Why the hell are they trying to build data centers in the fucking Sonoran Desert anyway.
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Good. This whole thing was stupid when the local government and utilities keep telling us little people to conserve water because, well we're in a 113 degree desert with a complete lack of water due to climate change and they wanted to do this bullshit.
Have you tried collecting the condensation off the glass? If you use that to wash your armpits you can go an extra day before you shower so Jeff Bezos can make numbers go up in his theoretical money.
Edit: "Comical" thought. There is less than $2.5 trillion in cash circulating.
That wouldn't cover 20 people net worth in a country of near 350,000,000.
Bezos has tens of billions, if not hundreds. He could support development of heat-resistant microchips, which would have countless applications.
heat-resistant microchips
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Yeah, man, Bezos has tens of billions, if not hundreds! He could support the development of something that breaks the fundamental rules of physics EASILY!
Computers use electricity to do math. The more electricity you have, the more math you can do. In order to do the math, the electricity is handled in a way that outputs heat. Unfortunately, the most reliable, cost effective and plentiful materials that allow electricity to do a lot of math also get heavily impacted by heat.
I doubt a microchip that doesn't need cooling, while still calculating reasonably fast, is possible.
Remember that time that Microsoft sunk a data center in the ocean, proved this was cost effective, was reliable and could scale? And now it's been five years and nothing happened? Yeah that was annoying.
Anyway their site of glowing press releases is still up for some reason
It worked well until there was a component failure, requiring a whole farm to be taken down to replace said failed components. This is why they dropped the project.
They didn't think of that when designing this?
I'm sure they did, and they wouldn't take the farm down until there was X% failure, but the amount of time and effort it took to perform those repairs made it unfeasible.
What do you think research is?
you don't need to jump off a building to research gravity...
the specific issue that is claimed to have made the entire project unviable is easily spotted a mile away
Why are data centers so thirsty anyway? Can't cooling systems just reuse water in a closed loop?
Evaporative cooling needs less water mass and less surface area for the same cooling effect. They could simply use bigger heat sinks outside the building and have a bigger water cooling system to make it closed loop, but they don't want to do that.
Then why the fuck do they keep wanting build them in the middle of the desert then?
Cheap land, dry air is good for evaporative cooling, and many arid areas have a surprising amount of ground water. It ultimately comes down to being the cheapest option, not the smartest or best option.
So how long to the billionaires have that entire city council replaced with people who are in their pocket and will vote for its passing?
In the states? 1-2 years tops.
Trump will have them arrested on terrorism charges in a month...after a totally coincidental delivery of a golden idol to trump, from bezos
edit I said this as a joke, and later found Apple recently gifted Trump a golden idol.
God I miss when satire was silliness, and not psychic future sight.
Externalization of cost, the environment and community bears the cost instead of the corporation. Privatize the profits, externalize the costs.
In addition to the other answers;
America's deserts are tectonically stable and don't experience natural disasters. If you want your data and/or compute running in two regions for redundancy, somewhere in the desert is a good choice for one of your DCs.
Maybe in AZ or other states but CA deserts are not tectonically stable.
I know. Was looking for a term to separate the two areas. Not like the San Andreas fault is stable!
How could I have dialed that in better?
Because the local and state governments in those deserts keep promising them unlimited water for nearly free
Two more reasons not yet mentioned:
It is close to a population center (Phoenix) keeping latency low to customers. Getting customers off the public Internet quickly and into your private network fast is best for a lot of reasons.
Cheap and abundant solar power. Data centers are extremely power hungry and power lines are expensive so companies like Amazon almost always secure abundant power rights before building. Google built their first data center in The Dalles Oregon because an aluminum smelter had gone belly up and left a bunch of capacity unclaimed in a local hydroelectric dam.
Fewer hurricanes out there, and other natural disasters as well. I don't know how tuscon is seismically, but otherwise it has a lot of lowere risks from nature, probably
Demand, ain't much of it in the desert. Also, easy to manipulate governments.
Right, that's what they said. For a closed loop, because it's less "effective", you need a much larger system. It's more expensive to build and requires a much larger footprint and corporations like Amazon would rather save a penny than do anything to reduce their harm.
They absolutely can run closed loop. It does not cool as well as evaporative cooling (it takes MASSIVE heat to evaporate water) but it can work if designed right with large system capacity and big radiators. Trouble is it's likely more expensive than pissing away the water and we know all that matters is bottom line.
No, usually the water doesn't cool down fast enough. Trying to reuse it just slowly heats it up, until either the water or the servers evaporate.
usually the water doesn't cool down fast enough
...in the time chosen. If the planet can get down to 13c overnight, I bet Skippy's relatively smaller data centre can get down sooner with a proper loop.
I know it's hard finding a good spot of flat land now that the choicest spots have all been fracked for methane and are no longer stable - thanks, 'green' energy shysters! - but what else were ya gonna do with all that space under the solar panels?
By-product? Free showers for the homeless with that waste heat. Yay?
This is a good showcase of how a few individuals can leverage power to fend off massive interests. For the good of the public even, in this instance.
So they'll just go build it in Chandler with all the others instead, I guess?
I guess that , unlike some famous people in "Phoenix Valley", the people in Tucson did not forget "the white man's greed".
Kudos to them!
Well fine, guess I'll have to make my obese fart videos the old fashioned way. Anyone seen my kimchi?
Finally some politicians with a hint of having a spine and doing what their constituents want.
I don't get how any tech companies think they will incentives citys when they have been shown to deplete almost all water sources wherever they are built. Amazon being a notorious negotiators of tax incentives, they are likely looking for sucker city's.
Edit. Also, what absolutely massive brain decided one of the hottest states in the us would be a good place to put a building sized heat sink.
You could even do district heating. Use the hot water output from the data centre and sell it cheap for piping into appartment blocks for heating.
See now you're thinking way too progressive. If its not raping the environment, you're doing it wrong.
Too smart for capitalism where cheap > efficient
It's why a vast majority of buildings in the US are designed without the local climate in mind (ie using passive heating and cooling systems for that climate). They let HVAC handle making the same design hospitable for all regions. It's the lowest cost design and build for the highest sale price. All energy and maintenance costs after sale are the consumer's problem. Relevant podcast episode about how dumb our building designs are due to AC. It has some staggering figures i don't remember offhand.
Good idea, but corporations arent usually in the business of taking care of towns or workers.
It is done, but apparently district heating is not commonplace everywhere in the World.
https://cleantechnica.com/2024/05/20/waste-heat-from-google-data-center-to-warm-a-town-in-finland/
if you're the redhead on the left of this video with the really deep voice, we haven't talked in a while and it's ridiculous that i can recognize you after 15 years. i should call you.



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