I mean, there are precedents...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Franken
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_the_People_(2015_TV_series)
I mean, there are precedents...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Franken
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_the_People_(2015_TV_series)
A lot of people here are condemning celebrity in US politics, and I get it... but at this point in time we might need someone who is already famous yet consistent and trustworthy. Stewart has shown himself to be a good person for decades. He's also politically informed, progressive, and whip smart.
We need a candidate who wants real change for the betterment of the working class. Somehow people thought that was Trump... I guess because he said he would be, a few times? And people were hoping hard? And not looking at his track record at all? Also racism? More importantly though: people didn't think that candidate was Harris, who got pushed through by the Democratic party and ran an uninspiring campaign. Those people didn't vote. Those people were excited about candidates like Bernie, who's track record on class issues is indefatigable. Those people could potentially be excited about Jon Stewart tearing shit down for the actually betterment of the poor, and might trust that he would try.
That's my read, anyway. A Mamdani could come along and stir up some real enthusiasm, but I think it's harder for a no-name without a proven record to win a national election. Last time that happened we ended up with Obama, and people still feel burned by his lack of progressive action.
Jon could absolutely destroy anyone on a debate stage. Mainly because it's a popularity contest, and he's spent his entire life learning to be popular on screen and stage. He's also a smart guy with great insight into a lot of situations.
None of that means he would be a good president. It's a different set of skills.
The bottom line though, would he be better than the alternative? And I hear what you're saying. Those nazi crack monkey's put on a hell of a show, how could Jon possibly do a better job? I'm not sure, but given the option, I think I'd give him a shot.
He would mop the floor at the debates but I’m not sure debates matter anymore. I remember “they’re eating the cats” not mattering as much as it should have.
I would say the most important skill is listening to experts, and knowing when you aren't one. Jon has this down.
You don't want a president who thinks they're an expert in everything. You want one who knows that aren't and is willing to bring experts in to guide them.
I think the Jon for president thing is copium, but to be fair Jon does have two of the most important traits in a president: conviction and a good bullshit detector. Whether he'd be able to do the day to day work aside, there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be able to lead the country in a better direction in a big picture sense.
I think Jon would have the intelligence and humility to have very qualified, intelligent people to advise and challenge him.
My only concern for him is he would take it very seriously, and not be able to let anything go. He would burn himself out hard in 4 years.
most important traits in a president: conviction
And not in the way that Trump has convictions.
If Jon Stewart became the Ronald Reagan of progressiveness, I wouldn't complain.
None of that means he would be a good president. It's a different set of skills.
Of course. Current Mr President is clearly way more skilled at presiding.
He's too conciliatory to win debates. He'd have to seriously change his personality because I don't think he likes face to face conflict, given how he softballs interviews with asshats like Jeffries.
Watch him mop the floor with Tucker on Crossfire.
He softballs when he wants to get more guests. If he goes after every politician, they all run and hide. To see him actually debate you have to see him off his own show. He's given very compelling addresses to congress as well.
And seriously, he's one of the most popular TV personalities in the country. What you're saying is you don't like Taylor Swift's music, so she must be a shitty entertainer. Maybe you're just not the target audience?
I'd normally say "hells no, stop electing celebrities!" but this is a person who is actually politically informed (savvy even) and at this point possibly bthenonoy person why might get the US out of this miserable shit it's in and on to a path towards an actual representative democracy.
If anything, Jon Stewart might be the only person able to get the US to stop electing celebrities in the first place
So yeah, Jon 2028!
I want to say no celebrities or billionaires so badly, but if you believe that nearly ALL politicians are irredeemably corrupt, then that's where we have to go for the people with the money and/or name recognition to win.
If you are going to vote for someone other than a politician, than an intelligent person who has spent the last couple of decades closely following politics and commenting on it every night might be a good option, provided they have the morals for it. I generally don't think much of the morals of billionaires or celebrities, but they're far better than MAGAs. At least they aren't enthusiastic traitors and pedophiles.
Well... Ideally, politics would be a boring job. Make small incremental improvements. No political parties, just guys (and gals and whatnot more) that can put themselves to be elected, and when elected, they get to do, a job for a few years or so. After that, they can go back to whatever else they want to do.
It should be boring
Hell, people shouldn't put themselves on a list to be elected, let's just pick a guy and if you're tagged, you're it for a year or so
Requirements are that you have at least studies in the subject matter and have 10 years experience in the field.
I dunno, I'm just writing silly ideas here but anything is better than all the political systems we have now
Let’s not forget his relentless lobbying in congress and the senate for the first responders of 9/11. He had the balls to tell politicians the truth without sugar and never gave up because it was the right thing to do and he could.
That's what would make him good at the job
Yeah. The real problem with power is that the people best suited to wield it don't seek it out.
Running for president should automatically disqualify you...
The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
“The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.”
"The major problem, one of the major problems, for there are several, with governing people is that of who you get to do it. Or, rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarize: it is a well known and much lamented fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made president should on no account be allowed to do the job."
If we must have leaders, then, the corollary to Adams' Law must follow: presidents should be drafted.
There is no such thing as a qualified US presidential candidate. There's no job, or training, or comparable experience that can ready a person for that role. Anyone who honestly thinks they are the most capable person in the world to assume control of the largest military and the largest economy that has ever existed should immediately be disqualified from the role. You'd have to be a madman to think that. But that's all we ever get.
There's no indication that a senator, governor, or vice president makes a better president than someone with no political experience (of which there have been 6). In fact, coming through that system seems to teach people to make peace with corruption, bribery, complacence, and protecting the status quo at it's worst.
As much as I hate Donald Trump's policy, and flagrant disregard for the law, it would be hard to argue that his experience as a narcissistic game show host hasn't proven more effective at the day to day politics of implementing his policy than almost any other president of the last 40 years. It's hard to keep up with how fast he's getting disastrous shit (that we voted for) done.
And he's only in office today because 50 years of "qualified" stuffed shirts have wrung all the money, opportunity, and hope out of the middle class. Then the "qualified" people told America to vote for a clearly senile "qualified" candidate.
No sane capable person would. That's why all the people that make it there are there for the power or the money.
He's always expressed an active disinterest... but in the interview the article's talking about, he brought up the possibility of "the right reality host" taking over the Democratic party on his own. Then didn't deny it or push back when the interviewer asked if he meant himself.
That's the most positive I've heard him be about the possibility.
Just because he doesn't want to be president doesn't mean he shouldn't run. Every election cycle has at least one candidate who just wants to stir the water.
Zelenskyy did it. Ukraine would no longer exist as a sovereign nation today if he didn't; it would have been entirely annexed into Russia right now.
I mean, Trump did it and he was a fucking TV clown. The bar is really, really, reaaaaaaally low for who can become the next US president.
It'd be a better analog if everything else Zelenskyy has done as president wasn't eclipsed by Russia invading. Would he have been considered a good president if that hadn't happened? We'll never know.
He stepped up as a leader when his nation needed him. That is one of the best qualities to have. Anything else is just whatsboutism that can be applied to anyone.
Nobody is questioning his bravery or accomplishments, but peacetime politics require particular skills.
Would he have been considered a good president if that hadn't happened? We'll never know.
A quick glance back shows very much no. However, he stepped up for the war.
Just have him be White House Spokesperson. Perfect role for him.
Exactly this.
The Dems are so bereft of charismatic folks in their ranks because their own internal power-squabbling and pressure between dusty old skeletons to keep themselves in office, that anyone who HAS the skill set has had to spend that time in the entertainment industry at best. They're so dogmatic about internal "it's your time" protocols that they would rather sink AOC and Bernie forever so that the political equivalent of Assistant Regional Managers can get promoted to Regional Manager.
Both parties are broken to shit, and this is why Dems aren't doing a single thing to fight anything, they expect to just sit back and have it handed to them later. It'll be too late by then. We need an entire wave of new blood. Fuck this 2-party system.
they would rather sink AOC and Bernie forever so that the political equivalent of Assistant Regional Managers can get promoted to Regional Manager.
I agree and disagree. The ability to successfully lead a government as chaotic (i.e. democratic) and large as the republic of states known as the US is very rare. It requires not only a strong physical and mental constitution, but also a wide set of skills and intuitive abilities that usually only make themselves apparent during trials by fire. Compared to the sometimes explosively violent centralizations of power that occur when the rare charismatic tyrants fight their way into power (e.g. Napoleon, Hitler), democracies grow in fits and starts as they rely upon a panjandrum of popularity contests to find talented leaders. In contrast to dynasties that fiercely burn hot with their founder's fervor then languish in subsequent generations, democracies have the potential for sustained competence as long as incumbent leaders continue to hold popularity contests with the goal of finding new leaders better than themselves from as wide a candidate pool as possible.
When the contests fail to find the rare talented leader, the process does resemble a farcical out-of-touch revolving door of mediocre middle managers like you suggest: because talented leaders are rare. And even when a talented individual does prove thenselves, they cannot cling to power lest they destroy the talent search apparatus that brought them to power in the first place and which will eventually replace them with an even more talented individual in the future. To destroy that apparatus reverts the civilization back into purity-obsessed gatekeeping fascism and boring dynastic tyranny.
So, if this decade's popularity contest is restricted to late-night comedian talk-show hosts, I say that's better than a Trump dynasty. But, I hope winners of those contests steer government to promote talent searches with larger candidate pools than they came from. That could take the form of government propaganda rewarding people to run for local elections. Without leaders consciously promoting wider popularity contests, the people of a democracy default to choosing the photogenic faces and entertaining voices they see and hear on their screens: actors like Ronald Reagan or Arnold Schwarzenegger or game show hosts like Donald Trump.
I don't disagree, but I will push back on a couple points.
First, I would assert that that we're a few years past the end of the late night personality decade. Colbert jumping to CBS was what made it mainstream, which is the point of the peak, about 10 years ago. Kimmel and Fallon don't measure up at all. The era of monolithinc cultural icons is fading since the internet has fractured our media consumption patterns. Stewart and Colbert had a great dynamic while both were on comedy central, and if you'll recall, Colbert actually try to run for President in 2008. It was a joke, but I think only a half-hearted one and he would have probably gone on a hell of a campaign. He didn't want to pay $35K to get on the Republican primary ticket in SC, but the DNC actually rejected his application to be on the primary in 1 state.
As for leaders who are charismatic and capable, ultimately, it's a shit job to be president and no one wants it unless they're a little crazy or see personal benefit. Obama, for his few failings, was an exception across the board, both for being good enough that the DNC let him skip the fealty line, but also being competent enough to not make people regret voting for him, and I think genuinely a public servant at heart. Typically, the "Left" universe lets their nepo babies play around in Hollywood simply because money is the arbiter of success, and anyone can subsidize their kid for 3 years to live in LA and make a couple lousy documentaries, or as lobbyists and lawyers in Maryland. Once in one of those spheres, that's your specialty and contact list.
No one is coming to save us from the DNC - is what I wrote meaning to say "No one from the DNC is coming to save us." What a slip, right? The DNC would rather let it all burn down around them to "show leadership" be handing out brooms and telling people it's time to clean up the mess, and wasn't it nice they brought brooms, so vote for them.
GreenShimada 2028
So finaly, you will get Stewart instead of King
*enthousiastically chews on a cherry tomato*
I mean, ideally we shouldn't be just running celebrities but after 8 months of this shit I don't give a fuck anymore. Mentally I am here:

If it works I literally could not care less. Clearly the people want vibes so let's just give them the fucking vibes and deal with THAT issue when things aren't actively on fire.
Whatever else Stewart is, he's knowledgeable, charismatic, willing to fight for a cause, and DOES genuinely seem to give a fuck about the average person. That's a damn good start at least.
And all of THAT is even under the assumption we get something at least vaguely resembling a normal election, which at this point I think is entirely dependent on when exactly Diddler on the Roof finally strokes out on the shitter.
Yes, yes, yes. He’s not just a TV show host. He legitimately puts his time, money, and reputation where his mouth is. I have a lot of respect for Jon Stewart as a person with moral character, intelligence, and influence. I would advocate forcing him into the election even if he doesn’t want it. In fact, that he doesn’t want it is all the more reason to push. We need someone like him desperately.
Anybody that doesn’t want the job is imminently more qualified that anybody who does in my opinion.
The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
– Some hoopy frood
Simple solution, we execute every president as they leave office! Secondary solution, we vote on whether to not execute the president as they leave office, 2/3rds majority needed to abstain the execution
I couldn't remember if they was Douglas Adams or Kurt Vonnegut. Both work
I'm not sure if this is some idiomatic usage I've not encountered, but "eminently" would seem more appropriate than "imminently". If only because John's already more qualified than he apparently needs to be.
Ooo so you're saying I'm qualified? That's a shit job I don't want. Fucks up your hair and ages you. Plus there's a good chance I might send some reps I don't like on a scouting trip to Mars.
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Oh dang, I AM qualified!
Fairly stupid opinion considering the breadth of people that would encompass.
There's no such thing as unqualified anymore. I think picking a random person off the street and having them do the job would have statistically been more likely to perform better than Trump has done so far in either term. Even if that random person chose to do NOTHING and just continue to allow the government apparatus to churn unimpeded, it would have been preferable to what we got.
I would advocate forcing him into the election even if he doesn’t want it.
Are you fucking serious?
The Venn diagram overlap of personality characteristics of modern politicians and celebrities is extraordinarily large. Pure charisma drives success in modern media-driven politics. It's sad, but I believe it's truth now.
Charisma has always been a major driver of politics, be it Republican Roman, Great Britain during WW2, or now. The only thing that is really different, is that we have better records of what modern politicians get up to. I recommend watching Historia Civilis's coverage on Rome, particularly the "His Year" subseries.
Being seen as having rizz at the national level is nothing to scoff at. We disdain celebrity but it is hard to obtain and keep. It can be used for good or ill, but the competencies needed for durable celebrity status are many.
Think about all the skills and consistency a person who is on camera all the time has to have. They need to be internally consistent. They need to know who they are and project themselves well. they need to know how to manage a media career and they need to speak ideas that resonate with an audience and make people want to remember their name.
You are absolutely correct celebrity and politician have always been intertwined professions.
Turn it to our advantage ? not USian, but we all have something to lose
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