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[–] 171 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sounds about as forward thinking as most politicians I know.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That and “quarterly growth above all else” capitalism

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  • [–] 114 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Just going to point out that the sun in the elder scrolls universe isn't a ball of plasma and is infact a big ass hole in the fabric of reality from when Magnus pussies out of creation. So it is entirely possible that plants could grow without sunlight in the elder scrolls.

    Also for any more specialized lore junkies are vampires hurt by the raw Magicka from the sun or is it more of a raw lumens thing?

    Also also the Empire had a space program, do with that what you will.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Who art thou who are so wise in the ways of the elder scrolls

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Do you get to the Cloud District very often? Oh, what am I saying, of course you don't.

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  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Also it could just be Molag Bal being a dick, daedric curses tend to have symbolism behind them. For example if memory serves right the reason werebeasts transform at night is because Hircine is honoring Lorkhan/Shor/Shezar who's corpse is the moons, but not the necromancers moon that's manimarco the god of necromancy.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)
  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Let's assume this is correct about surface plants needing the raw Magicka from the sun to live.

    Blackreach is full of plants, many of which are edible, and receives no sunlight. Humanoids could just start farming the plants from Blackreach along with fungi. That should be enough to sustain a large enough population for Harkon and his court to feed on in their vampire paradise.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I'm surprised Harkon didn't try to take Blackreach for himself. They're immune to Falmer poison, they can use their full power without sunlight, they're smarter and have access to invisibility, illusions, and charms.

    In return he could have a country sized cavern, with at least two points of contact to Skyrim one either end, all the dwemer tech to hoard and use with their ancient knowledge. He could subjugate the falmer to be blood livestock, they're already crafted to be good slaves by the dwemer.

    He could slowly build up a vampire/thrall/dwemer machine army right under Skyrim then wage war overnight. Could even use dwemer machines by day to maintain territory until you complete this master prophecy you have.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I mean, if you're going to force people into an underground cavern, why even have the extra step of blotting out the sun?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    No, I'm saying cultivate the plant life from Blackreach on the surface after blotting out the sun

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Right, but from their perspective, why do the extra work of blotting out the sun and cultivating plant life on the surface, instead of just using the super strength of the vampires to imprison a few hundred humans in blackreach..

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Because someone with the arrogance of Harkon would never lower himself (status-wise) by living underground if he had the choice. He wholeheartedly believes that he should rule over all of Nirn and to do so requires blotting out the Sun. In his eyes the effort is worth it.

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  • [–] 73 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I mean a billionaire would literally attempt this if you told him that he would be the number one billionaire if he blocks the sun out.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I'm sure there was a Simpsons episode on this.

    Edit: Yep

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Is it the light or the UV rays that kill them, because if it's just the UV rays, we have technology that can block them now.

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  • [–] 81 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is just a metaphor for capitalism. Capitalism will literally kill the earth and suck the population dry just so a few can enjoy their lives.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You give Bethesda slop too much credit

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Friend did you play Skyrim?

    I don't mean to be all "Bethesda slop good" but the story they're telling (outside the main quest) is pretty spot on regarding rampant racism and nationalism tearing apart a country already at the behest of a small cabal of criminals. Vampires living on a private island want to extinct the earth so they can hunt free for a couple years just spells it out even clearer.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    FR.

    The only game of theirs that truly was allegorical and not simply cool for cool, edgy, or trying to squeeze in some hot topic buzz words and themes, was Morrowind.

    And what it was allegorical to was basically a horned-up teenager's demented fantsies.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago
    [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Meanwhile, in Legacy of Kain:

    Vampires: Uh, boss? You corrupted the pillars of Nosgoth - which is great and all - but now the sun kinda/sorta doesn't work anymore. It's always dusk.

    Kain: So what you're saying is that we vampires can move around freely. All the time. Excellent.

    Vampires: Won't that eventually kill all the humans? Yanno, with no food and all?

    Kain: ::shrugs:: Fuck 'em.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Did they need to eat humans in this lore?

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  • IIRC, there were human survivors and hold-outs, but not many. Consequently, the vampire's numbers were also rather small in turn. It was all a slow-moving apocalypse.

    Really, it's only just good enough of a backdrop for some really solid gameplay, set-pieces, and great voice-acting (well, for Soul Reaver anyway).

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Same plothole as in the Matrix movies

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I want to play a game one day where it has a character AI good enough to be able to point out something like that and have it affect the flow of that character's story.

    "Oh hum.. you... make a good point. Ok, pivoting: let's block out the sun but only on Tuesdays and Thursdays!"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    You want to play a game called Fallout: New Vegas

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    seems unrelated but yeah play it anyway

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you can prove skyrim's plants and animals need sun to survive then his plan is stupid. Otherwise, its magic and theres no sound logic to anything so it wasnt worth mentioning in a fantasy setting.

    The falmore adapted to live without sun, humans would do the same.

    Also magic might be able to produce UV rays to allow mages and farmers to still grow crops.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Weren’t there plants that grew in caves?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Yeah, there were, but you could still argue that the cave plants still require a small amount of sun similar to real world moss, and if not it was probably a fungus or bacteria that can survive with no light.

    This is what i assume the falmer would be mainly eating since they live in said enviorments. Meaning humans could potentially adapt to eat the same diet. Not even needing to use magic to farm as previously stated.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Falmer do just fine without sunlight

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, I always found his plan stupid

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