I can’t wait to find out what’s gonna happen to my retirement money because of these absolute fuckers.
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I sincerely hope that a few of the fascist tech bros get absolutely obliterated. If all of them were gone with the snapped of a finger the world would instantly be a better place.
By 'obliterated' you mean 'bailed out' right?
I don't think a bail out would work (which isn't to say the Trump administration won't try it - you can never confidently predict they won't do something stupid). If they can't work out how to make a profit after $2T of capex, more money on the furnace isn't going to help.
As much as the bank bailouts after 2008 left a bad taste in my mouth, banks are at least self evidently a profitable business that were able to successfully use the bailout to stay afloat.
I could potentially see the AI companies' creditors getting a bailout but most of them seem to be private equity so a bailout would be really unpopular (although see my above comments on not betting against the current US leadership doing something stupid).
On the bright side, there's a real chance we could see Larry Ellison go personally bankrupt. He lives on loans secured against Oracle shares and Oracle is currently indebted up to its eyeballs and borrowing at basically junk rates. If it goes down, those loans get called and he eats shit (to the delight of Sun Microsystems fans everywhere).
you can never confidently predict they won't do something stupid
I'd argue you can predict they will do something stupid because that's basically all they've done ever since they took office
What would that mean for Skydance?
If we have a revolution and round capitalist class up and arrest them the world will be instantly better
I doubt it. I could see something like OpenAI and Anthropic bought up by someone else. Google, MS, Oracle?
I doubt any of these people will ever miss a meal or have no roof over their head.
Even if these people were to be worth 1/100th of what they are worth now, they'd still be plenty comfortable.
I'm not really seeing a bloodbath, S&P 500 still up more than 10% YTD.
If that is a bloodbath then what term are they going to use for an actual crash?
The AI sector has suffered losses to the tune of 20-59% over the last month or so.
Yes some of them are still up YTD (some are even down YTD), but at the same time, the situation in 1929 was similarly less bad looking if you started from January of that year, but the graphs showing how bad it was in practice always start in September.
As the ponzi scheme gets larger, it becomes more sensitive to small changes.
Inb4 bailouts by the USA govt
They literally don't have enough money, even if they cut everything.
What if we sold all the parks and most of the buildings to foreign nations and billionaires and their friends?
Yeah, I don't know if "fear" is really the right word here... more like "anticipation"
The 2098 2008 crash was caused by the rate of mortgage growth beginning to slow. It was a confidence issue in MBS, similar to the AI bubble now. People are starting to lose confidence in their investments and wondering if it is still a good idea to buildout massive data centers.
People have been feeling shaky about the market for years. It's all built on unicorn farts and nothing makes sense anymore.
It was wild seeing the panic after DeepSeek. I have no idea what is propping it up after that.
I think they hope to keep it going based on vibes and keeping hardware so expensive (for others) that companies don't opt to build their own local rigs to run a model that is probably "good enough" for a lot of tasks.
AI is not going anywhere, but the speculative fictions around all this are going to look wild in the aftermath, IMHO. Like tulip-bulb mania stupid. The notion that everyone needs "frontier models" all the time for all tasks and is going to pay enough in fees to do it just seems crazy to me.
I think they hope to keep it going based on vibes and keeping hardware so expensive (for others) that companies don't opt to build their own local rigs to run a model that is probably "good enough" for a lot of tasks.
That didn’t occur to me. Makes sense tho. I sort of was wondering why companies hadn’t figured it out yet. Investment into running on your own hardware needs to be super expensive so they can sell you their AI service.
At least my portfolio is hedged by defensive stocks if the crash happens.
Many are now asking whether this hyperscale approach — in which tech monopolies build massive, energy-intensive data centers to fuel AI demand — is a sustainable approach, compared to one which deploys efficient and lightweight models for a fraction of the cost.
For many investors at this point, the hyperscale approach simply has to work
If they just believe hard enough it will come true and it will be their Xmas miracle.
I very much doubt hyperscalers make much sense in the long term. I have no idea what the financials are (or what insider financial scheme they have cooked up).
But when you experiment with smaller models on very much consumer hardware - Macbooks for instance - or when you look at how costs per 1M tokens has dropped over the years, I don't see how this massive, massive buildout makes any sense. When I hear Elon talking about building "compute in space" as almost a foregone concusion I wonder if he's not running a super-scam or if he has a head injury.
They've been pushing for the government to take a stake in AI companies so that when they go bankrupt it's no longer a private sector issue and they can justify a bailout. I am strongly against the government or taxpayers being involved. The AI should stay completely private sector so that when they go bankrupt they get NO BAILOUTS.
looks like AI is slowling leaking out from the cyst rather than bursting.
1970s: Microwaves are the stoves of the future!
2010s: The Metaverse is the future!
2020s: AI is the future!
Microwaves have been immensely successful though. In some countries >95% of all households have one. In the US they’re more common than cable TV ever was. They went through a boom in the 1980ies where that number shot up from 10%-ish to 80%-ish. If AI is like microwaves it’ll be considered essential in another 10 years.
If microwaves are the analogy for AI then I'm good with it. In my house today I have an oven, a stovetop, a counter top toaster oven/air fryer thingy, and a microwave. Each serves its own purpose but none replaces the other completely.
If in the future AI is a tool that sits and waits it's turn for me to use it for the thing it is best at then I think it will have a place.
If instead it costs a subscription fee, is forced into every other appliance, replaces jobs en mass, and accelerates the downfall of the climate I'm gonna pass.
microwaves are tools, but they are in no way a replacement for the stove.
No one ever believed in the Metaverse except one very rich weirdo. Blockchain and cryptocurrencies were the 2010s' really big hype wave.
I think people were making fun of the metaverse pretty much the day of the announcement.
Heck, it was already beaten to the punch by VR Chat and arguably 2nd Life eons before. He clearly just needed some 'big new concept' to pitch to investors about how they could 10x in two years after FB users flatlined
What I found bizarre - and I didn't see anyone commenting on this, although I can hardly be the only one that noticed - is how much the character design reminded me of the Wii aesthetic? Not really sure why.
Also, it was not even an original name. I realize most of these asshats lift most their ideas from sci-fi, but since I actually liked fiction like Snow Crash, I was annoyed by that, as well.
AI is not going away any more than the Internet did after the dot-com bubble when booooom.
what are you guys making for dinner tonight?
Tuna salad sandwich with one regular slice of bread, one butt slice, from a bag I accidentally left open yesterday. I need to go shopping pretty bad...
I had sushi, it was wonderful. But my wonderful partner made 15 bean soup for the week and it came out so good. Andouille and Italian sausage and lots of pepper and tomato. Just perfect.
I got some ribs and over done steaks from my aunt I've had boiling in tomato sauce all day, it's going make some awesome spaghetti sauce!
I think I'll hold off investing in my index fund for a while longer lol
I can understand being wary about the stock market right now. However, inflation is at 3.7% right now for the year up from 3.4%. You can continue hold onto your money, but it buys approximately 3.7% less than it did in January 12 months ago overall. If you'd put that money into the market in Jan 1 a year ago instead of having 3.7% less, you'd have a 6.82% more now, but you can't go back in time with that knowledge to do that.
If you're looking to park your money safely without having it eaten up by inflation, currently US short term (4-weeks long) treasury bills are paying a bit more than 3.9%. .2% profit is not much profit, but its better than a 3.7% loss in value.
edit: corrected specifics, thank you @boonhet@sopuli.xyz
To be clear that 3.7% is the 12 months ending in September, not January through October. Inflation is rarely measured YTD, it's usually the trailing 12 months
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but it buys approximately 3.7% less than it did in January overall.
part of your comment is inaccurate
Yea in the US, in Romania it's even worse... Our last recorded inflation was 6.5% for september... In May it was 9.7%...
I need to figure out a way to keep my money... Though I at least converted it to Euro. I will probably park it in some sort of short term EU treasuries, tho I've no idea if those are any good... I'll see.
People looking forward to this don't realize how much all of us will get so fucked by an actual implosion.
It won't be Musk, Altman, etc who really suffer.
Also, a few tech stocks went down in the day's trading, but even those are up (way up) YTD, so I guess we'll see what happens.
The longer the scam goes on, the more it hurts everyone. The sooner it pops, the better.
Yeah, probably true. There is a way a responsible admin might try to orchestrate a softer landing. The assholes in this administration are not the least bit responsible.
I'm just remembering two things:
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The people that could not wait for the dot-com bubble to burst. That was extremely painful in the job market if you were even tangentially related to dot-com.
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Same thing for people that could not wait for the inflated house prices to drop. Also, extremely painful, for nearly everyone.
In China, the AI bubble has already burst
.... The meltdown, tanking the mainland STAR50 index of AI and semiconductor leaders by 40% in less than four months and vaporising some $480 billion in market value, is an ill omen for wobbly world markets and a dampener on China's efforts at encouraging its savers into stocks to fund the AI boom.
... With AI stocks running to 42% of China's market capitalisation and 57% of turnover across mainland-listed A-shares and Hong Kong's H-shares, according to Goldman Sachs, few in a market dominated by small investors have escaped pain.
... Shares in robot-maker Unitree, 8,000 times oversubscribed by retail buyers at listing, have halved since they started trading in August, and chipmaker CXMT has lost more than a quarter of its value in the past month.
... Chipmakers MetaX Integrated Circuits and Moore Threads Technology, which leapt 700% and 400% respectively on their market debuts last year, have also halved in value since July.
... Frustration that an investment theme backed by Beijing has ended so badly has driven many investors into defensive assets and is likely to slow equity fundraising by tech firms.
A remarkable detail in China, citing the report:
The frenzy and its fallout contrast with a push by authorities to improve returns and dampen volatility by cracking down on leverage and high-frequency trading. State-backed investors were sellers into rallies to keep gains in check.
[Emphasis mine.]
If that bubble ever bursts i want more ethical AI models and approaches.
All we’re gonna see is bailouts, consolidation, and the rest of us lose our savings.
If we see that, we need to see gun ownership and armed protests rise.
I could see both. If the AI bubble really pops, used hardware may be available for pennies on the dollar. People and companies may be able to run local models for much less.
But yeah, I could see a lot of us hurting in other ways, even if models get more efficient and more local.
These companies have no such consciousness about the hardware. I’ve seen video after video where they just pay some scrapper to come in and crush everything for recycling rather than pay some company to come in, sort, process and list everything for sale or auction.
Not if you start shorting now. Trust me, nothing can go wrong with a safe short.


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