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[–] 217 points 2 weeks ago (58 children)

They really are beating us at everything.

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  • [–] 115 points 2 weeks ago (57 children)

    They did beat America in the race towards oppressive authoritarianism, but under Trump, the U.S. has caught up a great deal. So much winning!

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  • [+] -46 points 2 weeks ago (55 children)
  • [–] 65 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)

    People who have never experienced democracy and have only been fed lies by their authoritarian government think their country is democratic and equal. Shocker.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    One can say the same about the US... Just saying.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    To some extent... But in the USA until recently people never had reason to fear speaking out against their government.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 weeks ago

    To some extent... But in the USA until recently people never had reason to fear speaking out against their government.

    Which people? The FBI killed Black Panther organizer Fred Hampton in his bed, back in the 60s.

    The Red Scare was a decade before that.

    And the back in the 1930s, The Bonus Army, a movement of World War 1 veterans demanding payment for their service from the government, was violently crushed by the united States military.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    There's also been a certain "Soviet democracy", the democracy perception of which in the polls would be sky high especially under dear Stalin and Voroshilov leading it with iron hand, and less when dissent stopped getting you executed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Same thing with China. Dissent gets punished brutally. Young protesters are dying in camps in the thousands. The Chinese government just doesn‘t let the tanks roll in anymore. Instead they utilize mass surveillance to track down each and every protester and deport them from home. Tiananmen square massacres are happening every day behind closed doors. That‘s why the public thinks it‘s a democracy despite one party controlling everything openly, down to who may run against them in local elections. Or they‘re too afraid to say otherwise.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    And then one can think one step further and realize that western nations are not very far from similarly detecting dissenters before they do anything useful, and they don't need camps, just subtly directing them in life onto paths not harmful to the establishment and unlikely to bring offspring. Big data and social media magic.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    So then why did Russians in the same study claim abysmal democracy? Aren't they afraid of the KGB?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    The Russian psyche is one of pessimistic resignation. Its also true that Russia has never experienced free democracy. There are many who believe the fall of the USSR was a terrible thing and they blame “democracy” for their current circumstances. This is part of why Putin gets away with authoritarianism.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    So people in a nation where disagreeing with leadership is punished all agree with leadership. Interesting...

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  • [–] 21 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    Using personal opinion of crowds is notoriously very bad and people are easily misguided. ALL this says is the Chinese BELIEVE they're democratic and all equal. Not that they actually are.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago*

    You're right, and I see that opinion poll as a indicator of the direction that America has been going: a place where many people think they are in a democracy, while actually living in a country that is more authoritarian than it was in the past.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    Also, westerners like myself tend to complain about trump/etc without acknowledging the continuum of raising fascism. We should focus on the lies we have been fed, it's not easy, nor late ;)

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  • [–] 32 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

    I'm sure you'll get similar results if you ask people in North Korea.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    It's really funny to me seeing someone using a chart showcasing oppressive authoritarianism a gotcha against an accusation of oppressive authoritarianism.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Your belief that China is an authoritarian oppressive regime seems to be unfalsifiable. If approval ratings are high it's because the people are being silenced and secretly hate their government. If approval is low it's because they hate their government. If the approval ratings are real then they've been brainwashed by nationalism.

    Like everything indicates the approval ratings are real, there were studies conducted by Western universities that didn't have stake in the matter and most Chinese citizens had a positive opinion of the PRC. There's no way to fake this kind of stuff as well as you're describing for decades.

    There are various reasons for why I can understand Chinese citizens like China. They're entering the golden age of their economy right now and legitimately have competitive quality of life when compared to Americans. Their country is becoming a superpower and that could be a source of national pride for some Chinese citizens. I think those reasons can explain the results without adding in coercion.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Your belief that China is an authoritarian oppressive regime is unfalsifiable.

    you are taking a logical leap here. it's more accurate to say my belief that China is an authoritarian oppressive regime is not falsifiable by a public opinion poll. there are plenty other options that may falsify it.

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  • [+] -14 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)
  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

    That disagreement with the government is not popular there.

    Edit: don't know why I'm getting downvoted, I'm confident that that was the point, you're shooting the messenger lol

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  • [+] -12 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Because the government disappears dissenters.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    So then why in the same study do we see abysmal ratings for other authoritian dictatorships? Iraq, Kazakhstan, Cameroon, Russia, etc... If your point is that civilians in authoritarian regimes are coerced to show support in these types of polls, the results prove that notion wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago

    Does this study address the difference in circumstances? I can see for example China having the resources to maintain total surveillance abd strong censorship (especially on the internet) vs a developing country in Africa which may affect polling

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I mean... Can Chinese people vote out the current party and pick something else?

    Yes? No? No. How the fuck is it a democracy then.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

    Given the exponentially oversized influence that rich capitalists have on politics everywhere that is not socialist, it is evidently more democratic to not allow them to participate in politics at all.

    You know, governance of the people, by the people, and all that.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    So then you'd concede Ukraine is not democratic since they can't vote out Zelenskyy, right?

    The point here being - democracy isn't just "the presence of multiple political parties".

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    get outta here with your facts.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    What fact do you believe is presented in this image?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    the image shows perception of democracy is much higher in china than other countries generally considered to be developed democracies by western discourse. i thought this was self-evident.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    These are great proof of China's superiority! Until you see the Chinese questionnaires:

    Choose an option:
    [ ] My government serves the people
    [ ] I want my social credit score to take a nosedive. No more bank loans, government permits, study or career opportunities for me, please!

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  • [–] 69 points 2 weeks ago (17 children)
  • [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I'm beginning to suspect never. The industry (read nvidia) got taste for selling stuff in bulk to those who don't care about price and/or quality. They don't want to return to the world where regular people (ew) were their primary source of income. They will find new scam to use their cards on.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    When people give Intel a chance and when other companies start making good GPU's. I knowo it's terribly hard but given enough price hikes it WILL be profitable and it will happen.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Never. Western capitalists will make Chinese hardware illegal before they allow cheaper goods to undercut their profits. It’s exactly what they’re doing in the auto industry, why should tech be different?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago

    Probably not any time soon? China's buying 5090s in bulk to literally remove the chips and transplant them onto server form factor boards for AI.

    The stocks crashed because there's so much competition now and nobody can expect to take the whole market. Deepseek, Qwen, GLM, Kimi are ALL way cheaper than the US counterparts and quite comparable. It's not exciting anymore. When Deepseek R1 came out, everyone thought that Deepseek was going to completely take everything over. Now pretty much everyone is getting close to Claude in performance.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Ill take two cheap gpus please

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children)

    You can buy a 16gb v100 in a pcie card for under 400usd or just the gpu for 220usd, unfortunately the price jumps 3x minimum if you want a 32gb version

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    You can buy a 16gb v100

    no thanks, I'd prefer a GPU that can actually process graphics AND DISPLAY THEM....

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  • [+] -8 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then

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  • [–] 7 points 2 weeks ago*

    I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage.

    I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same.

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  • [–] 62 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    China tech stocks are back to March this year, and AI stocks are still almost half their stock index.

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  • [–] 168 points 2 weeks ago* (8 children)

    some context, first of all, the -40% collapse only brought the STAR50 index back to its March 2026 levels.

    and the Chinese stock market is heavily moderated by the government which is very different from the US market. if the stock rallies too quickly, the government generally speaking will try to slow it down. Sometimes through explicit policies 1, sometimes through a kind of "scare tactic" 2. Conversely, when the stock drops too sharply, the government also intervenes to prop it up 3. Honestly I feel more countries should do the same.

    The Chinese stock market is also much smaller relative to its GDP (101.5%) compared to the US (227%) 4. All this is to say, if you look at China and think, "huh, their AI bubble burst and they still seem to be fine?", think again. If and when the AI bubble bursts for the US, it's going to be much much worse.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    US markets will halt trading for those same issues.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    No! I wanna see CEOs and entire Boards jump out the window like in '29 dammit!

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Was there candy in the cockroaches?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Oh dear. I guess China ain't what it used to be.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    So China has already gotten ahead of the US on AI...

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