▲ 452 ▼ In China, the AI bubble has already burst (www.reuters.com) submitted 2 weeks ago by inari@piefed.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 143 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 69 points 2 weeks ago (17 children) Cheap GPUs when? permalink fedilink source hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) I'm beginning to suspect never. The industry (read nvidia) got taste for selling stuff in bulk to those who don't care about price and/or quality. They don't want to return to the world where regular people (ew) were their primary source of income. They will find new scam to use their cards on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 week ago When people give Intel a chance and when other companies start making good GPU's. I knowo it's terribly hard but given enough price hikes it WILL be profitable and it will happen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) Never. Western capitalists will make Chinese hardware illegal before they allow cheaper goods to undercut their profits. It’s exactly what they’re doing in the auto industry, why should tech be different? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 2 weeks ago The only country that might do that is the us. There are many western capitalists happy to buy from a competitive global market. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago Already did it with phones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bilb@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago CheaPUs permalink fedilink source parent [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 weeks ago Probably not any time soon? China's buying 5090s in bulk to literally remove the chips and transplant them onto server form factor boards for AI. The stocks crashed because there's so much competition now and nobody can expect to take the whole market. Deepseek, Qwen, GLM, Kimi are ALL way cheaper than the US counterparts and quite comparable. It's not exciting anymore. When Deepseek R1 came out, everyone thought that Deepseek was going to completely take everything over. Now pretty much everyone is getting close to Claude in performance. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (6 children) Ill take two cheap gpus please permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] 0x0@infosec.pub -1 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 in a pcie card for under 400usd or just the gpu for 220usd, unfortunately the price jumps 3x minimum if you want a 32gb version permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 no thanks, I'd prefer a GPU that can actually process graphics AND DISPLAY THEM.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TBi@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago nah, I don't want to eat the leftovers of nvidia's AI slop machine, I want a gpu that's for graphics the WAY GOD INTENDED permalink fedilink source parent [+] 0x0@infosec.pub -8 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child) I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago Oh you sweet summer child. Do you actually think the price of GPUs are going to come down?!? permalink fedilink source parent [–] davidagain@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago That's... that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. Mild discounts, yes. Cheap again? No. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago Only if you're fine with writing your own drivers for Moore's Threads GPUs... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) I'm beginning to suspect never. The industry (read nvidia) got taste for selling stuff in bulk to those who don't care about price and/or quality. They don't want to return to the world where regular people (ew) were their primary source of income. They will find new scam to use their cards on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 week ago When people give Intel a chance and when other companies start making good GPU's. I knowo it's terribly hard but given enough price hikes it WILL be profitable and it will happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 week ago When people give Intel a chance and when other companies start making good GPU's. I knowo it's terribly hard but given enough price hikes it WILL be profitable and it will happen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children) Never. Western capitalists will make Chinese hardware illegal before they allow cheaper goods to undercut their profits. It’s exactly what they’re doing in the auto industry, why should tech be different? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 2 weeks ago The only country that might do that is the us. There are many western capitalists happy to buy from a competitive global market. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 week ago Already did it with phones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 2 weeks ago The only country that might do that is the us. There are many western capitalists happy to buy from a competitive global market. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 15 points 2 weeks ago Probably not any time soon? China's buying 5090s in bulk to literally remove the chips and transplant them onto server form factor boards for AI. The stocks crashed because there's so much competition now and nobody can expect to take the whole market. Deepseek, Qwen, GLM, Kimi are ALL way cheaper than the US counterparts and quite comparable. It's not exciting anymore. When Deepseek R1 came out, everyone thought that Deepseek was going to completely take everything over. Now pretty much everyone is getting close to Claude in performance. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 7 points 2 weeks ago (6 children) Ill take two cheap gpus please permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] 0x0@infosec.pub -1 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 in a pcie card for under 400usd or just the gpu for 220usd, unfortunately the price jumps 3x minimum if you want a 32gb version permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 no thanks, I'd prefer a GPU that can actually process graphics AND DISPLAY THEM.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TBi@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago nah, I don't want to eat the leftovers of nvidia's AI slop machine, I want a gpu that's for graphics the WAY GOD INTENDED permalink fedilink source parent [+] 0x0@infosec.pub -8 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child) I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 0x0@infosec.pub -1 points 2 weeks ago* (5 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 in a pcie card for under 400usd or just the gpu for 220usd, unfortunately the price jumps 3x minimum if you want a 32gb version permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 no thanks, I'd prefer a GPU that can actually process graphics AND DISPLAY THEM.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TBi@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago nah, I don't want to eat the leftovers of nvidia's AI slop machine, I want a gpu that's for graphics the WAY GOD INTENDED permalink fedilink source parent [+] 0x0@infosec.pub -8 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child) I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children) You can buy a 16gb v100 no thanks, I'd prefer a GPU that can actually process graphics AND DISPLAY THEM.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TBi@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago nah, I don't want to eat the leftovers of nvidia's AI slop machine, I want a gpu that's for graphics the WAY GOD INTENDED permalink fedilink source parent [+] 0x0@infosec.pub -8 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child) I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TBi@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child) Do these support Optimus to redirect the video output? Could be an option if it’s cheap enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago nah, I don't want to eat the leftovers of nvidia's AI slop machine, I want a gpu that's for graphics the WAY GOD INTENDED permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago nah, I don't want to eat the leftovers of nvidia's AI slop machine, I want a gpu that's for graphics the WAY GOD INTENDED permalink fedilink source parent
[+] 0x0@infosec.pub -8 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child) I guess you could buy a bc250 or a gameboy if thats important for you, but i doubt theyll show up as a result of chinas datacenter failing so youll just have to wait even more then permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* I'd prefer a gpu meant to drive displays because my friends aren't LLMs and all this absurd garbage has made it impossible to buy 5090s without a mortgage. I'd wager the people asking for cheap GPUs above want them for the same. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago Oh you sweet summer child. Do you actually think the price of GPUs are going to come down?!? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago That's... that's not how this works. That's not how any of this works. Mild discounts, yes. Cheap again? No. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago Only if you're fine with writing your own drivers for Moore's Threads GPUs... permalink fedilink source parent