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Gotta run that water till its hot, and use the powder, brother.
Again with this America-centric view
Oh you (rest of the world), with your 220vac everywhere and your "yeah electricity can heat that up" attitude.
I'll give you the gift of super advanced technology!

I think the 220vac is just Europe, isn't it?
Just a note: Australia and NZ are 'officially' 230v but are in reality 240v.
We were historically 240v and nothing actually changed at an infrastructure level, just the standard which says we're at 230v -6%/+10% (which allows for up to 252v, ie. 240v +5%, the old standard)
Ah yes, Dishwashers and their operation. The quintessential americana. Surely no one else in the world has dishwashers but America.
He's poking fun at our anemic half phase electrical system. In places with 220/240V electrical is the norm, electrical heating elements are more powerful so there's no need to get the water warm using the kitchen tap before running the dishwasher.
Username checks out.
My dishwasher doesn't use hot water, it's got an heating element.
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I tried the powder thing. Couldn't get the hang of it. Back to pods and I'm more than satisfied. I trust Alex implicitly, it's clearly an "operator error," but that's where I'm at.
I'd be curious to know how you're washing in a way that makes you feel pods are better.
I used to be a pod person (ha), but after alwx's video, I experimented and found that by adding powder to the door (along with the actual soap part, obv) and running the hot tap before starting the load makes them come out great (most of the time - oatmeal is my nemesis).
The hot water was the big thing for me. I don't see a noticeable performance difference between the pods and the powder, but the pods are easier with a small enough cost difference over time that it might as well be zero.
But the hot water is clutch.
I did the usage cost at my house, The powder was less than half the cost for what I use and my local prices.
But half of what? Half of cheap is still cheap.
Half of cheap is cheaper. Shit compounds when you have a handful of these savings.
Bingo, I buy dry goods in bulk. Soap, rice, flour... cost so little to produce even buying the smaller bulk packages can save a significant portion of your grocery bill. The only stuff I buy from the grocer is perishables and frozen.
A $7 box of pancake mix costs about $1 to make from bulk ingredients.
A 1.30 box of rice-a-roni costs a little over 0.50 cents to make.
Mac and cheese, same deal,
If you can stash a few large bags, or split the cost with your neibors/fam you can cut out a huge chunk of your food cost, end up with stuff that's healthier and tastier and not locked in to 1 of 4 flavors.
Making pancakes looks like this:
get out a spoon, any small/medium spoon. n heaping spoonfulls of flour, n-2 heaping spoonfulls of sugar, a pinch of salt, 2 if you're making a more than a few cups. 1 level spoon of baking powder. (2 if you're feeding an army) Add water and stir until it comes off the spoon in ribbons. Too much water? add a level spoon of flour and mix until it comes off in ribbons.
For waffles, add some oil, another spoon of baking powder, a few drops of vanilla extract.
rice-a-roni is just rice and spaghetti, lightly browned in oil the boiled off with bullion, maybe some light veggies.
50% is 50% it scales linerally.
82 Cascade pouches at bulk cost me $30 75 oz of Cascade powder costs me $6
that's $0.09 per wash for powder and $0.37 cents per wash for pouches.
I don't really consider $30 to be cheap... and it turns out it's 1/3 as much not 1/2
How often do you use your dishwasher?
I use mine about 2-3 times a week, so if we go with 3 that's saving like 40 bucks a year, assuming perfect measurements and no spilling of the powder. That's not enough of a difference to fret over.
You could spend that saved $40 on the powder, and now you're sitting on ~4 years worth of detergent.
Do the same for washing clothes.
Buy foodstuffs in bulk when able.
Same with personal soap/shampoo/etc.
Now you're sitting on few hundred $ in savings a year.
I don't need 4 years' worth of detergent taking up space. I'm happy to have a little box of pods I replace occasionally when I go to Costco.
Yeah, I could spend a bunch of time and effort maximizing my savings. But I spend 50 hours a week plus a commute earning money, and that's all the time I'm devoting to it. When I'm off the clock I'm done trying to make or maximize income. I spend that time living. It's worth $40 a year to me to not deal with powder.
It was purely me not getting the hang of the amount of powder. I also have a lot of plasticware (kids), and so it amplified the residual issue.
The problem is that I have zero issues with pods. I out in pod, turn on, close door, and that's that. It's the lack of problems, and the fact that powder requires some fine tuning, that had me lose interest in it.
And I basically scrape food matter off plates and load them in. Only time I ever rince is when we have lots of tiny food matters on plates and it'll be a pain in the ass to scrape each individually into the garbage, where a jet of hot water will blast them into the strainer ezpz.
So yeah, I'm running the dishwasher daily, and for me I need the path of least resistance.
I used powder for years and it worked okay. However I was always cleaning my filter and the inside of my dishwasher seemed a bit grungy. On a whim I decided to try one of the most expensive pods. The difference was night and day. My dishwasher looks much better, and now when I clean the filter there's barely any gunk. Some of the pods definitely have more effective product (enzymes?) that the powder doesn't have.
Tips I've learned that helped:
- use detergent powder instead of pods. It let's you experiment with different amounts and dial in the right amount for a run. Generic is fine, they all do about the same amount of work.
- Run your faucet till hot water comes out, it makes it so the pre-rinse has more ability to soften crud on the surface of the dishes.
- pre-rinsing the dishes isn't necessary for cleanliness, but scraping food bits off will mean your debris filter fills up slower so you don't have to do the gross task of emptying it as often.
- add detergent in the dip on the door. This gives the pre-wash yet again more ability to attack food bits on the first cycle.
- USE RINSE AID. I helps the dishes dry at the end of the wash.
Running your faucet only makes sense if your dishwasher is also hooked up to warm water. (In Germany) I've only seen them connected to cold water.
It's an American thing. Our dishwashers get hot water from the line, there is a heating element, but it is not very powerful due to our lower output electrical sockets.
I've heard other countries have washers that are powerful enough to heat their own water, which is why they are attached to the cold water supply.
Do your dishwashers not have different temperature programs? Tap water is generally set at 65ΒΊC here. My dishwasher has a 45ΒΊC program, a 50ΒΊC program, etc. Depending on how dirty your dishes are you can use lower-temp program to save energy. They even make dishwasher pods specifically for lower temperatures. If it always takes in hot water it would need a way to cool it down.
Not for washing. Usually there will be settings like quick wash, normal, heavy and "pots and pans". There is a high temp and low temp option, but that is for drying the dishes.
Interesting. Why? Do the dishwashers there require only using cold?
In the US, it is always meant to be connected to the hot tap. The first rinse cycle doesn't heat the water (or doesn't run long enough for the heater to make it hot, anyway). It depends on the hot water from the line to be maximally effective that first rinse. And once drained and refilled for the wash, the water will get up to temp eventually, but it's more effective if it starts hotter.
Of all the things. Like what the fuck Germany.
We have 230VAC (on all outlets) instead of your guys' puny 120V, so our dishwashers aren't handicapped out of the box and can heat their own water properly. I feel like having to run the tap before doing dishes is an L for the US, not Germany/Europe?
For a country that's all about doing things big, they sure whimped out on their electrical system
In our defense we were very early to having one and everyone was afraid of electricity at the time
I was gonna say in our defence most of us can't be trusted with high voltage
Electricity in the usa is not weaker than Europe. Since the voltage is half as high, it just takes double the current to do the same work. A heater running 220v at 5 amps and a heater running 110v 10 amps will work exactly the same.
Except most home outlets are rated at 16 Amps so at 110V only gives you 1760W of power, whole on a 230v outlet you can get 3680W.
That is actually a perfect example of what I'm saying. You immediately assumed that we're talking about a "rated" "appliance" and not, for example, a "screw" "driver"
Wat? We have 230v also. We have both 120v and 220/240.
For stoves and ovens, not dishwashers.
A lot of houses are older than the concept of central heating or running warm water, so there are some homes that don't have central warm water, but instead small heaters under the kitchen sink/next to the bathroom, which might or might not hook up to dishwashers
- Run your faucet till hot water comes out, it makes it so the pre-rinse has more ability to soften crud on the surface of the dishes.
Why would this matter? Dishwashers arenβt connected to the hot water line.
I use the "warm up the water" time to rinse dishes as I load them. Seems silly to say "Don't rinse your dishes but do run your water until hot." Block that sink and use that water!

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