The two developers behind Azahar have announced that they're dropping official support for Anbernic retro handhelds, following the company's decision to promote its upcoming 3DS-esque dual screen RG DDS using AzaharPlus, an unofficial fork of the 3DS emulator.

I spoke at length with Azahar's two lead developers, OpenSauce and PabloMK7, some time ago for a separate interview, and looking back through their answers, I realized a few were particularly relevant to what's happening now. I've included some of those comments in this article, alongside a look at what prompted the decision, the differences between Azahar and AzaharPlus, and what it might mean for Anbernic owners.

Again, this is a much, much shorter 'article' than my usual work, so it is on my NeoCities page/experiment this time, rather than my usual site :)

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[–] 12 points 1 week ago

Maybe Anbernic couldve made a donation first

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    The users will suffer the most. I hope they can solve their issues.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    All these fancy new DS hardware models and I've gotten lazy about my wireless multiplayer project I'm supposed to go research and work on lol.

    I reaaaaaaaaaaaaally want to buy this console for family and friends so we can play multiplayer just like the DS/3DS era but MelonDS (and Azahaar AFAIK) only implemented the protocol over the regular network stack which makes it almost impossible to play over WiFi and just barely doable over Ethernet because the DS needs <20 microseconds of "packet" latency.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    AzaharPlus is much more comfortable for a 3ds user. With a modded console you can use FBI to extract your games to cia format and play them as is on AzaharPlus; instead of being forced to decrypt it on an external tool which adds one unnecessary step to Azahar

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    you can use FBI to extract your games to cia format

    wtaf

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Haha for context: the 3DS's native format for apps/games/etc. is called "cia", for some reason. Probably like "CTR installable application" or some shit, I dunno.

    FBI is a pun on that, it's a homebrew CIA installer tool.

    -- Frost

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Hardware is still there and probably worth supporting. Users are not going anywhere, and it wasn't their fault that Anbernic (or rather, their PR person) decided to promote their new product with something that works easier for the end user.

    Also I'm just wondering how it would end if AzaharPlus would be called differently, without "Azahar" in its title. Would they still blame Anbernic? Would they blame that fork authors instead for basically the same thing they did themselves with Citra?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    I don't think it's hypocritical to ask for money to develop an emulator. There is nothing wrong with this to me. Regardless who said it or says it, that's not the point. But distributing hardware with an Open source project that can emulate, and put Roms and sell this for money is nor just morally wrong, but also illegal. Usually emulator developers want to distance themselves from this, because its illegal and also their project and work would be associated with the illegal activity. There is nothing hypocritical about that.

    And that's a general stance I have, not just about Anbernic or Azahar+ or anyone else, its a general statement by me.

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    [–] 14 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    unofficial fork? its an unofficial emulator. What does unofficial fork mean? what is an official fork? It's open source. someone forked it and doing their own thing. It's also fine for the Azahar to stop supporting the anberric handhelds. That's how open source works.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 week ago

    unofficial fork? its an unofficial emulator. What does unofficial fork mean? what is an official fork? It’s open source. someone forked it and doing their own thing. It’s also fine for the Azahar to stop supporting the anberric handhelds. That’s how open source works.

    An unofficial fork just means it's a version of Azahar maintained independently of the original development team, rather than by the people behind the official project. It's still an emulator, and there's nothing inherently wrong with forking open-source software. That's one of the benefits of open source! I didn't mean to indicate that there was anything wrong with that, at all.

    The issue isn't really that AzaharPlus exists, but that Anbernic chose to promote it rather than the original project, despite the Azahar team's concerns about some of its features and branding. And I agree, the developers are perfectly entitled to decide which hardware they spend their time supporting. That's largely the point of the article.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Speaking of Citra.

    Does anyone know a place to download "Citra-Nightly-1782.AppImage"?

    It is the last version that supports OpenGL 3.3 and the Linux binary won't run without outdated libraries that are themselves difficult to obtain. But the appimage bundles its dependencies.

    This archive.org page has copies of every release except the AppImage.

    This page links to the AppImage but the link is dead.

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