Rules of vampirism (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Also, the vampire is 300 years old and attracted to 20-somethings

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    "Preys on" β‰  "attracted to", full stop.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Why not? Stories where that's both true can be viscerally terrifying.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I was referring to the original subject, tbf. Not in general. πŸ€·πŸΌβ€β™‚οΈ

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Preying on young animals is normal: they taste better and are more tender. That’s why almost every pig and cow and chicken you’ve ever eaten is under two years old.

    Hell, predators eat young animals all the time. They’re slower and dumber.

    But converting one to be your companion is creepy as hell.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Sounds like parasite apologia. I'm certain the animals you cited'd be fully against their slaughter, or those like them. This isn't a "nature does it" discussion here β€”especially since the creature in question is literally not of the natural world, ergo "supernatural". 🫀

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    I’ve met the pigs I’ve eaten.

    Never wanted to fuck β€˜em.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

    I can see that as adaptation. Finding partners of appropriate mental age would become impossible if you perpetually looked like a teenager.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Except I didn’t like teenagers when I was a teenager. I can’t imagine liking them now.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Maybe you were unusual, I was attracted to people of my age as an adolescent.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    So I guess the question is whether adolescent vampires have the same hormones as normal people and are normal.

    Personally I prefer older partners for their experience.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

    What? Why? Are you claiming that vampires are incapable of learning and/or changing their behavior model?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

    I think in some mythologies that's actually part of it, for example in Twilight they literally keep retaking high school. (And someone turned as a child won't grow mentally, besides not growing physically)

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago

    In Dracula, van Helsing goes on and on about how the vampire has a "child brain", implying not only does it not mature over the centuries, but it actually regresses to an emotionally and mentally less mature state than a human adult would be.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    In Twilight the high school thing is specifically because of the not growing physically. Nothing to do with mental.

    They realized if they start in high school they can stay in one place longer. It adds more time they can be there without seeming weird. They go to both high school and college and then move on to a new place.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    Good lord. Could you imagine having to relive high school years ad infinitum?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    If I'm not mistaken one of them does touch on that. Something like they're just getting to the fun part (college) and they'd be pissed if they had to do high school twice because they had to move because of Bella or something.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    I would think they continuously grow mentally because of having decades and centuries of experiences, which makes it even more ridiculous that they would keep going to high school. There are ordinary people who stop going to high school and never go back. Surely a vampire could figure out how to make that work.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Ew. That one's the worst, honestly. "Vampire", bah. An immortal pedo is still a pedo, just for far longer.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Being immortal means they (and all other immortals) have to endure the heat death of the universe for effectively ever, so there’s that

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    So boomer marriage?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    in your 20s

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  • I mean, my girlfriends from my 20s had impeccable taste in guys.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    TBF, I'd always assumed they'd grow in all ways but implied age... then, Interview and the glittery skeeze series came out, so πŸ€·πŸΌβ€β™‚οΈ

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Sorry I'm not clear on what you mean here. What does "grow in all ways but implied age" mean?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Sorry, I meant that they continue to experience reality throughout their unlives and that alone's enough to teach a few lessons here and there without much effort.

    They only appear as young as they'll ever be, and most go to great lengths to inhabit that expectation (hush, Nosferatu.) Additionally, the majority of vampire legends agree that vamps get more powerful with age β€”though they differ on how.

    Ergo, "grow in all ways but implied age". 😁

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Oh right I see.

    Obviously the modern vampire has existed for just over 200 years and been told in many forms in that time.

    It's been too long since I've read The Vampyre to be able to recall, and I've never read Varney or Carmilla to be able to comment on those, but the idea of vampires being emotionally stunted goes back at least as far as Dracula, where van Helsing monologues at length about the vampire's "child brain"β€”its simple-mindedness and almost instinctive/animalistic approach to going about its plans. And obviously you're already aware of how Rice's vampires are stuck at the age they were turned. Though as I write that, I wonder how that general trend in her books meshes with the portrayal of Claudia in Interview developing sexual feelings despite having been turned as a very young child. A retcon/something Rice developed more as the series went on, perhaps?

    But anyway, my point is that the idea of vampires failing to mature is certainly not new as of Twilight or even the Vampire Chronicles. It goes back basically as far as the modern concept of the vampire. As for earlier vampiric folklore...van Helsing seems to talk about it as though he's discussing existing folkloric tradition in Dracula, but Stoker's idea of what that tradition was is very...idiosyncratic. It's hard to say how much that actually represents true folkloric beliefs, how much it represents Stoker's misunderstanding of said beliefs, and how much is the character of van Helsing. Regardless, personally I view the modern (post-Polidori) vampire as being so distinct from the folklore that there's not much value in comparing the two too closely when discussing vampires more generally.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Doesn't seem any more difficult than going to high school forever.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    I had pretty good taste in guys in my 20s, not to mention a ton more self-confidence, so I think that would probably work out

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    [–] 42 points 2 weeks ago

    I mean... Why do you think they're all brooding malcontents?

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  • [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I remember watching a vampire show once, and the dude was turned into a vampire later in life, while he was unhappy with his body. I would much rather get turned into a vampire in my 20s than much later in life.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    In the game Oblivion and the movie Near Dark there are people who get turned to vampires as kids. They hate being stuck as kids, because they are old, and wise, but people still treat them like dumb kids.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    Can't they, just split and find someone else? Not all myths say new vampire is bound to who turned them.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    There's also the community angle. If you're immortal, you're going to want an immortal support network pretty desperately at times

    Your progenitor isn't just a partner, they're a gateway to immortal society. How long would it take to make connections that would survive a breakup? It'd be one thing if there were vampire nightclubs going on, but that's a pretty bad way to maintain secrecy

    Some interesting power dynamics come into play

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  • [–] 28 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Underground nightclubs are totally fine unless a half vampire with swords shows up, and what're the odds of that?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    One sword? Maybe ... Multiple swords???? They would never.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Turn others into your support structures

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    I see what you did there 🀣

    That is probably the best option, if it is an option, and it opens some interesting implications for some vampire lore

    So a new coven of young vampires is a threat to both existing power structures as well as secrecy, so there's some lore that vampires will hunt down unaffiliated vampires. Young vampires who turn many others could mean exponential population growth, and any rogue new vampire is a potential outbreak

    I also like the implications of that for trope that romantic relationships are forbidden between progenitor and the progeny... It makes way more sense than hedonistic immortals have some inbuilt vampiric incest taboo

    Exactly this situation makes way more sense

    There's some interesting stories that could be written with this premise... It's the classic socially forbidden romance

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    People have come down hard on me for this opinion but I never even take Astarion unless I’m doing an especially evil playthrough, which I’ve only done once. I cant stand him lol

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago

    People think way too hard on FANTASY. It's supposed to be unrealistic and enjoyable.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    Huh? Sounds like Bella, not Astarion

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    As a dude that divorced the woman I married in my 20's, this sounds like hell.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

    So we're just plagiarizing Lestat for memes now, eh?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    But I love my wifeee and we are 20

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