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[–] 49 points 1 day ago (1 child)
  • [–] 33 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    Pros:

    • They eat lots of flying bugs, like mosquitoes
    • Fuck you HOA
    • LOL

    Cons:

    • You are a man with bats, but not Batman
    • Rabies
    • Just so, so much bat shit
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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Free guano is a Pro!...butt rabies. That's really a downer.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 day ago (21 children)

    Bats are a good thing... why would anyone complain?

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    An estimated <1% carry rabies and that number is skewed heavily because the ones tested tend to already be suspected due to disease/behavior.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

    My drunk ass got bit by a mouse pulling him out of a trash can at my wedding (it was basically in the woods). Did some research to see if I needed shots and it turns out mice have never given a human rabies.

    Anyway, while looking I got numbers on my country and the ones to my left and right. Bats were by far the most cases of infection, nothing was even close.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    For the past 50 years, there have been fewer than 10 human cases of rabies reported each year in the United States. However, any potential rabies exposure should be taken seriously, and bats are no exception.

    Bats are the most common species to test positively for rabies, but they are also the most common species tested. According to the rabies surveillance data from the CDC in 2023 (the most recent year for which data was published), bats accounted for 1,298 rabies-positive wildlife samples, followed by raccoons (1,085 positive samples). But when accounting for all bats tested over the year (nearly 24,000 specimens), this means only about 5% of tested bats were rabid. In contrast, 10% of submitted raccoons, 19% of submitted foxes, and 20% of submitted skunks returned positive rabies tests.

    It is important to remember that simply being near a bat is not cause for alarm, especially if both you and the bat are outdoors, awake, and behaving normally.

    So why are bats most associated with human cases of rabies? One reason is that people often only notice bats when something is wrong. A grounded, lost, or injured bat is much more likely to be noticed than one flying overhead. Another challenge is the difficulty in diagnosing a rabid bat by its behavior. While some rabid bats show the most recognizable aggression associated with rabies, sick bats also often show symptoms of “dumb” rabies, appearing weak and unusually tame. As a result, people may be more willing to approach or handle them.

    Unlike bites from larger animals, bat bites and scratches can be small and may go unnoticed or appear insignificant. Unrecognized or disregarded exposure means a person may be less likely to seek medical treatment. For these same reasons, it is also recommended that in addition to known direct contact with a bat, any potential contact — such as a finding a bat in a room with someone sleeping, unattended children, or anyone who could not confidently rule out exposure — should be taken seriously and discussed with your medical health care provider.

    Taking possible rabies exposure seriously is important because without treatment, it is deadly. But a clear understanding of how rarely it spreads to people, and what a small proportion of bats are potential spreaders can reduce unnecessary fear of bats and help people make calm decisions that keep them safe.

    Bat Conservation International

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  • [–] 7 points 1 day ago (1 child)
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    Glad you found it helpful!

    I got my rabies shots this year so I can work with raccoons, foxes, skunks, bats, etc when our rehab clinic goes back to full staff in the spring.

    I'm looking forward to learning more about rabies, and to get some even more exclusive access to some adorable little vector species, of course! 😇

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    Because mice are so small if it did get rabies the normal way one does, from a bite, it would have succumbed to the bite wounds already? At least that's what I saw when I was reading up on the close fear of ”I clear mice traps” and suddenly worried.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 day ago (5 children)

    If you don't mess with them, they are highly unlikely to mess with you...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    A rabid animal in it's contagious state has basically no functioning brain left. It will attack for no reason, unprovoked and may even go out of it's way to do so.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I lived around bats the majority of my life. Shit does happen, but they're not out to get you. You're far more likely to get bit by a dog or hit by a car.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    A rabid bat is no longer a "bat" it's the rabies virus with wings. It will NOT behave like a healthy, or even typically sick bat.

    There's two major presentations of rabies when it's in it's contagious stage, one is that the bat (or other animal) becomes "dumb" - it might just lie there, or maybe try to approach you if it's motor functions aren't completely compromised.

    The second is the one you hear about more - the "angry" response. The motor function portion of the brain isn't as affected, but the part that creates the "fight or flight" response is, and the lever is stuck on "fight". It WILL attack anything it happens to get close enough to.

    Regardless, the bat is no longer experiencing conscious thought. It's not a bat, it's rabies with wings.

    You're far more likely to get bit by a dog or hit by a car.

    This is true but has nothing to do with this discussion. You're probably also more likely do die by choking on a bat that accidentally flew into your mouth.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago

    This is true but has nothing to do with this discussion. You’re probably also more likely do die by choking on a bat that accidentally flew into your mouth.

    Was only sharing that, if you must live in fear, then live in fear of the more appropriate things...

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Bats are cool. Our area has a bunch of small ones that come out at dusk and zip around eating bugs.

    Remember, HOAs can be removed by a vote. If yours sucks: Do some leg work, and talk to your neighbors.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    When I looked into it I found that HOAs are almost impossible to remove. Mainly because so long as a house is under a mortgage then the controlling bank has an interest in keeping the HOA.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago

    Okay now read this again and tell me vampires don't run the government.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 day ago

    I love bats!

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    [–] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    I like how everybody has gone from complaining about unaffordable housing to HOAs

    Progress, I guess

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  • [–] 6 points 1 day ago (9 children)

    Yeah, you can't just build a structure. It likely has to be approved by the board, so anything you build without approval is subject to be removed.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 day ago (8 children)

    This is the whole premise of the post, though. You build it without approval. The bats move in. The HOA demands removal of unapproved structure. Bats are federally protected so they can't.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

    Can’t the HOA still fine you every day that you don’t comply? The fact that you aren’t allowed to remove it due to federal law, doesn’t necessarily invalidate your contract with the HOA. Sounds like a recipe for needing lawyers and court dates

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I would guess there's some boilerplate legalese in the contract saying they can't force you to do anything illegal, like a saving clause or severability clause. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Doubt it. There's a clause in mine that says basically the officers of the organization are indemnified except in cases of gross neglect or intentional wrongdoing.

    You accept the covenants of the HOA when you move in, and structures like this take time to build and also to be inhabited. Any HOA that is actually going to enforce against unapproved structures will serve you notice to remove long before the first bat bat moves in.

    That makes me think it's probably going to be on you to pay some hefty fines if you decide to ignore the removal order. As to what eventually happens? Idk IANAL, but it wouldn't surprise me if you had to make continued renovations to bring said bat roost into the character and style of the neighborhood or something else wacky.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago

    US contract law provides that any portion of a contract which does not serve the public interest is unenforceable, which usually applies in cases where compliance with the contract would violate the law in some way.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago

    This makes the HOA order illegal. The resident can then countersue for any lawyer fees etc.

    Honestly I am sort-of grateful for the idiot land developer who is trying to build an apartment complex next to my small HOA. A large portion of the land is next to a stream and wildlife preserve and can't be legally developed. The idiot keeps trying to push through exceptions etc. It's kept the HOA fully distracted for the past decade. The developer almost got it through once by bribing the city council. The courts shut it down before construction could begin. All of the city council lost their seats in the next election because of it and other sketchy activities.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    As if HOA wouldn't just destriy or burn it when you ain't looking and then pin the crime onto you.

    Can't trust them not to break the law in order to make profit. Besides, who's going to stop them? The other HOA neighborhood members who will refuse to help you in fear of retaliatory behavior?

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