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[–] 147 points 1 year ago* (22 children)

Not set in a fantasy world and was not expansive science fiction

Uh... I mean, it kinda is. The world of the game itself is pretty wild. Monsters of a kind exist, and there is some sort of fog between the continents that csn literally make you stop existing without sci-fi tech to protect you. And it's growing.

Actually talking to the corpo lady on the boat, doing the church quests, as well as having a high Encyclopedia skill gives you tons of exposition about the world itself, and it is gnarly.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I was surprised that the church sequence doesn't kill you. I only got shot once in the Whirling-In-Rags.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    The dancing for Egghead can kill you if your health is low enough/your physical stats are 1-2.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I died from sitting on a slightly uncomfortable chair that one time.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    As someone who has never played the game before, I really can't tell if you're making all of this up. It sounds fascinating.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    It's real. You can die at the beginning of the game attempting to grab your tie. You're playing as a 40 something burnout cop who has recently done so much alcohol and drugs that you have complete and total amnesia and your heart can explode at any moment. At one point even sitting in a chair could kill you. lol

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean, only because you picked some build that gave you 1 HP.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    You can die due to having too low morale, too.

    Or killing yourself as an intimidation tactic during an interrogation, regardless of your stats.

    Practically all versions of the detective are susceptible to self-inflicted demise in one shape or another.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's really worth playing. The voice acting is stellar, and it really is the best "role-playing" game, in the sense that you are fully immersed in role-playing a character. The mental gameplay mechanics are GOAT, and one-of-a-kind.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Quite frankly I had such a high Inland Empire on my playthrough that the only things I’m sure are real are the things Kim or my good friend Horrific Necktie backed me up on.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They aren't continents; calling them continents implies a planet, but the planet is long gone, broken apart into isolas (containing both land, including full continents, and sea) floating in the Pale, which is very much not fog.

    The Pale isn't... anything, really. A literal lack of being. Not matter, or energy, but space-time broken down into pure entropy where direction and time lose all meaning.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And if you're like half the people commenting here, you might boot the game up and immediately say "I ain't reading all that" and go fire up Call of Duty.

    Fr. Some dude up in here basically implied DE isn't a good game or a proper RPG, but they are so vague about their complaints it doesn't even sound like they ever actually played the game, they just want to be contrarian.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (20 children)

    I found it...daunting. I couldn't stick with it. maybe it's because I like my RPGs to have a bit of action or random encounters I don't know but I just couldn't get into it. once I found myself skipping text and stuff I figured "welp, there's no point in playing this now".

    So yeah I guess I just found it daunting and boring. Just not my cup of tea. If you're someone that enjoyed it, kudos. but personally I don't think it's the greatest RPG ever made.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I'm not entirely confident in my answer but I think my initial issue with Disco Elysium when I first tried to play it was because I expected the typical high action and quick cause-and-effect outcomes I'm used to in most RPGs. At least IMO, most RPG choices in games usually end up with a relatively clear outcome, whereas DE felt more gradual. Similarly, DE is more detective than action, which might sometimes benefit from gradual clues all coming together.

    Not to say anyone is wrong for not liking this approach, it does take a bit of commitment to engage with it. But I think being willing to engage with it on its level might make the initial hump more bearable. I've honestly come to enjoy the slower approach of DE, but refreshing compared to everything else.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Yeah, it wasn't for me either. I really tried to give it a shot, gone back to it a couple times but I really just don't get it.

    Great art/style? Definitely. But the gameplay itself is SO boring.

    I'm trying to play a game here, and the game part is lacking. RNG+ text? No thanks, not much to keep me.

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  • [+] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah, I read a couple books a month. Not interested in playing one disguised as a video game. They serve different purposes.

    Reading goes at my pace which is way, way faster than a game. Story-based games are way too slow and not nearly rich enough to replace a book.

    Cool if people like it, obviously there's something there that clicks with people. But I think it's boring AF.

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Why don't you read a PDF transcript of it then? I mean, all the visuals just mean you don't have a brain adapted to creating worlds from text... Why need a game if you can a) go to page 713 b) go to page 23 c) go to page 412

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  • [+] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    All you describe could just play all out in my head. You haven't read a lot of good novels if you need all this audiovisual support to paint a world with such depth in your head.

    You really need a brain adapted to creating novel universes from text. If you don't like reading novels I get why you need all the help such games offer to handwalk your imagination along the script. If that's the case, reading novels is just not your cup of tea. That's fine, I get it. But I don't get why you wouldn't just read an PDF choose-your-own adventure.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    There are some of us with no inner vision who do enjoy reading too though, you know?

    Not all of us have the ability to see what we read, i.e., aphantasia.

    I love to read though. All day long if I can. Also in the top 0.1% when it comes to reading speed. Guess why? Nothing wrong with my comprehension either.

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  • I was being cynical, to make the point that looking down on mainstream gamers for not liking visual novels could be doubled down by taking the same stance comparing visual novels vs reading plain text.

    I play visual novels all the time, and the point you make is very valid.

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  • [+] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Yeah, I'd argue Clair Obscur is better and that's only talking about recent ones.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Nope, Clair Obscur is a better RPG (and game) than Disco Elysium IMO.

    I didn't even get through Disco Elysium because it was kinda boring. I get how some people could really dig it, and I plan to attempt to pick it back up for the third time at some point. But it was much closer to being an old school point and click adventure game (albeit with a lot more reading) than an RPG anyway, and it's certainly not the "greatest RPG ever made" IMO.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This was the first comment I saw in this post. Having skimmed through the rest of the comments, I'll just say "fair enough but I disagree."

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah part of the reason that Disco Elysium isn't the "greatest RPG ever made" is that there's no objective way to rank such things and stating that as a fact seems on its face kinda absurd.

    Clair Obscur is a game that almost seems like it was designed for me personally because it matches what I like about gaming so much. But mine's just one opinion, and I understand people having different ones. 😀

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I love Clair Obscur, but i hate it when people call it RPG. You know...ROLE PLAYING GAME!

    There is like two or three meaningfull opportunities to role play and one of them is binary choice in the end of the game.

    And you had so many other games you could have said. Like Baldursgate or Cyperpunk where you actually can roleplay.

    Claire Obscur has rpg elements, like level ups, skills and equipment. It also has very jrpg like fighting system, but there is not enough roleplay to call it rpg.

    You are experiencing the story, not shaping the story.

    (As a games i love both)

    Ps. Im really intrested what your definition of rpg is?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Claire Obscur has rpg elements, like level ups, skills and equipment.

    Pretty much those elements are my definition. I feel like what you're describing with nonlinear storylines with lots of choices isn't all necessary for a game to be an RPG either. But I'm not a purist about any of it. Genres in general are approximate markers, and you can argue all you want about what belongs in what category.

    If asked to describe the genre of Clair Obscur I'd say JRPG because purists have bickered enough to make me add the qualifier. But I've seen it described as RPG in lots of places, and given my thirty years plus of playing games it's very similar to other games I've seen described as RPGs.

    It's kinda like "knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad" to me in that if someone recommended Disco Elysium to me because it's the "greatest RPG ever made" I feel like I'd come in with completely different expectations about the game and be very disappointed.

    But I'm no d&d player. I don't really like the Renaissance faire that much. When people start talking with those character voices I want to run for the hills.

    Edit: Downvote all you like, dorks! Look at what you actually do for most of the game in Disco Elysium. You're walking around picking things up, looking at things, using them to solve puzzles, and having conversations with people. That is closer to a Sierra point and click adventure from the 90s gameplay wise than any of the many RPG games I've played.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    this game was so fucking depressing and bleak and full of downer characters and sub stories i stopped playing after 4 hours.

    drama can be good. hardships make adventures exciting. but when the entire world is a hardship, I'd rather play something with more realistic variety.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Maybe you should have kept on playing and you'd have noticed that the game is also funny as fuck...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    i have 4 hours on my steam account. not a single chuckle. that's enough time for a laugh. you may jokes about bleak existences and situations but dark humor isn't exactly mainstream and imo is pretty hard to pull off without feeling gross, which Disco Elysium did to me.

    also, i have seen more of the game via youtube than i have played. the game is not a comedy, just stop it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Hey, it's cool if you didn't like it. I just think there's tons of hilarious things going on. The whole setting appears very bleak and surreal, but there's some really funny things in the game. I think it's a good balance to be honest.

    4 hours really doesn't get you far. You don't even get a feeling for the world in that little time. But you've watched YouTube videos on the game, so I guess it's just not for you.

    I grew up with British humor, so it's kind of weird to hear that dark humor isn't mainstream, lol.

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    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    "Disco Elysium is perfect but also a complete shit show" is becoming its own genre of journalism.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (35 children)

    “The greatest RPG ever made?” Not even close. Why do titles need to be this hyperbolic?

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Because it's an opinion article and maybe it's OK for the author to make an subjective statement of the quality of a thing they love? Like, if they really believe it, is it wrong to state that? Do they need to qualify everything in their article with "this is just my opinion, sorry if you don't agree."

    I get being annoyed by hyperbole in articles, but I don't really think that this warrants this kind of response. Sometimes it's OK to make strong statements. You can make statements like that without implying that people who think differently are bad/wrong.

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  • [+] -22 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    If it was an RPG that was even close to contending for that title, I would acquiesce to it. As it stands, I think the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Personal taste is personal taste, and that’s fine, but if you’re going to make bold claims like this, you should have to be burdened with the duty of backing it up. I don’t accept that this reporter’s personal opinion matters more than the RPG fans’ opinions as a whole. For them to make such a bold claim on such a public forum means they need to provide substantial evidence for it.

    Let’s get back to basics though: this was a bold statement done in an article title to get clicks. You can tell talk till sunrise about a person’s right to have their own opinion, but this isn’t really what’s going on. This is a journalist making a hyperbolic statement to get clicks. Fuck them. Fuck them and their marketing strategy. Tell me it’s not exactly that: a marketing strategy. Tell me it’s not a ploy to bolster the author’s career. Tell me there’s something substantial underneath this that warrants serious attention, rather than a click-bait article that’s meant to incite anger and garner clicks that way. How much does your contention that this reflects a genuine opinion stand up to the idea that it’s just a cheap attention grab?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Why did this incite anger in you?

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  • [+] -10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I suppose because it’s insulting to the fact that there are good games out there that actually deserve attention.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Is that your opinion, in the same way that it might be the author's opinion that Disco Elysium is the greatest RPG ever?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If it was an RPG that was even close to contending for that title, I would acquiesce to it.

    Except it is. And I don't think the burden of proof is on the article writer, when culturally, it's just accepted that it is either the greatest RPG, or one of the greatest RPGs. Maybe you didn't like it, but that doesn't invalidate the facts of how high people regard this game.

    It's not some damned marketing strategy. It's sitting at 91 on MetaCritic (even after all of the backlash about ZA/UM), won Game of the Year for many many outlets, and any individual who has played it all the way through will either call it the greatest RPG they ever played, or one of the greatest RPGs.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I think your "not even close" statement is hyperbolic. Disco Elysium has very positive reviews in most if not all review outlets and won Game of The Year award in 2019. You can personally think its not a good RPG but saying its nowhere close is very hyperbolic.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    But "best RPG" though? There are tons of RPGs that won "Game of the Year", and when people talk about iconic RPGs, Disco Elysium is rarely the one mentioned. Most people will claim Chrono Trigger, Morrowind (or Skyrim I guess), or one of the Final Fantasies (usually 6, 7, or 8). Look up any list of top RPGs and it probably won't crack the top 10.

    That doesn't mean it's a bad game, but "best RPG" is a pretty crowded field that rarely includes Disco Elysium.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (17 children)

    Out of curiosity, what are some games that you consider contenders for greatest RPG?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not OP, but:

    • Chrono Trigger
    • Morrowind (or maybe Skyrim)
    • Final Fantasy (esp. 6 and 7)
    • Baldur's Gate (esp. 3)
    • Pillars of Eternity
    • Fallout (esp. New Vegas)
    • The Witcher (esp. 3)
    • World of Warcraft (not my jam, but it's insanely popular)

    There are a ton more, especially if you broaden the definition to sub-genres to include Diablo 2, TLoZ games (esp. Ocarina of Time and Breath of the Wild), and Dark Souls.

    There are just so many bangers.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Western - Ultima IV
    Eastern - Phantasy Star II

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Damn, RPGs peaked in the 80s for you. What did these games do right that nothing has done better since?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    The story and engagement. Ultima IV let you talk to literally every NPC in the game, everyone had a name and a job and something to say.

    Phantasy Star II was essentially ripped off for Final Fantasy VII to the point where from the minute they introduced Aerith I was like "Well, shit, better not give HER anything I want to keep, she's dead 1/2 way through the game." (That was Nei in PSII).

    To be clear, those are just the first two off the top of my head, there were other excellent, excellent RPGs.

    I really liked the gold box D&D games from SSI - Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades. They don't hold up well now due to all being turn based RPGs. There is a Steam Collection of ALL of that.

    Speaking of, before Fallout, there was Wasteland which has had a modern reboot and sequel. Also a great game that had copy protection built into a story book full of backstory paragraphs.

    For JRPGs, it's hard to go wrong with Suikoden 1 and 2, recently re-released on PS5, drop dead gorgeous RPGs. The Golden Sun games were great too.

    I've played probably hundreds of RPGs since the start. Disco Elysium isn't even top 10. It LOOKS great, the writing is dogshit.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Xenogears. Just off the top of my head.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That was made 25 years ago. And just off the top of my head, Xenosaga surpassed it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    well to say Xenosaga surpassed it...I mean that's not hard to do.

    Xenogears is great but keep in mind it's not finished. the entire second disc is proof of this. It's an unfinished game that is regarded as one of the greatest RPG's of all time. Same with Xenosaga. that's an unfinished series. so to say Xenosaga surprassed it...well yeah it got further along than Xenogears did.

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