Gotta point out that the french protests, while they are in general for everyone that doesn't mean it's not extremely partisan and divided. It's just we all know Macron is absolute trash 🤷

Picture from 2026 autumn french protests. Yellowshirt 2.

Caption "this could be us, but we're too busy fighting each other instead of the corrupt system"

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[–] 48 points 1 week ago* (6 children)

Hard to get along with white Christian nationalists that believe in fairy tales that they believe are a higher power than the government which exists in reality. There is no common ground when opposing side believes in space fairies and leprechauns.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago

    We can do better about accepting the ones that do leave. They likely leave their entire support system in maga and they're essentially exiled. Vulnerable position to be in. Then the other side attacks you relentlessly, so you run back to the echo chamber and your support system. They don't deserve forgiveness, or anything really, but if the goal is solidarity and unity, we could be more compassionate with our "we fucking warned you morons" side of it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    You have more in common with these folks than you think. Amplify your common ground, don't let the media that portrays them in a certain negative light amplify what you disagree on.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    Long ago, I used to be one of those chuds. I agree with you that it's hard to get along with them, but I also think a lot of them can be reached. Especially right now.

    The inherent contradictions on the Right have never been greater in the US (in my uneducated opinion). A lot of them are looking for answers, and, if done correctly, can be converted.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    "A house divided against itself cannot stand."

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  • [–] 28 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    But trans people exist or something so we can't /s

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Yep we're all-powerful cultural destabilizers but also weak and ripe for disenfranchisement by the stupidest people around. Typical fascist bullshit.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    It’s me trying to convince my otherwise VERY progressive friend who just happens to be in a cult (Mormon). She’s horrified by everything Trump stands for and her entire family being deeply in love with the biblical antichrist.

    But somehow she keeps falling for ‘those biological men are coming for you sports’. She isn’t even into any sport, but keeps getting easily duped by it. She understands that trans folk were some of the earliest victims of the Nazis and is repulsed by the Group Of Pedos being so obsessed with examining women for the ‘right parts’ in bathrooms and at schools.

    I won’t stop pushing back, but it’s exhausting seeing someone who is otherwise a good person fall for this shit every time it’s presented.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I'm sorry, but she falls for it because she's a transphobe. It's like someone in the '60s saying "I don't think we should lynch the blacks but I also don't want to share a bathroom with them." Or some guy in the '20s saying "I love my wife but she shouldn't be able to vote or open a bank account."

    She's disgusted by the inevitable consequences of her casual bigotry but refuses to deal with it. She could stop anytime she wants. She just doesn't want to. And she probably swears up and down she's not a bigot, right? lol

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    I’m certain she is. She’s the least awful kind, the “eww they’re gross type”. I find it quite frustrating as she’s a recovering conservative still stuck in Mormonism since leaving would cut her off from her entire family. She always been treated as lesser, not only by her awful religion but also by her family due to a variety of circumstances.

    There’s far too many people like her. They don’t want trans people in death camps, but they don’t want to have to change they view gender.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    That's why the rich are pushing transphobia. Everything is a class issue.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (13 children)

    About 500,000 French have taken part on the protests, and about 3-7 million Americans took part in the February No Kings protest. There's a wide range of estimates on actual participation, but it's fair tonsay that with only 5 times the population the US had at least as much participationper capita.

    But the US is 18 times the area of France, so they couldn't centralize it. Instead we got a few good crowds of 100,000+ going in major cities like New York and LA, and thousands of smaller protests around the country.

    The US protests looked small, but were massive.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago* (11 children)

    They were also relatively peaceful and non-disruptive.

    France got one of their leaders to resign already, Macron refused it.

    What resignations, policy changes, material clawbacks or concessions have the massive US protests gotten?

    I say this as someone who has been to most of them and helped with organizing. It's a yes, and situation.

    Unfortunately a state that monopolizes violence only understands one language.

    The point of protest should be the disruption of the status quo.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    Oh please, when they raised retirement age in France there was a bunch of protests that lead to... The retirement age being raised. I say this as someone who observed, you are full of it.

    You are just trying to romanticise violence as France has not protested its way out of being a fascist shithole and won't anytime soon.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Ah yes, Macrons retirement age. The one he had to push through - killing his reputation and any future election. The whole problem with protesting is that peaceful protests don't do shit without any threat of violence. It might not do anything but Ghandi was the option the powerful aligned with due to more radical violent options being there.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_French_pension_reform_law this and the linked wiki articles are decent coverage. It should also be said that this is the 3rd time the pension age was attempted to be raised in france, so third time's the charm for killing your voterbase.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Peaceful protest don't work against fascists who only recognize violence as power? This isn't the win you think it is.

    You are correct that the wealthy will often side with the peaceful protestors in order to quell the more violent groups. This is appeasement, not capitulation.

    Thanks for the information about the French Pension Reform. Just like in the US, and everywhere else, the wealthy get what they want. Ending one politicians career is nothing to them. They have several more waiting in the wings.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    The point is that no change happens in an unjust system without violence or threats of violence? I seem to get the impression you agree with me now, or that you claim that nonviolent or violent action both cause no change.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

    The point is the system is unjust and violent and everytime violence is used to overthrow it we just recreate another violent system.

    I agree with your charactization of change in how the wealthy will often side with the nonviolent side of progressives/radicals because to them they are the lesser of evils. We have seen this play out several times. In this scenario, it is important that the violent group is separated from the nonviolent group. If the nonviolent group is associated with the violence it will typically fail to co-opt the wealthy.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 week ago

    oh yea, then I get your point and pretty much same page :') I think you're spot on in that the violent and non-violent group have been seperate before - but in semi-democracies a lot of political parties can align with parts of protester demands - or we can get parties formed from protest movements like the student-group in serbia this year.

    I do have the hope that we can create a non-violent, just system - I don't think we should give up on trying even if we've yet to succeed! :)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    I think you've missed what I said entirely while going on to agree with my point with another commenter.

    The system is unjust, built on violence. That is the only language it now understands.

    As you, yourself, say, change has bot been effectual without a sufficient threat of violence from another group. Capitulation of the wealthy and powerful. Would you rather deal with MLK or Malcolm X? Both were necessary to change, only one is lauded as a hero and he was killed for choosing the peaceful route.

    I'm not advocating for violence outright. I'm advocating for disruption. Block off roads, in fundraisers, interrupt closed door meetings that sell your parks for data centers. Make people uncomfortable, force them to notice the status quo is broken.

    Historically, has violence, which is monopolized by the state and effectuated on the people through financial hardship, healthcare denials, homelessness, incarceration, police brutality, surveillance, and more, been effective at forcing change? Historically? Yes. That's an observation as opposed to romanticization.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    You are advocating for nonviolent protest. I agree. I also agree that there are lots of examples of government siding with the nonviolent side of radicals. This is historically accurate and at times the violent radicals have cooperated with nonviolent radicals to further the cause. As I stated in another post, it is important in this scenario for the nonviolent radicals not to be associated with violence.

    Change to another violent system is not really a win which has played out in several revolutionary movements.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Malcolm X Vs MLK was a perfect example of how your assumption is baseless: MLK changed nothing. The 64 "civil rights" act was a nothing burger that lead to him continuing to protest until he was murdered. At that point, every city in the US rioted for 9 days solid, causing the 68 civil rights act to be written and passed as a matter of urgency.
    Protest does nothing unless backed by violence.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    But the US is 18 times the area of France, so they couldn’t centralize it.

    Houston packed downtown with a No Kings Protest

    You can find pictures like this in a bunch of major American cities, if you know what to search for

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    What's that flag in the background? Brittany?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Yep. It's virtually impossible to be at an event that gathers more than 1000 french people and not see a Gwenn ha Du

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    I've literally never seen that flag in my life. Thanks for naming it so I can look it up.

    Really makes our (the US) flag look like a ripoff, to be honest. Then again, many flags are.

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    I took this photo the other day. Just sharing from Bordeaux (Macron, fuck your wife, not us)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I feel like it's important to note, the furthest city from from Paris is Marsielle at 660km.

    Going to DC from Seattle (one of the furthest cities in the contingent US) is a 3700 km trip.

    The US has no problem rioting: see Jan 6 riots. The main problem is the general worker doesn't have the means to take 2 weeks off work to go protest for a few hours.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    The main difference with US protests is duration & disruption.

    We're not hearing about one protest in France. We're hearing about prolonged action.

    But that hits your same point. No one has the means to not be earning money to take the time to meaningfully protest.

    That's the design. That's the trap.

    Its the same reason why the elite is so scared about declining birth rates. Its not about declining productivity in 20 years. These fucks aren't even concerned about making the planet literally uninhabitable in 20 years. What they're concerned about is an active population with nothing to lose.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Who says you need to go to DC? Aren't there any politicians in your local government that deserve to hear some of the people's voice?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Sure do. The big prorests have been the "No Kings" protests. They were really good at slapping Trump right in the ego. I think it was the largest (in some fashion or another). We got a load of changes coming from that. Right?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    The center wing should join the left in fighting the right wing.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    French people are the GOATs of protesting

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    That's a cool photo. How'd they manage to make the French flag with smoke? that's amazing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    I came to this comment section to discuss "MAURICE YO".

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  • Part of the issue of that divide is that there's a not insignificant amount of people who would fight against people wanting a better life because they're in a cult.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    No we’re to busy working and trying to keep our homes

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    You don't think everyone in France doesn't have a full time job and a home/apartment to keep?

    Or do you think France is just full of millions of homeless people?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    I totally agree with the crux of the message but something has been.... growing in the back of my mind.

    The french really know how to protest. We've seen time and time again, both in paris and around the country, they can shut everything down and gather enormous numbers to get out on the streets and apply pressure.

    But what's it accomplishing? Because for all the times they've come out, they still have to keep coming out - and at some point it does seem like "well didn't they accomplish this with the last round of protests that shut down the gov? what happened?"

    I'm not shitting on their resolve - I envy it. But accomplishing the mission means more than showing on the street, are they moving the system? Or will they be out protesting again next year, after a raft of promises that never, again, materialize?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    This protest led to the educational minister leaving, a huge budget increase in education sector and rehiring several thousand teachers

    Here's a decent winipedia site on this protest, feel free to follow links to other protests that have happened.

    Sure it might not give us Macron's head on a pole - and no revolution - but concrete protests have lead to concrete results.

    Edit: I must have misheard, at least can't find that the education minister left? So check out article for any results of protests sry 😅

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    Americans literally in the street right now: I sleep

    France doing a protest, then immediately sending Macron back for another term: Why can't we be like that?!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    Your "protests" have no demands and disrupt nothing: Americans aren't protesting, they're just holding street parties on the weekend.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Your “protests” have no demands and disrupt nothing

    Plainly untrue.

    The coverage of the protests don't list demands. The impact of the protests regularly get downplayed and dismissed. The policing of the protests is what ultimately squelches demands and stymies disruption.

    Americans aren’t protesting

    Americans are alienated from one another. They are gulled into believing falsehoods. They are told that protests aren't happening, that protests have ended when they have not, that protests have no leadership, that the leadership is infiltrated by bad actors (Russians, Iranians, The Other Party manipulators, the Mafia, the Gay Mafia, lizard people, whatever), that protests are counterproductive, that their False Flags, and that actually the only real form of protest is voting.

    No more crystal clear example of this was the J6 protest in DC. News coverage of the riot was blacked out for hours, even as people were storming straight into Nancy Pelosi's office and shitting on the desk.

    The immediate coverage of the protest was that it was a Fifth Column False Flag my Antifa.

    Subsequent news reports claimed it was caused by Russian disinformation.

    None of the actual funders or organizers of the riot were prosecuted, but a bunch of idiot influencers took the fall.

    And liberals went into 2021 thinking J6 had put an end to Trump's legitimacy.

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  • In other words : protests in the USA are not that different to protests in France.

    We just get sweked information about each-other. I suppose it's because of the oligopoly of billionaire-owned media empires in our two countries. (And because of of the ad-fueled monetization that don't encourage media teams to checkthe quality and factuality of articles.)

    Not to forget our countries don't have the same population density either. (France's nationwide density is more that 3 times the USA's nationwide density.) This could play a big role, especially combined to the countries' size difference.

    French law is supposedly more protective of protesters, although these protections have been progressively eroded since they exist, with an acceleration under the latest presidents. (France is now a very repressive country compared to its european neighbours.)

    Also as a side tangent, about people resting during such important protests, while still favorable to these : I blame intense exhaustion (of all forms) due to the current levels of exploitation we're subjected to. (And fear, because of how those in power police opposition.)

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

    Related video from Rowan Ellis: https://youtu.be/ehqNe1-FgLw (Sorry it's on youtube.)

    (She went to Paris to report on the protest without parotting discourse from the main media groups.)

    PS : There's a long comment on the front page of the video, beginning by these two lines very, that in my opinion adds useful additional info:

    A few corrections :

    • The movement started first in French colonies, which I would have loved for you to mention a bit. Their conditions are way worse and that says a lot given the conditions mainland France's schools are in (Read the rest to get everything.)
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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 days ago (1 child)

    Oh wow! I was unaware of it beginning in the colonies, that makes so much sense - and it's also not mentioned most places yiikes!

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  • I was too, before several media channels opposed to domination/oppression/exploitation systems revealed it.

    Well, most information traveling through continental european ("mainland") part of France are "mainland"-centric. These are even often centered around specifically some big cities or the Île-de-Frane région (including Paris).

    Those of us who, like me, are not descendants of colonised people will have to follow decolonial or anticolonial circles to get decent information about what happens outside of our bubble. I mean when even a ministre, now president, confuses Guyane with an island, we've got some serious progress to make toward equality...

    Like some people from independant media say, colonial empires never really ended, they just transformed their surface-level appearance.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (9 children)

    Our police shoot to kill out here.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    French police are probably some of the closest in that regard. They do the same.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Police violence is the reason French protesters go so hard. If you have to go in with the assumption that your protest will be met with violence you have to be aggressive in your tactics.

    I have been to protests in the US where the organizers were able to make a clear distinction between the few who are risking arrest, and the rest who were under no risk, to the extent that very old retired people with mobility issues were comfortable joining; despite the intentions to commit crimes and have arrests. American protests are usually peaceful because you have a right to protest, and organizers can plan around the assumption of that right being respected.

    Blaming guns for American having weak protests is a fundimential misrepresentation.

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    I have guns. I'm not ever going to shoot one in the middle of a crowd of people. 90+% of bullets miss their target in actual combat.

    If I was carrying my gun and a mass shooter went off, I also probably wouldn't engage. My little 9mm is good against a carjacker or a mugger with a knife. It's mostly for dealing with wild hogs - I shoot about 1 a week with it.

    In a mass shooting, the rule is to escape. If you can't escape you hide. If you can't escape or hide, fight back. Having a gun on me doesn't change that, and I'm certainly not volunteering to get in a gunfight against a crazy person with a long gun, extra ammo, and no concern about collateral damage armed with only my little pocket pistol.

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  • One issue with that is that you need a lot of coordination, cooperation, and community behind you. We're not just dealing with the fascist police, we're dealing with the fascist cultists here. We still have a host of people who disagree with this regime as well that are horribly squeamish on what it takes to defeat fascists.

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