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[–] 97 points 1 year ago (5 children)

In a more general way, other creatures don't experience taste the same way we do.

Bird poop is really nutritious to seeds. It makes sense for those plants to be eaten by birds (with the seed passing through the digestive tract untouched), but avoid other creatures.

Enter capcasin. Mammals find it intolerable (except for one subset of a goofy bipedal species), but birds love that shit.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Enter capcasin. Mammals find it intolerable (except for one subset of a goofy bipedal species), but birds love that shit.

    I know someone with a dog that loves jalapenos. So its not just us.

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    shout out to pomelo, fucking og i'd never even heard of, responsible for two of my favorite fruits

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    I always thought pomelo was some kind of over bred accident that was trying to be passed off as gourmet citrus with its two inch thick pith and its disappointing flavor. I suppose it gets a pass as it's an actual naturally occurring fruit.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "All right, I've been thinking, when life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade! Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man whose gonna burn your house down - with the lemons!"

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    I was today years old when I realised that "When life gives you lemons" might be a metaphor for bitter/sour situations you experience but are outside your own control...

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What did you think the expression meant?

    Like if life gives you oranges, make orange juice, just because that’s what it’s made with?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Evolution by artificial selection is still evolution.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    It is different if it is a passive or active process though. The initial question is, in how far lemons benefit from this evolved trait. The benefits might be very different between passive or active evolution here. If it were passive, lemon plants might benefit by avoiding some disadvantageous animal species feeding on them. As it is active though, the benefit is that they are grown more by humans. The feedback loop between evolution and trait selection is very different if it is active or passive I'd say.

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  • What even is "natural"? Aren't humans part of nature? If a wolf kills all white rabbits and rabbits become black thats natural selection, but if a human chooses which animals/plants get to reproduce it isn't? I say its still natural, as is climate change and any other thing human made. (Which doesn't mean it is good and we should continue doing it)

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Also, not all animals experience sour taste in the same way. For example rats actually love eating lemons! There are literally guides online on how to stop them!

    https://pestcontrolweekly.net/how-to-stop-rats-from-eating-lemons/

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Same goes for chilli peppers, which aren't hot for birds, since their receptors are incompatible

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Cool Thing about that is that the theory is that it was selected for exactly to ward off non birds so that only birds eat it and the seeds go further!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Woah. Imagine the first spicy plant. The mammals stay away from it, but the birds still eat it. They then bring the plant to a place where the plant doesn't exist yet. Plant flourishes. Repeat.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    you don't even need to resort to other animals, lots of humans are fucked and will happily suck on a lemon wedge with 0 indication that it's remotely sour

    like, i enjoy sour stuff, but if i touch my tongue to a raw lemon my entire face inverts

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This just vindicates my long time thought: people make their own problems.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Completing the circle with le citron de Menton, that is mild and sweet enough to be eaten raw with the peel. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20220328-the-return-of-frances-lost-menton-lemon

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    "LEMONS?!"
    🫢 humpf
    😮💦🍋 phaaa

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    When life gives you lemons, take credit.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    When life gives you sour fruit, make better sour fruits!

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Life didn't give me lemons, my goddamn ancestors did

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    It was the scientists all along!

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  • My understanding is lemons are a hybrid that arose without human intervention. Their persistence is because of humans intervention.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    According to Wikipedia lemons have been around for about 2000 to 3000 years old.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    This exemplifies everything that's wrong with our species.

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    When we give life lemons, what is life meant to do?

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