

  • Deus Ex - I love it, and the concept, story and writing would hold up well, it just feels old and clunky. The voice acting is beyond bad. It was an ambitious undertaking to have FPS, RPG and stealth all in one game but as a result the game doesn't excel at any of them. A Nightdive style remake would be absolutely incredible.

  • Dark Souls - This will be controversial and I know it was already remastered, but a full on proper remake would be very intriguing. The first 2/3rds of the game are phenomenal, but in the latter stages it often feels like the levels are just thrown together and rushed. Going back and fixing these - as well as modernizing the bosses - would be my dream ideal FromSoft game.

  • Jade Empire - The most forgotten and underrated Bioware game, but one I really love. I have no expectations as there probably isn't a market for something with that little brand recognition, but it would be amazing to see it introduced to a new generation of gamers. The combat has a very solid foundation and could probably be refined too into something really excellent. One can dream.

  • No One Lives Forever 1&2 - I tried playing this recently as it's a known classic and critic's darling, and while the setting and style is amazing and the writing is kinda fun it plays like absolute ass. And of course certainly shows its age visually. It's too bad no one knows who owns the rights to it so it will never happen.

  • KOTOR 1&2 - The prince that was promised. So sad the remake was killed off, if any game needs a remake it's KOTOR, especially the mess that is the sequel.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Another vote for NOLF 1/2!

    Back in the day those games were an absolute delight. A fresh lick of paint and some modernisation would be amazing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You can go back and play them again right now if you want, they're available on nolfrevival and since nobody knows who owns the rights to them nobody is bothering to contest the copyright.

    The gameplay does not hold up well. I still have it installed and will make another attempt to get through it at some point but it was not particularly fun to play. Many old FPSes do feel terrible nowadays in truth, we've come a long way in that particular genre and such a large part of the enjoyment of those games is in the feel of the gunplay itself - which has typically aged like milk.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    If they modernized Dark Souls and fixed the last third of the game it might be the greatest game ever made. I adore Dark Souls but it is so dated. It’s hard to recommend it to someone honestly. After Shadow of the Erdtree came out and I beat it a few times I decided to revisit Dark Souls, and holy shit it felt old. I still love it to death but it was kinda brutal. The DLC is considerably better but still very dated. Compare Kalameet with Bayle and you’ll see just how far they’ve come. No hate on Kalameet though, he’s the OG tough as nails dragon boss. Still a highlight of the series for me, just very dated.

    If we’re talking about new FromSoft content in general though I’m still holding out for more Sekiro content like a sequel or DLC (shut up, yes, I know, just let a man dream). Give me some Tomoe content. I wanna fight or learn more about her. And I want more gameplay with that fight system. It remains my favourite gameplay of any game ever. I still prefer Elden Ring + DLC as a game in general, but purely gameplay-wise Sekiro remains #1 and we need more like it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I still think DS1 is the best place to start if you've never played a Soulslike. It's really your only chance to get the full best impression as coming back to it after playing Elden Ring or something your reaction to most of the bosses will be "... that's it?". If it's your first soulslike they'll feel epic. And it's really not that unapproachable, just tell people to take it slow and use a shield, and ask you for directions if they get stuck somewhere.

    I still have yet to play Sekiro, I need to tackle it some day but it honestly intimidates me. Several parts of DS3 and ER already felt like it were pushing against my skill ceiling in a way that was unfun and in Sekiro you can't even cheese or grind or rely on gimmicks. I'm fairly certain I'll not be able to finish it, and I won't enjoy bashing my head against it until I give up and feel like a useless sack of shit.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    If someone plans on playing the whole series then yes, start with DS1. But if they just want to pick up a game and heard Souls games are really fun, I don’t think the first one would convince them to check out the rest of the series unless they really enjoyed it, and I think later games are more approachable for beginners.

    That’s totally fair, it’s not for everyone, and that’s okay. It used to be my favourite game ever, and is probably my #2, but I find it difficult to recommend to a lot of people because it is definitely a steep learning curve and is even harder if you’re used to Dark Souls. There’s no dodging (well there sort of is but it’s more of a repositioning) and instead you need to rely on parrying everything. And like you said, there’s no gimmicks or anything, you simply have to get good at the very specific playstyle or you won’t have a good time. But if you do get good at it, it feels amazing to play. Just out of curiosity, what pushed your limits in DS3 and ER?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    What makes the later games more approachable? I could maybe see an argument for DS3 being more accessible since it's essentially linear, but at the same time it's significantly harder. Basically anyone can beat DS1 in my opinion, absolute worst case you can wear full Havel's and just facetank everything and flask through the damage. You can poise tank Manus's full wombo combo and just outheal the damage.

    I've never been great at rhythm games and I feel like I'm getting on in years and my reflexes aren't going to get any better. Knowing I have no recourse but get good is scaring me off Sekiro. In Elden Ring of course Malenia was a slugfest, I hated Valiant Gargoyles and Godskin Duo. In general I hate gank fights in FromSoft games, they're almost never done well. I needed some time with Hoara Loux and Radagon and Elden Beast was an absolute fuckfest. I played on release so couldn't use Torrent, no idea if that made it better or not.

    In DS3 nothing in the base game felt bad, all the bosses felt fine and some of my favourite FromSoft bosses are in there. Dancer might be my favourite but Soul of Cinder is such a fun fight - although way too easy for a final boss. (EDIT: and Abyss Watchers of course.) Sister Friede however almost took my sanity and I never finished the Ringed City DLC because after Demon Princes I decided I needed a break as I wasn't having fun and just never got back to it. I assume Midir and Gael are too hard for me anyway if I struggled with Demon Princes.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I feel like DS3 before you reach Irithyll is pretty tame for a Souls game. Once you reach Irithyll it definitely gets harder than DS1 ever was, but by that point you probably are at least okay at the game. The beginning of DS3 is a lot easier imo than the beginning of DS1, plus it’s a more polished game in general and looks and feels nicer so I could see a newbie pushing through more with 3. ER is definitely the easiest to get into as a newbie though. Spirit summons make fights a lot easier since aggro is split between you and the boss, without increasing boss health like you’d get with NPC summons, and the open world lets you just fuck off and do whatever to avoid a boss until you’re better, or skip the boss entirely depending on who it is. It definitely ramps up the difficulty end-game, and the DLC is probably the hardest content they’ve ever released (though it’s also the best imo), but the first portion of the game is way easier and more beginner-friendly than DS1.

    Fair, you need pretty good reflexes to get good at Sekiro. The nice thing about it is once it clicks it gets far easier, but it’ll probably take several hours to reach that point and up until then, it’s going to be a very steep learning curve. Not to say it becomes an easy game by any means, but it’s no longer an uphill battle anymore. It’s still a FromSoft game and has their signature difficulty, and the final boss is still one of the hardest fights they’ve ever made, but it becomes a fair challenge at that point. The first part before it clicks for you will feel unfair and brutal.

    I’ve always been better at humanoid bosses than monster bosses so I didn’t actually struggle that much with Malenia, plus I usually use the biggest weapon I can find in any game and she has practically zero poise so I staggered her a ton, but I agree on gank bosses. Godskin Duo can fuck right off, that’s one of the worst bosses they’ve ever done imo. Just trying to recreate what O&S were in DS1 while apparently forgetting what made that fight so good. Weirdly enough my hardest and most hated boss in ER (other than Duo) is Astel, which sucks because it’s a cool design and blocks progress of Ranni’s questline, but any time I die it feels unfair and any time I win it feels like luck. I don’t get that feeling with any other fight. As for Elden Beast, most of my wins against him were before they added Torrent in that fight and I agree, it wasn’t great. I have fought him with Torrent though and it makes it so much better. It’s seriously night and day. It’s still not a good fight, but it’s far less terrible now. I wish it was a better fight, it’s such a cool design and the lore is really interesting.

    Dancer is my favourite from DS3 too. She was my favourite boss fight ever until Shadow of the Erdtree, which holds my top three favourite bosses now, and brought Dancer down to #4. Sister Friede is another favourite of mine, though I never found her as tough as most of the community. I’ve only played that DLC twice though so maybe I got lucky both times. Demon Princes weren’t very fun for me, but the DLC bosses got better. Gael is awesome, though I had the same situation as with Friede, finding him a lot easier than the community, but Midir is tough as nails and is the only boss I’ve never beaten. I still can’t get him even past half health. Like I mentioned before I find monster bosses harder than humanoid bosses so that could be part of it, though I found Bayle to be tough but fair.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    DS3 is smoother and more polished, and the linearity means you don't risk going Catacombs or New Londo first, that's true. But I think DS3 gets hard way before Irithyll. All the bosses are harder than anything in DS1 and Iudex Gundyr could be a roadblock right off the bat. (Oh I forgot to mention, I really liked Champion Gundyr too as a boss.) Anyway I guess Asylum Demon could be a roadblock too if they don't realise you are supposed to run past him at first. But the first couple of areas really aren't that bad. Take it slow and keep a shield up when you round every corner and you'll be alright through almost all of it. The only real problem I see early on is Capra Demon. I guess the basilisks are a bit of a gotcha.

    I personally found a lot of challenges in the early areas of DS3. Felt like there were lots of roll catches and annoying enemies, like the Lothric Knights. Road of Sacrifices into Farron Keep felt like absolute ass and were awful areas, those crow enemies were hard to deal with and unfun to fight, and likewise the jumping goats in Farron Keep.

    If by monster bosses just oversized bosses count then I can get behind it. There are several that come to mind where you fight the camera more than the boss and get hit by things from offsceen while exasperatedly yelling "I can't fucking see anything Miyazaki!" at the screen.

    Sister Friede was just incredibly hard and also having incredibly long Phase 1 and 2 which made trying to learn the difficult Phase 3 take forever and felt like just disrespectful of my time. Felt like every attempt would take 10 minutes to get through the first two phases only to get one-shot instantly in phase 3. Absolutely hated it.

    If even you can't beat Midir I might just keep postponing it. I still have my save lying around but it's been a while and I'm kind of on a Ninja Gaiden kick at the moment as difficult games go.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I feel like if you can beat Gundyr you can at least struggle through the first part of the game. I agree the Road of Sacrifices to Farron Keep is pretty rough but it’s also pretty easy to run straight through. Even if you don’t know the way it’s not too convoluted. Once you reach Irithyll though it gets considerably harder, especially boss-wise. Pontiff is a nightmare if you can’t parry. Conversely, all the bosses before him are relatively straightforward, even if a little hard. But with a few attempts I don’t think it’s a severe challenge quite like Pontiff is. From that point on it’s pretty tough the rest of the way though, with a couple minor exceptions.

    I’d say Midir and Gael are kind of like Kalameet and Artorias. Whichever you found harder in DS1 will probably carry over to DS3. I found Kalameet way harder, and I also find Midir way harder. Artorias, while challenging, was a lot easier to me, just like Gael. You can also challenge Gael without fighting Midir. Midir is completely optional, just like Kalameet.

    If you haven’t already, you should give the ER DLC a try. It’s probably their best content to date. It’s definitely harder than the base game, but like the base game, you can cheese it if you need to. The only exception is the final boss, who is only really possible if you cheese it, and even then is tremendously difficult. But the rest of the DLC is a fair challenge and really fun.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah Pontiff was a weird parry check, felt impossible before I tried parrying and then got it in like two tries.

    Honestly in DS1 DLC I didn't struggle with either Kalameet or Artorias. Artorias is one of my favourite bosses, just such cool lore and design and such a fun fight - but sadly anticlimactically easy. Manus though was a challenge I thought.

    Realistically I am more likely to try Sekiro than the ER DLC honestly. It's weird but Elden Ring just never truly grabbed me. Played it on release and had a great time with it discovering it like uncharted territory but after finishing it it felt like a one-and-done. Haven't had the desire to play it again or watch others play it, despite enjoying watching people stream Dark Souls still.

    Also my backlog is criminally long as it is, and yet I keep buying games every deep sale.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We’re definitely different players, I found Artorias and Kalameet far harder than Friede or Malenia.

    That’s fair. I’m a massive ER fan, probably my all-time favourite game, I’m actually currently playing it while responding to my inbox. I’ve maxed out playthroughs on PC and deleted some for new runs, plus I have played it several times on PS5, so I’m thinking maybe 15-20 times I’ve beaten the game. I think the DLC is the best content they’ve ever released. But if you were meh on the base game you probably wouldn’t like it as much as I did.

    I feel you on the backlog though, mine is quite large and only getting worse. I really need to play some unplayed games but I keep replaying Souls and Elder Scrolls games. Oh well.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    After many years when I was younger playing the same games over and over I've tried to be stern with myself over the past few years and have a reasonably strict no-replay policy. I too default to comfort food if I let myself and constantly feel the pull to go back to Baldur's Gate 2, Fallout: New Vegas or STALKER: Anomaly again and again. But I've been challenging myself with trying to experience new things as a sort of cultural enrichment and mostly been happier for it. There were so many huge releases I missed that I've been able to experience over the past couple of years.

    It definitely is harder on the wallet though, even doing 90% of the shopping on deep sales.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I should probably implement a similar system. Elden Ring, Dark Souls 1 & 3, Sekiro, Oblivion, and Skyrim probably take up >90% of my all-time playtime. At the same time, I’ve got a strong itch to replay Sekiro again so maybe after one more playthrough of that.

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    • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)
    • Golden Sun Trilogy
    • New Vegas
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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    Golden Sun would really benefit from a remaster. A higher resolution and better sound quality will make it more enjoyable.

    As for New Vegas, I like it, but I like Fallout 3 more for the atmosphere.

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    • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Freelancer

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    [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)
    • Final Fantasy 6
    • Chrono Trigger

    The latter had an awesome fan made 3D remake called Chrono Resurrection and then Square sent a C&D and shut it down.

    FF6 would be amazing as a 3D remake as long as they didn’t try to do the “let’s divide it into 3 games and change things up!” Like they did with 7.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    FF6 is my favourite but I will personally travel to Japan and fight to the death before letting the Nomura-Najima "dream team" get their hands on it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "Proper" remaster is the important qualifier, here. Also, we will know Final Fantasy 6 has a proper remaster when everyone realizes that 6 was a masterpiece that 7 only overshadows in length. Final Fantasy 6 packs so much into each moment and has such a diverse lineup of characters that 7 feels more drawn out with more filler to compete. Also 6 has better combat. I said it.

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    • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Heretic and Hexen, give them the Doom 2016 treatment. I would play the hell out of that

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    • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    A proper Morrowind remake a la Oblivion Remastered would be awesome. It’s a fantastic game but painfully dated. A fresh coat of paint and some modernizations (not too many though) would be amazing.

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    • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Jade Empire for sure, maybe Need For Speed Underground 2.

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    • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    • Fable: The Lost Chapters (no, the anniversary edition does not count)
    • The Last Story
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    • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Megaman Legends.

    Incredibly well made for its time and a modern remaster would help breathe new life into the basically dead megaman franchise.

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Disciples 2 and I want a proper sequel (we don't talk about disciples 3)

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    [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Pong. It's got no unlocks. No achievements. No ranks. And it only supports 2 players. At least add a bot.

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    • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Descent: Freespace, The original Heavy Gear, Tribes 2, Mechwarrior 2.

    Descent: Freespace especially. At the time that thing was awesome and so easy to mod. I remember someone was making a fantastic Babylon 5 mod for it that I dont' think ever saw the light of day.

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    • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Total Annihilation (best RTS);Little Big Adventure 2.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Actually it seems to have been released already, on GOG:

    Twinsen is back in this remake featuring a new stylish makeover and modernized gameplay. Faithful to the original game, Little Big Adventure – Twinsen’s Quest takes you on an epic journey on a small planet harboring both magic and technology.

    https://www.gog.com/en/game/little_big_adventure_twinsens_quest

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I love LBA2. It's one of those games that makes me feel justified in my scorn of many others. That is to say there were many games of the era that had me asking "That's it? Where's the rest of the game?"

    LBA2 didn't have that problem. A glorious open world, gorgeous isometric interiors. Adventure. Comedy. Progression. Multiple ways to approach problems. Space travel!

    Very French, in a good way.

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    • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    • I want OpenMW but with the improvements from Skywind.

    • Some of the Star Trek point-and-click adventure games (25th Anniversary Game, Judgement Rites, TNG A Final Unity, etc.)

    • I can't decide if Tyrian deserves a remaster, or if it's so good it doesn't even need one.

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Jak & Daxter!

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura. The original has a lot of technical issues, and has essentially become abandonware. However, it's still easily one of Troika's greatest cRPGs, so it's a real shame that it's just being left to languish. The underlying game is interesting enough that I think a fresh coat of paint and some new audio would do a lot to bring in a new generation if players, but would really love if a team of fans were willing to bring it back even better than before.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's a good shout, but I played it for the first time earlier this year and let me tell you - that game needs more than just a fresh coat of paint to appeal to a modern gamer.

    Like all Troika games it had amazing potential and occasionally glimmers brilliantly, but had godawful execution and often plays like dogwater.

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    • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I would love to see a remastering of Star Ocean: Till the End of Time.

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    We need God Hand HD (a la Okami HD) for PC and modern consoles.

    I'd also like to see some PS2 classics get remasters:
    The Nightmare Before Christmas: Oogie's Revenge
    Ghost Rider
    10,000 Bullets
    Gungrave
    Shinobi
    Bujingai
    Genji: Dawn of the Samurai

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    A lot of PS2 games have graphics that aged poorly. Too many developers thought shades of brown and gray equals realistism.

    Okami was a good exception, unique art direction that was colourful and stylish. Too bad I didn't enjoy the gameplay (I couldn't get past the extremely long intro and tutorial).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah, I don't blame you. It's my least favorite Kamiya game, but it's a fun Zelda-like, and the Celestial Brush mechanic eventually gave birth to the Wonder Liner in The Wonderful 101, so I'll always have a soft spot for it because of that.

    I hope Okami 2 is a proper action game, or at least a Zelda-like with more engaging combat.

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    • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Others have already said KotOR and Golden Sun, so lemme think.

    Sid Meier's Pirates! could use one. Well. A second remaster I guess!

    Mail Order Monsters was cool! Custom built monsters! Could do so much more now with it.

    The Spore we were promised, alas alas.

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    [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My list:

    • Fallout 3 (the same treatment as Oblivion Remastered)
    • Final Fantasy 7 (I hate the remake, give me a proper HD remaster without changing the gameplay or story)
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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    same as oblivion remaster

    I hated the oblivion remaster. The changes to the leveling system made it way too easy to level up, and it was still inundated with bugs, despite being 19 years old and having a fan base that already fixed all the bugs. Not to mention, the UI was broken and buggy as fuck for a lot of the menus in the game (alchemy was particularly frustrating to deal with). Changes to combat meant a literal dagger was S tier and you were throwing the game if you used a greatsword.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago

    I actually haven't played the remaster. I play the original with mods instead, because I wanted to tweak the enemy level scaling, and I prefer the colour palette of the original.

    I just feel that Fallout 3 with better graphics would be great. I hope they won't mess up the gameplay.

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    • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Hogs of War - it's something like Worms in 3D, but from all the way back in 1998. The PS1 game works fine, but the PC release was bugged with enemy AI not moving at all.

    Team Buddies - really fun action game on the PS1, could shine with 4v4 multiplayer on the internet

    Jazz Jackrabbit - Bigger resolution at least, with more of the level being visible at any time. Modern controller support would also be awesome.

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Thief 1 and 2

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    • Bubble Bobble (original NES)

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Armored Core 4 really struggled on release. I'd love to see it get rebuilt for modern hardware and let it shine.

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Ace Combat 4, 5, and Zero.

    Logistically, it’d be a piece of cake. They still look gorgeous, and play great; basically all they really need is to render in UHD and swap some assets, though some of the cloud prettiness of the newest Ace Combat would be nice.

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don't have many games for me in that. Would love a Fallout 2 remaster, something that improves the visuals, and adds some QoL improvements, but keeps the game the way it is.

    Was happy with Diablo 2 remake, but I haven't actually played it yet, so not sure how faithful it is.

    Would love Black & White, or Settlers 2 remaster. They made a new Settlers game, but it didn't get great reviews, from what I recall.

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    • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Final Fantasy VII. Fans have made beautiful new models with better textures on Nexus, and it makes me wish Square Enix had bothered to do more than just up-res the graphics and backgrounds before calling it a day. That's the only remake I ever wanted.

    https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy7/mods/4

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    • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Tales of Symphonia, but properly remaster it. All the content from later ports, but at 60fps just like GameCube. I'd also port in Free Run, because that's such a key addition to later titles that it's hard to go back to Symphonia without it.

    I'd also just like to see any of the classic 2D Tales games, especially ones that were never released in the west. Phantasia PSP when?

    Kid Icarus Uprising desperately needs to be available on modern platforms. I'll be the first to say stylus aiming was good and it may be a bit of a downgrade to keep up with the game's breakneck speeds without it, but gyro aiming would be close enough. What I'd really like to see is a way to play Light vs. Dark without weapon min-maxing, I think it'd be substantially improved with base weapons only.

    I might be stretching the definition of remaster a bit, but I'd love a Game & Watch collection that picks up where the Gallery games left off. Just put every (non-licensed) title in one package. New Modern versions would be great.

    Never gonna happen in a billion years, but my ultimate dream would be a Boktai Trilogy collection. You could have a USB-C Solar Sensor peripheral, it could work. It's possible. It won't happen, but it's possible.

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    Parasite Eve. Probably never going to happen.

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    [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    RAGE

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I've never played Rage but I just checked the screenshots on Steam. The graphics looks nice and modern. What do you want it improved in the remaster?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As someone who played and finished the game back when it was new, I don't see why anyone would want a remaster of it. It's an ok shooter, but there's nothing memorable other than the driving (which was just boring)

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    • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Wing Commander series.

    Crimson Skies. How the fuck have we not had another Crimson Skies? We went through the whole pirate fad and with the current political situation of the USA...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I think the problem is it's a flight simulator, and those died as "video games." Nobody has a Sidewinder or Wingman joystick on their computer desks anymore, and they're not tremendously fun to play with a controller and exceptionally unfun with keyboard and mouse.

    Flight sims are still around but they're way up in the enthusiast space adjacent to racing sims.

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