Apparently pre-rinsing confuses the dishwasher or something. Not doing it leaves me with residue all over the other dishes though 🀷

Star wars Anakin and Padme meme, with a dishwasher poorly GIMPed onto Anakin's face. Dishwasher Anakin: Save water, no need to rinse your dishes first. Padme: And they will come out clean, right? Anakin dishwasher: ... Padme: And they will come out clean, right?

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[–] 209 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)
  • [–] 119 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    I was ready to riot if I didn't see TC in the comments.

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  • [–] 63 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    I was shocked that I had the opportunity to post it, to be honest.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    It’s funny cause i was just talking about this video the other day with someone who didn’t know you have to run the tap hot before starting the machine. It’s just such a good video.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    That depends on how far from your machine your hot water heater is, and if your machine compensates for water temp with a heating element or discharging cold water until the temp increases but as a general rule: yeeuh

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Even if yours has a heating element it’s a good idea to preheat the water. This is covered in the TC video

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    I wonder if this could be done by the dishwasher with a temp sensor and program at the start of each load (run until hot, drain, start wash). i assume it would hurt their water efficiency claims to dump a bunch of water down the drain at the start of the wash though

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago*

    US dishwashers often do have a wimpy heating element. It gets used if you have a setting for extra hot water or a sani-rinse cycle. It wouldn't be a big deal to have the dish washer heat it's own water, but it would require either running a 220V circuit to the machine to make it practical or put up with a very long wash cycle.

    Though frankly, washing in cold water is fine as long as you scrub well enough. But you do need to do the rinsing in very hot water to finish the job.

    Edit to add - I didn't explain the extra heating to the water well enough. The wimpy heating element doubles to do extra heating of the water and is used for the drying cycle.

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  • [–] [S] 30 points 3 weeks ago

    That was fantastic, thanks!

    Some of the key things were to put separate powder in for the pre-wash (mine doesn't have a separate pre-wash section as far as I can tell), and to not put so much detergent in. We have soft water, and apparently that means if you fill the thing up (or use a tablet/pod) then you might be using too much detergent which means it might not all come off in the final rinsing stage.

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  • [–] 67 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (15 children)

    People who saw the TC video reading this post:

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  • [–] 28 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

    Gotta run that water till its hot, and use the powder, brother.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

    Again with this America-centric view

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Oh you (rest of the world), with your 220vac everywhere and your "yeah electricity can heat that up" attitude.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    I think the 220vac is just Europe, isn't it?

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Just a note: Australia and NZ are 'officially' 230v but are in reality 240v.

    We were historically 240v and nothing actually changed at an infrastructure level, just the standard which says we're at 230v -6%/+10% (which allows for up to 252v, ie. 240v +5%, the old standard)

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Ah yes, Dishwashers and their operation. The quintessential americana. Surely no one else in the world has dishwashers but America.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    He's poking fun at our anemic half phase electrical system. In places with 220/240V electrical is the norm, electrical heating elements are more powerful so there's no need to get the water warm using the kitchen tap before running the dishwasher.

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  • [–] 96 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)
  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

    I tried the powder thing. Couldn't get the hang of it. Back to pods and I'm more than satisfied. I trust Alex implicitly, it's clearly an "operator error," but that's where I'm at.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    I'd be curious to know how you're washing in a way that makes you feel pods are better.

    I used to be a pod person (ha), but after alwx's video, I experimented and found that by adding powder to the door (along with the actual soap part, obv) and running the hot tap before starting the load makes them come out great (most of the time - oatmeal is my nemesis).

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (9 children)

    The hot water was the big thing for me. I don't see a noticeable performance difference between the pods and the powder, but the pods are easier with a small enough cost difference over time that it might as well be zero.

    But the hot water is clutch.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    I did the usage cost at my house, The powder was less than half the cost for what I use and my local prices.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    But half of what? Half of cheap is still cheap.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Half of cheap is cheaper. Shit compounds when you have a handful of these savings.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    Bingo, I buy dry goods in bulk. Soap, rice, flour... cost so little to produce even buying the smaller bulk packages can save a significant portion of your grocery bill. The only stuff I buy from the grocer is perishables and frozen.

    A $7 box of pancake mix costs about $1 to make from bulk ingredients.

    A 1.30 box of rice-a-roni costs a little over 0.50 cents to make.

    Mac and cheese, same deal,

    If you can stash a few large bags, or split the cost with your neibors/fam you can cut out a huge chunk of your food cost, end up with stuff that's healthier and tastier and not locked in to 1 of 4 flavors.

    Making pancakes looks like this:

    get out a spoon, any small/medium spoon. n heaping spoonfulls of flour, n-2 heaping spoonfulls of sugar, a pinch of salt, 2 if you're making a more than a few cups. 1 level spoon of baking powder. (2 if you're feeding an army) Add water and stir until it comes off the spoon in ribbons. Too much water? add a level spoon of flour and mix until it comes off in ribbons.

    For waffles, add some oil, another spoon of baking powder, a few drops of vanilla extract.

    rice-a-roni is just rice and spaghetti, lightly browned in oil the boiled off with bullion, maybe some light veggies.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    50% is 50% it scales linerally.

    82 Cascade pouches at bulk cost me $30 75 oz of Cascade powder costs me $6

    that's $0.09 per wash for powder and $0.37 cents per wash for pouches.

    I don't really consider $30 to be cheap... and it turns out it's 1/3 as much not 1/2

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    How often do you use your dishwasher?

    I use mine about 2-3 times a week, so if we go with 3 that's saving like 40 bucks a year, assuming perfect measurements and no spilling of the powder. That's not enough of a difference to fret over.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You could spend that saved $40 on the powder, and now you're sitting on ~4 years worth of detergent.

    Do the same for washing clothes.

    Buy foodstuffs in bulk when able.

    Same with personal soap/shampoo/etc.

    Now you're sitting on few hundred $ in savings a year.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    I don't need 4 years' worth of detergent taking up space. I'm happy to have a little box of pods I replace occasionally when I go to Costco.

    Yeah, I could spend a bunch of time and effort maximizing my savings. But I spend 50 hours a week plus a commute earning money, and that's all the time I'm devoting to it. When I'm off the clock I'm done trying to make or maximize income. I spend that time living. It's worth $40 a year to me to not deal with powder.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    It was purely me not getting the hang of the amount of powder. I also have a lot of plasticware (kids), and so it amplified the residual issue.

    The problem is that I have zero issues with pods. I out in pod, turn on, close door, and that's that. It's the lack of problems, and the fact that powder requires some fine tuning, that had me lose interest in it.

    And I basically scrape food matter off plates and load them in. Only time I ever rince is when we have lots of tiny food matters on plates and it'll be a pain in the ass to scrape each individually into the garbage, where a jet of hot water will blast them into the strainer ezpz.

    So yeah, I'm running the dishwasher daily, and for me I need the path of least resistance.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I used powder for years and it worked okay. However I was always cleaning my filter and the inside of my dishwasher seemed a bit grungy. On a whim I decided to try one of the most expensive pods. The difference was night and day. My dishwasher looks much better, and now when I clean the filter there's barely any gunk. Some of the pods definitely have more effective product (enzymes?) that the powder doesn't have.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (23 children)

    Tips I've learned that helped:

    • use detergent powder instead of pods. It let's you experiment with different amounts and dial in the right amount for a run. Generic is fine, they all do about the same amount of work.
    • Run your faucet till hot water comes out, it makes it so the pre-rinse has more ability to soften crud on the surface of the dishes.
    • pre-rinsing the dishes isn't necessary for cleanliness, but scraping food bits off will mean your debris filter fills up slower so you don't have to do the gross task of emptying it as often.
    • add detergent in the dip on the door. This gives the pre-wash yet again more ability to attack food bits on the first cycle.
    • USE RINSE AID. I helps the dishes dry at the end of the wash.
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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

    Running your faucet only makes sense if your dishwasher is also hooked up to warm water. (In Germany) I've only seen them connected to cold water.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    It's an American thing. Our dishwashers get hot water from the line, there is a heating element, but it is not very powerful due to our lower output electrical sockets.

    I've heard other countries have washers that are powerful enough to heat their own water, which is why they are attached to the cold water supply.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Do your dishwashers not have different temperature programs? Tap water is generally set at 65ΒΊC here. My dishwasher has a 45ΒΊC program, a 50ΒΊC program, etc. Depending on how dirty your dishes are you can use lower-temp program to save energy. They even make dishwasher pods specifically for lower temperatures. If it always takes in hot water it would need a way to cool it down.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Not for washing. Usually there will be settings like quick wash, normal, heavy and "pots and pans". There is a high temp and low temp option, but that is for drying the dishes.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    It's not like you need to follow commercial requirements like DIN EN 17735, but that feels so weird to depend so much on the faucets temperature. I can just click a button and get a 70c+ wash or whatever, I wouldn't get that high from my faucet...

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Interesting. Why? Do the dishwashers there require only using cold?

    In the US, it is always meant to be connected to the hot tap. The first rinse cycle doesn't heat the water (or doesn't run long enough for the heater to make it hot, anyway). It depends on the hot water from the line to be maximally effective that first rinse. And once drained and refilled for the wash, the water will get up to temp eventually, but it's more effective if it starts hotter.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    Of all the things. Like what the fuck Germany.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (9 children)

    We have 230VAC (on all outlets) instead of your guys' puny 120V, so our dishwashers aren't handicapped out of the box and can heat their own water properly. I feel like having to run the tap before doing dishes is an L for the US, not Germany/Europe?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    For a country that's all about doing things big, they sure whimped out on their electrical system

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    In our defense we were very early to having one and everyone was afraid of electricity at the time

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I was gonna say in our defence most of us can't be trusted with high voltage

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Electricity in the usa is not weaker than Europe. Since the voltage is half as high, it just takes double the current to do the same work. A heater running 220v at 5 amps and a heater running 110v 10 amps will work exactly the same.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Wat? We have 230v also. We have both 120v and 220/240.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    A lot of houses are older than the concept of central heating or running warm water, so there are some homes that don't have central warm water, but instead small heaters under the kitchen sink/next to the bathroom, which might or might not hook up to dishwashers

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)
    • Run your faucet till hot water comes out, it makes it so the pre-rinse has more ability to soften crud on the surface of the dishes.

    Why would this matter? Dishwashers aren’t connected to the hot water line.

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