As of thirty-ish minutes ago ALL commercial air traffic in the US is grounded until further notice.

Anyone got any idea what’s going on? There are very free details about the situation I can find online right now.

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[–] 172 points 23 hours ago (16 children)

IMO theyre keeping it under wraps for one of these reasons:

  • it was an attack and they dont want panic
  • it was yet another huge failure of "ai" bullshit and they can't upset shareholders any longer so need to keep secret
  • it was floppies
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  • [–] 48 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

    It could be something totally innocuous. Last time this happened it was because one engineer pushed an update that broke everything, iirc.

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  • [–] 23 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

    Ha hahahhaha

    Hahahhahahha

    FAA ATC isn't using computers that can even run Crowdstrike, so they were safe from that.

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  • [–] 7 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    Also those aren’t the kind of systems where you would “push an update”, so the commenter I was replying to I assume was referring to that. Which did cause a ton of groundings. But not due to FAA/ATC systems, rather due to windows boxes operated by the carrier’s personnel.

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  • [–] 16 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

    Yeah, something flopped, most probably. Floppy maybe?

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  • [–] 5 points 21 hours ago*

    Maybe the tanker crash near Louisiana had more to it than a steering failure, and they figured if ships will collide might be worth figuring out more before planes go down.

    More than likely neither are related and it's smart to play it safe if air traffic controllers were having any issues

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  • [–] 77 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

    I was on a flight when everything was grounded. I asked the pilot and he could neither confirm nor deny that it’s aliens.

    My connecting flight was cancelled so I split a $600 Uber with four strangers

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  • [–] 19 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

    One of the folks looks a lot like John Candy.

    Another is an old Polish lady who said “I had a feeling ze world would end today”

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  • [–] 127 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

    We never had these kinds of outages before they got rid of DEI.

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  • [–] 22 points 19 hours ago

    It is unrelated, but it was a reference to how after the Potomac River mid-air collision, Trump blamed it on DEI before anyone even knew what had happpened and Duffy echoed that claim saying the FAA had been ruined by DEI.

    I will never forgive them for responding to a tragedy in that way.

    At least this event is just a big disruption and afaik didn't result in any accidents. Therefore I feel entitled to mock them.

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  • [–] 57 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    My theory: Trump Admin hired someone incompetent and they fucked up the comms. I mean that just the theme of trump admins basically

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  • [–] 40 points 23 hours ago* (1 child)

    The actual advisory from the FAA is:

    ATCSCC Advisory
    ATCSCC 111 DCC 11/13/2026 NATIONAL GROUND STOP
    MESSAGE:  	
    
    EVENT TIME: 13/2053 - 14/0400
    DUE TO EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND FOR REASONS OF SAFETY.
    ATTENTION ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATORS, BY ORDER OF THE FEDERAL AVIATION
    COMMAND CENTER ALL AIRPORTS ARE GROUND STOPPED. ALL DEPARTING
    TRAFFIC SHOULD REMAIN GROUND STOPPED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. INBOUND
    INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS WILL BE MANAGED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. 
    
    EFFECTIVE TIME:  	132054 - 140430
    SIGNATURE:  	26/11/13 20:54  
    

    Source: https://www.fly.faa.gov/ois/oisedit/adv_oisedit_dis?number=111&day=11132026&gdp=-1&gstop=196093

    Beyond that, all I've seen so far is:

    Markwayne Mullin, the secretary of homeland security, says Trump administration officials blamed a telecommunication outage but said they did not know its cause and that it would “take some time” to fix the issues grounding flights.

    per NYT's reporting: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2026/11/13/us/ground-stop-nationwide-flights-faa/d2ae2ce1-ac6b-59ad-ad8d-daef4e181b34

    Edit (longer quote further down from Mullin):

    Markwayne Mullin, the secretary of homeland security, blamed the ground stop on a telecommunication outage but said Trump administration officials did not know the cause, adding that it would take an extended period of time to fix the issues. “This isn’t going to just be resolved and turned around within the hour,” he said. “This is going to take some time.”

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  • [–] 39 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

    Olivia Rinaldi was claiming over on Twitter that the FAA did an update to their telecommunications equipment, which caused a reboot. However when the system rebooted it immediately crashed. So since their communications are borked they just grounded everything.

    Is it true? No idea.

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  • [–] 14 points 19 hours ago (1 child)

    I would expect there to be primary and backup services of communication. Such a massive/critical update would most likely be tested on a smaller region with the capability to fall back to the backup servers.

    But also hearing how outdated and antiquated a lot of the facilities are (I know they’re rushing to upgrade everything from floppy disks), I could bet that the backup transmission services might not even be operational for some facilities.

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  • [–] 14 points 15 hours ago

    Informed speculation but I believe this is correct. Specifically new modern (maybe vibe coded) software that is probably really tough to integrate with the hodgepodge of ancient systems current propping up our control system.

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    [–] 39 points 23 hours ago (7 children)

    Outlook and Teams outage /s

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  • [–] 24 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

    Honestly wouldn't be surprised if air traffic control is run off of one massive excel document

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  • [–] 24 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

    That functions via a series of complex formulas and macros created by an ex-employee that no current employee understands.

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  • [–] 164 points 23 hours ago (17 children)

    There's no official word, but to add some context, the FAA deployed a new AI-powered computer system for air traffic control yesterday.

    Again, no proof that that's what's going on. But it sure is interesting.

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  • [–] 91 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

    They've officially denied this as being related.

    So it probably is.

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  • [–] 22 points 18 hours ago* (6 children)

    I watched the press conference and they admitted that the AI (actually, it's called SI) systems overloaded the old routers so that's why we need $50B in emergency money from congress because Trump is a builder and he knows how to build and also previous administrations were also partly to blame

    That's the summary if you haven't see the press conference

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago (2 children)

    I hate that I can't say if that's satire or not, but I tend towards not Satire i think

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    That's a pretty faithful synopsis. If anything, they slobbered on Trump's wang a while too. I hate this world.

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  • [–] 6 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    The current SMART roll out should have been nothing but route optimization, if human controllers agreed. OTOH, that's one hell of a coincidence if that was related.

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  • [–] 7 points 18 hours ago

    It's the SMART rollout for sure. The failure point was old analog hardware that couldn't keep up with the sheer pummeling the AI algorithm was dishing out to accomplish effectively nothing the controllers couldn't do before.

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  • [–] 27 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

    Seems to be "communication issue": FAA issues nationwide ground stop on all departing flights, citing 'communication issue'"Department of Homeland Security Secretary Markwayne Mullin said Friday that there's “no indication as of yet that this was a nefarious attack against us.”"!asklemmy@lemmy.world

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  • [–] 28 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

    "It was malicious incompetence."

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  • [–] 10 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    Pretty much it. Besides the thing involving "floppy disks", there was also something involving USian ATC staff some time ago. I'm not sure if that situation afforded a decision (I'm not USian), but it seems to me the USian ATC has a curious problem of being understaffed, and it's very likely "management" want to add hallucination-prone AI to the staff. ("you're absolutely right, I misidentified ACA770 as a foreign, hostile missile. Do you want to know more about the estimated amount of collateral damage, how much airplanes got misidentified as missiles today, or do you want me to investigate if there was a hidden missile smuggled inside the luggage compartment? Let me know how to proceed!"). !asklemmy@lemmy.world

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  • [–] 4 points 21 hours ago

    The new AI system, SMART, was at this point only going to perform route optimization, a thing AI/ML should excel at, and human controllers had to agree. It was never to take over from real ATC controllers.

    OTOH, one hell of a coincidence that they rolled out stage one on the 10th and 3 days later we got serious problems. My bet? The new system was fine in isolation but broke older shit when released.

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  • [–] 26 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (4 children)

    My brother is an ATC. He didn'y have any more info yet, but I'll update this comment when he knows more.

    Edit: Just had dinner with him and he didn't have any official info. He did say that

    1. He didn't buy the official story of there being a communication issue between airports. It just doesn't make sense based on how those communications networks function (sorry wish I had more detail here. he went into copper wire laid in the 1960s and how it's different than just the public Internet.) But they wouldn't ground crop dusters and planes flying VFR out of small airports if it were a communication issue.

    2. The AI rollout that has been in the news also very likely has nothing to do with it. Absolutely NO controllers have been breifed on any new systems, so it's likely just something to grab a headline from the Trump administration.

    It was his day off but his work called twice while we were at dinner trying to get him to come in.

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  • [–] 21 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

    Trump heard ‘the copilot’ was down and thought ‘but how are they going to land the planneesss? And grounded the country

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    [–] 29 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

    Well the news places just had a story a day or two ago about how they were rolling out AI air traffic control systems nationwide. Could be that their new AI shit the bed right away

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  • [–] 40 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

    The AI is prioritizing safety by not letting anyone fly.

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  • [–] 2 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    Scientists used AI to solve the sustainability challenges associated with passenger air transport.

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  • [–] 13 points 23 hours ago (1 child)

    does this include flights for medical reasons? Like transporting rare antivenom, and organs, and patients? I wonder how many people this will kill

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  • [–] 31 points 17 hours ago* (4 children)

    I just now read regional traffic control centers, which link all the others, got overloaded with data traffic because the FAA communication system is a patchwork mess - multiple generations of new tech integrated with old legacy systems and each other over a long span of time. That kind of setup can be nursed and prodded along for years by dedicated maintainers, but at some point the upside-down Slurpee cup that's been holding up one end of the shelf crumples and everything falls on the floor.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    they really should have updated those systems during COVID, they missed that window

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago

    Part of the problem is that the flight control system is fully owned and operated by the FAA and the agency has issues implementing a multi-year modernization program. It would likely work a lot better if the modernization program was run through the municipal airports.

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