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[–] 317 points 1 year ago (16 children)

“Sometimes it lets me down, but sometimes it really surprises me," he said.

That’s what I want from a drive through. To be surprised or let down.

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  • [–] 115 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I mean to be fair... that's the current drive through experience anyway isn't it?

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Depends on the restaurant.

    There’s one McDonald’s nearby that’s wrong like 80% of the time, but A&W is right almost always for me.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For me that’s like the inverse. Plenty of fast food around me but the nearby McDonald’s is pretty crazy efficient (and generally busy), always gets my order right without issue. Burger King, Taco Bell, Wendy’s in the area are all terrible with order issues, badly prepared food, etc. I’ve never checked but I wonder which of the stores are franchises and which are corporate owned and if that makes a difference

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I’ve worked at McDonald’s, Burger King, Wendy’s, and Taco John’s and out of all of them McDonald’s has the most efficient systems. As long as management follows the policies it should be easy to run a McDonald’s. Keep in mind this means a lot of stuff is prepared ahead of time: tomatoes, onions, etc. are pre-sliced before it ever reaches the store (Burger King and Wendy’s are more “fresh” in this regard).

    Wendy’s was pretty good too, but Burger King had the worst setup I’ve seen. The restaurants are just not set up for efficiency and it doesn’t take much to start having long wait times.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Wait people eat at A&W? Is it any good?

    There are multiple around me and I feel like I never see anyone in them and I myself have never been in 40+ years.

    I have been to most every other fast food place more times than I can remember.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A&W Canada is (they spun off as a fully Canadian owned and operated company).

    They have the best lettuce and cheese, and their breakfast beats McD’s. The Hash browns are actually hash browns instead of the thin $2.50 ones the clown sells.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Are you rhyming on purpose? Let me just edit that last line a bit to make it work even better:

    They have the best lettuce and cheese,

    and their breakfast beats McD’s.

    The Hash browns are actually hash browns

    instead of the thin $2.50 ones sold at the clown's.

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  • [–] 152 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Holy crap, people have been reposting takes on this interview for like three days and you can track the degradation of the actual content via the game of telephone in the headlines.

    It's kinda depressing.

    FWIW, having read the original interview everybody is reheating, the 18000 waters was a random example the Taco Bell exec WSJ interviewed used to explain that part of the issue is that people feel less guilty about messing with automated orders than when they're talking to a human. They are also not backing out from automated orders, which is why the headline is using "rethink".

    The core of the issue is correct, though, the guy does spend a significant amount of time giving corpolese synonims of "it's a mess". "We've certainly learned a lot" has to be my favourite.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thanks for posting this take. The topic of AI taking jobs seems to garner a lot of emotional response but not much of a technology discussion.

    There were people who were negative about using websites to place orders in the 90s in part because e-commerce killed order processing jobs and the need for phone reps at mail order catalogs.

    In this case AI is being used as just another e-commerce UX, so it's really just a continuation of what's happening already.

    People used to do things like put 18,000, or -1 and all kinds of other garbage in the fields on website order forms as well. That's just a programmers job to fix with reasonable input validation.

    It wouldn't surprise me if drive-thru like Taco Bell started doing license plate recognition and reputation checking. So if you order and dash more than a couple times they might not take your order from outside in that car anymore.

    On the upside they might be able to greet you by name and recall your last order:

    Hello Mr Smith... Nice to see you today, would you like 10 cheesy gordita crunch tacos and 1 large diet Pepsi again?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    That seems overengineered as hell to me. But then, having an entire LLM to do what much older voice recognition software could do better is overengineered by definition. The LLM won't validate those things because the point of it, if it has one at all in this scenario, is for it to recognize off the cuff speech and malformed orders.

    Which is partly why people are finding this idea doesn't work, I suppose. Have a chatbot improvise based on what people are shouting and you get garbage inputs. Have strict requirements for voice commands and you get lots of failed attempts.

    Unlike a bunch of other applications of AI chatbots this one maaaay eventually work. But then again, so may your idea. Honestly, if I was going to overengineer the shit out of having a tortilla-wrapped laxative inside a car I'd have you order directly in your phone and use that license plate recognition idea to prevent you having to talk to anybody or anything in the first place.

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  • [–] 114 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A QA tester walks into a bar Taco Bell...

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  • [–] 98 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    But despite some of the viral glitches facing Taco Bell, it says two million orders have been successfully processed using the voice AI since its introduction.

    how much you wanna bet they're counting the orders where the drive thru worker had to step in and save the floundering algorithm who could not in fact understand basic speech, or even the purpose of a conversation, as orders "successfully processed" using AI

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Do you really think they were smart enough to annotate their chat logs to track failures?

    They didn’t even get basic input validation.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why would they look at chat logs when they can simply ask the chat bot how successful it was?

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  • [–] 46 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I actively avoid the places that use this. It’s a horrible experience I can choose not to take part in.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yea, I'm not talking to a fucking robot. Just give me a screen to type it in myself at that point if you're not going to hire someone (I'll still probably not use it unless I'm desperate but it's better than talking to a machine).

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    Drive through might be a bit more difficult for touch screens. It'd be like trying to reach your parking ticket but for how many clicks it takes to make the order.

    Phone app might be easier but not sure it really replaces what drive throughs are for.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, im not installing a phone app either. Sounds like the best option is to just hire a human being.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I might be fine with a phone app for very simple orders. I already use an app for fueling my car and for that it's handy. But if you have to stop, think about what you're getting, make up your order and then punch it into the app then it might not suite a drive through that well since it just ruins the "flow".

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    They could hire a person to take orders. Companies just want to use AI. Even AI has issues. Big companies can afford people.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    But are the AI issues cheaper than the corporate infrastructure around hiring and paying employees and losing the occasional customer? If AI is more profitable, they don’t care. The only thing that’s mattered for decades now is what the bottom line says, no matter the cost.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm surprised they're not hiring people in third world countries to take the orders since it's through a microphone.

    Or just making people order through their phones and use the drive through as a pick up point.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is an American company, their customers would probably react poorly to hearing a foreign accent come through the speakers

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Employee make line go down. AI make line go up.

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  • [–] 73 points 1 year ago* (20 children)

    “AI will took ur jerb!”

    AI: cant even hack it at Taco Bell or McDonalds

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  • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    ai is taking jerbs, despite the fact that it cannot perform them at all, and the cost is being externalized to the customers. its not about whether they can do what they're meant to do, its about giving corporations excuses to further drive down human wages.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Quality- down

    Quantity- down

    Profits- UP UP UP

    Useful idiots- PROUD PROUD PROUD

    I wish we lived in a society where we made fun of idiots for getting ripped off. There's just so many of them though that it's seen as normal and we're the weird ones if we don't go along with it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (13 children)

    I just got fired at the D... Got something to say? Do that to my face, I dare you 😡😤😭😭

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    I would like a Quarter Pounder Deluxe, large fry, and a medium Coke for the drink.

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    I'd like to speak to the manager.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm the manager. Is Pepsi okay?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Kudos to your cashier for making the offer instead of just saying no. They are an asset and shouldn't be fired.

    Also, fuck no. I'll take a Dr Pepper of Pibb, whichever one you have.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The best I can offer is a 50/50 mixture of Pepsi and barqs root beer.

    Your compliments have been heard!The cashier has been replaced with AI. The AI only knows how to serve Pepsi.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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    This is a situation where AI needs to be correct nearly 100 percent of the time. Errors mean wasted time from the employees correcting orders and wasted food from incorrect orders. An employee that makes hourly mistakes is a problem. No AI proponents are saying that Gen AI is going to be 100 percent correct because the goal is Gen AI is to provide a probable answer.

    I'm not sure if you have read this, but here is an example of a more simple interface where Claude was asked to run a vending machine. At times it acted out an existential crisis or even attempted to call the FBI.

    https://www.anthropic.com/research/project-vend-1

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It sounds actually very funny to try and break it

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    One clip on Instagram, which has been viewed over 21.5 million times, shows a man ordering "a large Mountain Dew" and the AI voice continually replying "and what will you drink with that?".

    "Dude, Where's my car" turning into prophecy wasn't in my bingo card:

    https://youtu.be/iuDML4ADIvk

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The fucking taco bell AI likes to ask if I would like anything else, then ask if I want nacho fries. Then, hearing "No", go ahead and add them anyway.

    Then it likes watching me drive away, giving the store the finger.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Unfortunate. The worker can just take the order over and correct its mistake.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Or, and hear me out: I can drive off, flip them the bird, and go down to one of the other 15 fast food places within a 5 minute drive, that doesn't use a speech recognition AI to take my order.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I guess if that makes you happy. Seems like wasted time as opposed to just having the worker take it over and do the order, at which point speech recongition software isn't being used.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I've tried this repeatedly. I've answered "No" to their upsale. I've sat there in silence, waiting for it to time out. I've asked for a human. Every time the AI takes my order, it adds nacho fries that I didn't order and specifically rejected.

    The problem isn't that I need a human to fix it. The problem is that the AI is specifically programmed to ignore a rejected upsale. Their AI is smart enough to recognize the rest of my complicated order, but it can't understand "No"? Horseshit. They are using this fraudulent programming to increase their upsale metrics, expecting us to docilely accept the sale rather than raise a fuss.

    Drive-offs are another of the metrics they look at. Since I've communicated with nobody but the AI, they have nobody but the AI to blame for the drive-off. They don't get to blame a human for failing to remediate the problem.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    To understand this, you have to understand the CEO cult. They ALL hang off every word from SV tech bros, and the appeal of free labor is hard to ignore when you have to find $100M for executive bonuses.

    If automated food service was what people wanted, then automats would have never gone out of business 120 years ago.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Order kiosks = good Voice to text ordering system = obviously not ready for prime time

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    AI v Ingenious Redneck

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