Palmer Luckey of Anduril is teaming with Ben Lamm of Colossal Biosciences to launch Warhound, a startup dedicated to genetically engineering and cloning dogs for service in war, police work and first responder work. Speaking to Wired, Lamm explained that the project was twofold. One part of the project would oversee the genetic engineering and cloning of the ideal dogs for war, and the other would develop tech for them to use on battlefields.

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[–] 131 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This guy looks like the personification of a 4chan message board and needs to be punched in the face. A lot.

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  • [–] 218 points 1 week ago (13 children)

    Palmer Luckey is such a loser. He makes absolute bank by selling Oculus to Facebook and then decides with all that money his time is best spent developing weapons to help kill people more efficiently. We need more people like MySpace Tom who, after making a load of money, stepped away and pursued his artistic interests and turns out the guy is a really good photographer.

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  • [–] 96 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Palmer Luckey’s partner at Oculus died under mysterious circumstances right before the sale to Facebook.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Damn, I didn't know about that. Guess I have a new rabbit hole to inspect.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Care to share more info? Couldn't find anything about it

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    https://www.techdigest.tv/2013/06/oculus_rift_co.html

    Died in an accident involving a police chase. The Facebook deal was closed several months later.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    After selling to facebook he got flack. And then became an open supporter of Trump. He became hated.

    My guess is that he's a narcissist similar to Elon Musk, so him hearing himself called a looser and asshole (like he is) triggers him to be worse. To go "I'll show him". To do a nazi salute or you know, engineer dogs for war to oppress people more efficiently. Any supporter of Trump is obviously a psycho with no moral center, but if they also have narcissism and money and power, well it can get much worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    The likelyhood of him reading comments like this is incredibly low whereas other random people may come across it and not have any idea about how terrible he has shown himself to be. So I think talking about him like this is a net positive.

    Edit: I don't think him getting flack caused him to change to be the person he is today, if anything getting massive amounts of money freed him to be more open about who he truly is inside. Maybe catching flack online also helped him in taking off the mask so to say.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Yeah I agree with both points. Also I read that he was a long term Trump supporter long before he ran for president.

    And treating these malignant narcissists with kid gloves is useless I agree. But they are obsessed with their image, with their false ego or mirror image. So he will read how he has seen. This is of course speculation and I'm not a psychologist, but that is what I think happened to Musk. He played this image of a good tech "captain of industry", then when he got rejected because of his greed and lies he switched to a different persona. And there is no real persona. You can even see similar things with Trump, very far back he was a democrat / liberal, but these malignant narcissists don't have a real personal.

    Not sure how useful any of this is really. In the end we live in the age of monsters. And they are all across the political mainstream spectrum now.

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    They really are. The hoarding of wealth isn't seen as the disease that it is.

    The ancient Greeks knew greed was one of humanity's worst traits. Even Lycurgus knew money was a poison of the heart and banned the homoioi (spartan soldiers/equals) from owning money, they could keep goods (like food, bronze, iron, cattle etc).

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  • [–] 69 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I can’t imagine how many dogs this bag of diarrhea is going to kill for this project.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I'm gonna say it, and I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks.

    This motherfucker, and anyone else with the same idea, needs to fucking die. In the most gruesome, painful way whoever manages it can achieve so that it's a clear fucking warning to the next motherfucker

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  • [–] 24 points 1 week ago

    Sure, them too. But this guy created Anduril Industries to develop non-manned AI drones to kill whoever gets labeled a target by whoever buys his terror machines. This guy is a threat to humanity beyond the pug breeder. He and people with ideas like him deserve to die with much higher priority imo.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I hope when he's showing them off someday, the dogs attack and maul him. Bonus if it happens on stage with hundreds of cameras filming him and people laughing.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 week ago (12 children)

    So this is awful and stupid, but what I really want to know is what they think they can genetically engineer that can out perform a Belgian malinois for energy and physicality or a bloodhound for scent work. Like working dogs are already incredibly finely tuned through massive breeding programs.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    They're not looking to make a better dog, they're looking to make a patentable dog.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    In addition, in the eyes of the law these patented dogs will be legal objects that the company owns, not living beings.

    I know the law already lets you do crazy evil shit to the animals you own, especially if you are a corp with money. This will be worse. This will make a factory farm look like a children's story.

    This will be something out of H.R. Giger's nightmares after Phillip K. Dick spends a week telling him bedtime stories and soothing him in his dreams with Hannibal-Lecter-whispers.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    Speaking to Wired, Lamm explained that the project was twofold. One part of the project would oversee the genetic engineering and cloning of the ideal dogs for war, and the other would develop tech for them to use on battlefields.

    Sounds like weaponized cyborg dogs is where this is going

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Maybe they think they can combine all those desirable traits in one custom breed quicker than traditional animal husbandry?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    A lot of the time you can't effectively combine them. That is why we have different breeds. Stronger and bigger typically means less stamina and less nimble. Better nose means they get hyper focused on scent and are less effective for other tasks. Even without the ethical issues, I can't see them building a better dog.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 week ago

    Absolutely fucking vile human being.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 week ago

    Dude could have used that money to fund animal shelters across the world and received a standing ovation.

    It takes a special kind of fucking loser to come up with this idea and follow through on it.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Where the fuck did this guy come from

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  • [–] 23 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    $200,000,000 to get dogs into war who will be killed by some $20 drone with a bomb

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

    If they can make 10,000,000 attack dogs to get blow up by those drones, and somehow avoid having any variable costs, then the dogs will be cheaper than the drones.

    I think that's within a practical scale.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    I can't think of a reasonable scenario where, even given the drones are in short supply, dogs would be a necessary target over higher priority like the dog handlers. Maybe if you strap a bunch of bombs onto the dogs, but that would be really fucked

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  • [–] 23 points 1 week ago

    So much animal abuse

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    TF is it with these tech lord trash taking LOTR names for businesses? Anduril, Palantir, etc?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    "The Palantir stones themselves cannot lie, but powerful users like Sauron can selectively control what is shown to trick or break the will of others (such as Denethor or Saruman)."

    Almost like a confession. It is like some idiot read 1984 and decided it is in humanity's best interest to install the goverment in the book, completely senseless and sociopathic.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    Tolkien would be spinning in his grave at the thought of this. It’s against everything he believed in.

    When people mispronounce the names (as they usually do) I don’t correct them, out of respect for the Professor.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    They think they are high elves while we are hobbits. They want to rule the world. They have actually proven that you can have a level of money that everyone will indulge your mental illness.

    Anyone else would have been shot for infiltrating the government with plans to end the world but we live in HELL AND NO ONE GIVES A FUCK OR WILL DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

    "Don't look up" was the most accurate portrayals of our stupid species ever written

    And before everyone praises the glorious corporate Dems, Palmer Lucky and his gross company mostly support Democrats and Palmer and Musk are completely integrate in our Army with drones, ranks, and military units that have committed multiple suspicious suicides.

    https://www.rawstory.com/new-right-jd-vance-tolkien/

    NBC4 Washington nbcwashington.com › video › news › local › maryland › concern-fort-meade-cluster-suicides › 4164769 Concern at Fort Meade after recent cluster of suicides – NBC4 Washington

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    You know the Nazis were obsessed with esoteric fairytales? It’s like that

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Turns out nerds liked LOTR when younger or perhaps still do, who'd've thunk it

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    Do they still qualify as nerds if they’re the antithesis to the morals in the story they nerdrd over?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Honestly, good question. Does having to be an X nerd mean you should agree with the morals of X and if you become a millionaire, does that invalidate nerddom?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    How about instead of war we genetically engineer dogs to live longer? 🥲

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    cant they leave the dogs alone, dont they just want to be loved and get tummy rubs?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Palmer Luckey woke up and said:

    That's it, I'm inventing bad dogs!

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Here's a book about it. Not spoilers: there are a few complications.

    Dogs of War by Adrian Tchaikovsky.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    That's such a fucked up thing to do to make dogs that are as aggressive as possible. These are not going to be happy animals.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Making aggressive war dogs is something humanity tried before. Mastiffs and Chow Chows are two examples. They often attacked and killed their human masters.

    Really I think we should extinct the practice of training attack dogs. In US police action they're abused to escalate to violence quicker than an officer would resort to firearms.

    Armored dogs in war would be responed to like mechanized armor. A dozen of my cheap flying explosive drones will make short work of your expensive dog.

    But then, the US hasn't caught up to the tech of cheap drones.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    In my opinion, police dogs, in the US at least, are a vestigial cultural holdover from law enforcement's slave catching past. There isn't really a good tactical reason to be using them that couldn't be performed by other equipment. They are unreliable, expensive, and get shot surprisingly often. If you really interrogated why they still use attack dogs, their answer would be that those people are scared of them.

    Other than that, scenthounds are just probable cause generators which are all probably trained to alert on command.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    I'd been tracking detection dogs more than attack dogs, and yeah police dogs in use have false-positive rates sometimes 90%+. US precincts call them probable cause on four legs.

    The sad thing is there's a detection dog sector that resents the current misuse culture since its delegitimizing good faith uses.

    Maybe once we can overhaul how policing and investigation are done, we can restrict detection dogs to instances where high false positive rates will be counter productive. Say, sniffing for explosives at an airport at a long line of luggage.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago*

    Police dogs are analogous to whips, in that they are an ineffective weapon against an equal enemy but good at reducing the morale of slaves.

    (sorry if I'm just restating your point, I think it's an important one)

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    The Romans did this already, it's called a "mastiff" and it has been used in war for many centuries

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Becerrillo

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    But we already have robodogs. Boston Dynamics has been soft-launching them for years, innoculating the masses into adoring them & accepting them before unveiling their full wrathful capabilities. Why breed & abuse living creatures when we already have terrifying robots to do bloodshed for us?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Boston Dynamics has been soft-launching them for years

    Boston Dynamics made a robodog that doesn't immediately trip over it's own feet on gravel and has a thirty minute active runtime before it needs a two hour recharge.

    Then they've dropped a fuckton on marketing and lobbying to keep the investment cash pouring in.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Then they’ve dropped a fuckton on marketing and lobbying to keep the investment cash pouring in.

    Dancing robots jumping around. Show me a robot placing something into a box after it fell to the ground. I'm sure with another 50 million one can hand you a screwdriver.

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