If I’m paying that much for a device, I damned well better have root access. I’m done buying machines that big corpos control.
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It's okay by the time its released us regular people won't be allowed to exist.
Looks like console gaming is just admitting its strategy is to soak their shrinking player base for as much as possible before they collapse.
Signs that the corporations look at the video game market as no longer a growth market but a mature market.
"No point in trying to bring more people into the market since exponential growth can't be achieved. Time to milk the players for every dollar they have." -Some Video Game executive.
I project Microsoft can lick my taint. They bought up all the studies, shut down most of them, cancelled all the good games, raised prices, forced AI into everything, want to abandon physical media and lock us in to their digital store and have a monopoly on pricing... And they still can't release a console at a reasonable price. 🖕 Microsoft has abandoned gamers, let them suffer when the AI bubble pops.
While a $1,200 starting price would be historically high for the game console market, even accounting for inflation, it also reflects a new normal: The slowdown in Moore’s Law and AI-driven component shortages mean cutting-edge gaming hardware just isn’t as cheap as it used to be. This year, the Steam Machine broke the $1,000 starting price, while the 2-year-old technology in the PlayStation 5 Pro is now going for $900, and the 6-year-old Xbox Series X now starts at $750.
It’s super-duper awesome that they were kind enough to pass all the cost down to us.
Moores law hasn't been a thing for over a decade. It's just the AI industry consuming all the compute
and apparently MSFT has more than $80b in GPUS sitting idling in warehouses since they haven't built (if they ever do) the data centers to run them.
No discs, no sale.
I'm still rocking a Pascal GPU from Nvidia. Shit's not even officially supported driver-wise anymore, but it's only getting more dear to me, especially with all the news.
My 7800xt is fine. What worries me is my 5600x.
I feel like it's starting to show its age.
Does it massage my balls as well for that price or....
No thanks, going to stick with my gaming PC I got like 4 years ago.
No thanks I'm good I'm not gamer anymore.
Retro is where it's at
“Retro is where it’s at” is just the polite way of saying the current model is broken. You’re not disagreeing with me. You’re agreeing and pretending it’s a different argument.
It’s not just the economic model that’s pushing people to retro, it’s the creative direction as well.
For some of us the kinds of games we like just aren’t made much now. Which has been partially influenced by monetisation but there’s been a shift in taste too.
The “old people ruin the fun” line only works if the critique is wrong. Games you don’t own, 100GB downloads, forced online, and unfinished launches at full price isn’t “fun.” It’s just the current business model. Pointing that out doesn’t make someone old. It makes the people defending it sound like they’re allergic to basic ownership. Keep the SpongeBob meme though. It’s doing more work than the argument.
AI companies ruin the RAM and video card market, so no one runs 200GB models for free.
This ruins the new-game market on PC and consoles.
AI allows people to spin copies of games
Next up,
All consoles fail
All console makers stop letting people have binaries
Gaming as a service AGAIN
AI companies ruin the RAM and video card market, so no one runs 200GB models for free.
No, AI companies ruin the RAM, Storage, and video market so no one can compute independently, and they all have to stream cloud services which can be monitored by AI, gatekept without the possibility of piracy (or first sale doctorine), unhackable/unmodable, and rented forever.
This is way bigger than gaming. What happens when they can predict markets? What happens when they can move markets? When journalists get silenced, when inconvenient truths are hidden?
Why wouldn’t they when we are so dependent on it?
I'm only afraid that Gamers will actually fucking buy it, and Microsoft (and others) will learn that gamers will keep buying consolee for almost 2k dollars, and then future consoles will never go down in price. Just like it happened with graphics cards, when Nvidia learned that gamers would buy 2x Titan class gpus (which were not supposed to be a gaming card), and then discovered they could sell a 90 class for 1500+ dollars (and going up with each generation) and the fuckers would still gladly buy it, and that they would also still buy cards with prices inflated at 200~300% values during the crypto boom.
I predict it gets canceled.
I suppose if the AI bubble pops, and memory and CPU prices crash, then maybe it will happen. But, that's going to be very hard on the entire economy, so maybe it will be canceled for that reason, instead.
They could charge 12 dollars, I'm still not buying it.
I wouldn't buy that for a dollar!
6 years ago I would have said that was nuts, but 6 years ago I bought 32GB of DDR5 for $100... now the same sticks are $500+, so I feel like this is just the new normal and I'm just going to go back to my retro systems with carts and systems I actually own.
My Sega Genesis still works like a charm, and humans still make new games for it occasionally
Just went back to check on two sticks of 32GB I bought in 2024 for $215. The same two sticks are listed for $1600.
With these sorts told prices being rumoured I’m not sure how viable this next generation is going to be.
Disposable incomes are dwindling, future economic prospects look…uncertain to put it positively. Parents especially sleek unlikely to spend 4 figures on a console when their kids already have phones.
At that price (which will probably be closer to 2k CAD) I think my console gaming life will be over. It was a good run from NES to now.
Steam deck is looking more and more appealing or just build my own computer again
If this is the price... Maybe would be nice to have a way to install SteamOS on the console. Or better install any Linux so I can use as a working station and a gaming gig.
It’s funny that you think in 2028 Microsoft is going to let you install any OS you want on any hardware they sell.
Brother in 2028 the only hardware you will be able to buy will stream all your software from the cloud for a rental fee. They’re coming and taking away computing.
Guess i'm done with video games for the next...forever
Streets of rage 2, Chrono trigger, Mario 64, burger time, Tekken 3, burnout paradise all could probably use a higher play time before whatever the next m$ slop shooter cash shop they publish or anti consumer hardware
I don’t think I could ever be done with video games but I’m done supporting the (current) video game economy besides supporting the second hand market. Luckily for me I don’t care at all about cutting edge stuff and I prefer to play PSX, PS2, and N64 games. There are still so many classics from those consoles in my backlog I haven’t even got to yet.
Wouldn't surprise me at all looking at the Ally. Not to mention the new PS6 being projected >$1k.
What I'm looking forward to seeing is how many scalpers that will buy it on the first day.
It would be kind of awesome if the scalpers paid the ridiculous sticker price for these, and then nobody bought them from the scalpers because nobody actually wants the goddamn thing.
And how no effort will be made to stop.them.
I think the effort won't be necessary. We're already discussing how 1200-1800(2000 after tax) is sounding insane. I think the argument for how a N64 costing $250 adjusted for inflation has lost it's value. We didn't have cellphones, internet plans (ok maybe aol), fees at every corner, a mountain of subscriptions, and whatever else is going on now. And there's no used game stores now--I mean for these digital bricks.
So it's time to sit back and eat some popcorn.
Atp just buy a computer
Project helix will be a computer with a locked bootloader and gaming only os
I will not consider it a computer if you cannot change freely the OS (even tho it is technically), Macs might have more freedom than that shit...
oh people are going to buy the shit out of this. Guaranteed. We can all boycott here, I know I'm not going to buy one, but Microsoft don't care. Want to know what Microsoft sees?
- Sells well? Hooray profit, let's give everything back to the shareholders
- Flops? Let's close Xbox and lay everyone off, we just have an excuse now.
It's a win win for them. Personally I think most people are going to happily line up at the slop line and eat up.
This whole project seems like a load of hot air to appease investors. It got the spotlight right when Asha took the reigns 7 months ago and even now we know exactly jack shit about it, despite supposedly launching next year. But it's estimated to cost 1200-1800 based on...vibes I guess, because we don't even know what form it will take.
Living in a multi-gamer household currently with nine gamers. We would be looking at around $15k to get everyone the new Xbox when it comes out!?
I can't even anymore.
Even without that price tag, I think at 9 gamers in one household, it might be time to learn the concept of sharing
We all like to play together, but yes we share 4 xboxes currently and also have a couple of desktops, non-gaming laptops and tablets. We will use phones/tablets for jackbox games so we can all play together. We also like to play Fortnite and we will rotate players.
I wonder how long will it take for someone to figure out a way to install SteamOS on it?
You can buy a cheap guitar for about £100. Beats Guitar Hero
Or you could turn to a life of crime. Beats Grand Theft Auto
Goat Simulator fans please contact the furry community for advice
Good luck, they barely sell the current one at a fourth of that price, wonder how many dozens can sell of this DRM machine
Things must be tough because consoles are typically sold at a loss. Then again with the current steam machine success not selling at cost maybe they are planning on trying the same?
The way hardware prices have been increasing, this might still be a price point that has them selling at a loss by the time 2028 rolls around, so there's that.
I'm having a hard time imagining not being able to build a PC from last Gen parts for $1800 that can't run games fairly well.
You might still well be able to do that by the time 2028 rolls around, but it wouldn't surprise me if you couldn't build one that runs the sort of AAA games that have been used to set consoles apart from PC, and certainly not with the same ease. You or I might well be able to put together such a PC with minimal fuss, but the very idea of buying and assembling components to build a PC is a non-starter for most of the market. It's more work than it's worth to them if they need to do that, rather than just buying something ready made off the shelf. And if they decide they can forgo the big budget console selling titles for this one, they would probably just do better to fire up GOG, Steam, or the market of their choice and run the games on the computer they already have. There's no reason to plunk down $1200 on a new computer, if you're only going to be playing stuff like reissues of games from previous generations and indie titles.
Oh don’t worry. Fanboizz will still buy it and will say “This changes Everything!”
I still hate that I bought the series x, it's an over priced piece of garbage





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