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[–] 146 points 1 month ago (43 children)

You must be new around here. This is old news and a reason a lot of places block ml

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  • [+] [S] 55 points 1 month ago (40 children)
  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (24 children)

    A lot of instances are curated, they're the supreme mods after all. Some delay your posts until they can curate them, and some just remove them. It's the way it be.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago* (23 children)

    This isn't said and understood enough. Instances on the Fediverse aren't free-for-all, apolitical places without ideology. Some try to be (with varying success) but being active in the Fediverse and especially running an instance is in itself a fairly ideological and political act. So chances are instances reflect their owners' ideology. And that is great because one has places to be if an instance doesn't suit them, unlike corpo platdorms where one ideology drives most of them.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    This. Just imagine if all of Lemmy was like one instance or another. The whole point of the fediverse is that there can be multiple instances, and you can just gravitate towards the ones that align with your own views.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Except it would be nice if the instances were honest about their rules, or at least that they would be described somewhere written down, rather than people having to continually find out the hard way (such as OP).

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (20 children)

    The only thing that bugs me about it is that the largest instances can control what most people see.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (18 children)

    The great thing about lemmy's design is that that's not really true. I'm seeing this criticism of .ml despite being on .ml, because most of the posts that I see on lemmy are not on my home instance. At least half the time, I'm having discussions outside of my "home turf."

    When you have a space that agrees on certain base assumptions, it becomes easier to have more in depth and thoughtful discussions, because you don't have to focus on just proving or advocating for those basic assumptions over and over again, and watching every word you say to make sure it can't be twisted or misinterpreted to paint you in a negative light. By contrast, sharing a space with ideological opponents often means people tend to dig in and just make snipes at each other, everybody's just grandstanding and trying to get owns in, and the level of discussion is brought down to name-calling and accusations.

    At the same time, yes, echo chambers are a concern. If you're never exposed to opposing viewpoints, obviously that's not great either. We can see that happen on any number of subreddits. And if we were on different subreddits instead of on different instances, I wouldn't be seeing this criticism, and you wouldn't be seeing my response to it.

    The way the fediverse is designed inherently addresses both of those concerns. You can have a space where the discussions assume a shared ideology allowing for in depth discussions, but then you're also federated with other spaces with different shared assumptions. The "tankie" creators of lemmy designed it this way on purpose, for that reason. To allow minority views (including but not limited to their own) to have spaces for discussion, without becoming isolated. To allow for higher level discussions with shared assumptions while also allowing for interactions between groups with different assumptions.

    This is why all this hand-wringing over .ml's censorship is kind of silly. Because people on .ml are constantly seeing content from other instances with completely different policies, and that is not in spite of what the .ml's admins want, they literally designed it that way on purpose.

    The only censorship that really matters on the fediverse is defederation.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    and those other instances can also moderate and delete comments and posts for all other instances unless archived or crossposted. If a lemmy.world mod deletes a comment in a lemmy.world post, I won't be able to see it from over here in db0

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Tbf this is true for all instances - it is simply how the ActivityPub Protocol works. The home instance "owns" the content, so if e.g. a Lemmy.world user submits a post to a community on Lemmy.ml, then other LW users won't be able to see it if it gets removed, but the same is true vice versa if a ML user submits a post to a community located on LW.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (11 children)

    Why are you writing tankie in quotes?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

    Because I disagree with the term. The admins are not "tankies," they are Marxist-Leninists.

    What makes someone a "tankie" is that they "defend" certain states. In practice, "defending" often includes just refuting misinformation, for example, if I refute that "everyone in North Korea gets the same haircut" then I'm "defending" it and therefore a "tankie." It can also mean acknowledging accomplishments, saying any good thing about any socialist state, like, "Cuba had a very successful literacy program," which is just an objective historical fact. "Tankie" is supposed to mean someone who blindly supports everything a socialist state has ever done, in practice, it means someone who supports anything a socialist state has ever done.

    Before it was "tankie" it was "pinko," and before that "red." That kind of red scare bullshit has allowed blatant misinformation to run rampant, because even rational people avoid pushing back on it for fear of being labelled a "tankie." As stories about how all communists eat babies or whatnot run rampant, it has in turn hurt the reputation of both leftists and liberals, because it literally doesn't matter how hard you try to distance yourself from the far-left, you'll still get associated with it. Joe Biden got called a communist for Christ's sake. To put it another way:

    Purging the Left of communists became a longstanding practice, having injurious effects on various progressive causes. For instance, in 1949 some twelve unions were ousted from the CIO because they had Reds in their leadership. The purge reduced CIO membership by some 1.7 million and seriously weakened its recruitment drives and political clout. In the late 1940s, to avoid being "smeared" as Reds, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), a supposedly progressive group, became one of the most vocally anticommunist organizations.

    The strategy did not work. ADA and others on the Left were still attacked for being communist or soft on communism by those on the Right. Then and now, many on the Left have failed to realize that those who fight for social change on behalf of the less-privileged elements of society will be Red-baited by conservative elites whether they are communists or not. For ruling interests, it makes little difference whether their wealth and power is challenged by "communist subversives" or "loyal American liberals." All are lumped together as more or less equally abhorrent.

    • Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds

    That is why I put "tankie" in quotes.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Lol the admins for .ml are %100 tankies, calling them Marxist-leninists is just a kinder term for "western children who excuse the authoritarian actions of dictators they agree with". Trying to change history because it doesn't put russia or china in a good light or trying to call the shit they do as "western propaganda" is just being a tankie.

    End of the day, you tankies want to be the ones sending others to the gulags and think you'd be in power in your coming revolution. To bad you're a microscopic portion of the population that agrees with you and your authoritarian logic.

    You're just the "left" wing version of maga, ignorant and will excuse your dear leaders of any wrong doing while sticking your fingers in your ears shouting fake news.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    the left version of maga are the democrat die hards.

    never met a war they didn't support when it was team blue doing it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Naa tankies are just as bad. You excuse the invasion of Ukraine by russia and all the other countries russia wants to attack... looking like Latvia is next on putins list, and I'm sure you'll suggest they deserve it as well. You're just as war mongering as maga is.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    Anyone who opposes any war will always be accused of supporting the other side, and as the other side is always painted as the aggressor no matter the conflict, those most opposed to war will always be painted as the most aggressive warmongers.

    It's no different from when I was labelled a "terrorist sympathizer" or seen as "supporting 9/11" when I opposed war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Opposition to building more tanks is literally the defining characteristic of a "tankie" for that reason, because if you don't want to build more tanks, it can only be because you want the enemy to win. Meanwhile, those who support building and deploying tanks are seen as "peaceful."

    Real "war is peace" hours.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    So that was a lot of words to say nothing.

    Do you think Russia is in a right to invade Ukraine?

    It's the most clear cut conflict in the world at the moment, anyone supporting Putin's aggression has lost themselves to propaganda. Ukraine unfortunately didn't get enough support early on, this conflict could had cost half the lives lost to date.

    It's miles apart to be against an aggressive occupational force with no clear goals, and not support a country's right to defend itself.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Do you think Russia is in a right to invade Ukraine?

    No. No more than I "supported" Al Qaida and 9/11 by opposing going to war.

    It’s miles apart to be against an aggressive occupational force with no clear goals, and not support a country’s right to defend itself.

    I don't believe countries have an inherent right to defend themselves, and if I did then I would say that the DPR had the same right.

    Somehow, the extreme anti-war stance of not supporting even "defensive" wars makes me a bloodthirsty warmonger, a "tankie," while you're the one arguing that we didn't build and deploy enough tanks. Exactly as I described: "war is peace."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    I don't believe countries have an inherent right to defend themselves, and if I did then I would say that the DPR had the same right.

    It's not the Donbas war I'm questioning, there's a reasoning chain that's understandable. Both geopolitically, strategically and culturally.

    It's the full scale invasion of 2022 I'm questioning. There's no chain of thought leading to that invasion, other than greed and lust for blood by Putin and his inner circles. The nationalists were not in power by the time they began their invasion. They had already gained control of the region, Donbas, that wanted to be Russian.

    There's just no way to argue the full scale invasion should ever have started.

    Somehow, the extreme anti-war stance of not supporting even "defensive" wars makes me a bloodthirsty warmonger

    Your endgame argument is national states shouldn't exist, but today they do. As long as they do exist, national governments should be able to defend against other nations attempt to gain control over them. Because if we do assume, at one point we get a global government and abolish the national states. Then it's whoever carries the most power (that's war machines), that'll be able to decide the values of such a government. And by extend shape the culture that'll impact everyone.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (2 children)

    It’s not the Donbas war I’m questioning, there’s a reasoning chain that’s understandable. Both geopolitically, strategically and culturally.

    It’s the full scale invasion of 2022 I’m questioning. There’s no chain of thought leading to that invasion, other than greed and lust for blood by Putin and his inner circles.

    What are you talking about? The DPR requested Russian military assistance. If the DPR was legitimate and had the right to defend itself, then Russia sending troops in at their request was legitimate.

    As long as they do exist, national governments should be able to defend against other nations attempt to gain control over them.

    Disagree.

    Because if we do assume, at one point we get a global government and abolish the national states. Then it’s whoever carries the most power (that’s war machines), that’ll be able to decide the values of such a government. And by extend shape the culture that’ll impact everyone.

    So we have to feed the largest war machine on the planet because otherwise the war machines win?

    Yeah, no. It's not a fight over having war machines or not, it's a fight over which war machine gets fed certain minerals. I have no real stake in that.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    What are you talking about? The DPR requested Russian military assistance. If the DPR was legitimate and had the right to defend itself, then Russia sending troops in at their request was legitimate.

    That has nothing to do with the full scale war. They're two different conflicts.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    That's complete and total nonsense.

    That's not how war works and not how it has ever worked or will ever work. If a war is justified, then it is justified to not only repel the enemy troops from your borders, but to counterattack within their borders in order to reduce their ability to continue fighting. That does not make it "a different conflict" when you do.

    I can't believe people are still dragging out the same absurd talking points that social democrats used a century ago when justifing throwing bodies into the meat grinder of WWI. "We are only fighting against defeat" they said. As if, in their minds, once the German lines were broken, the Allied forces were going to just stop at the border! It's completely and utterly delusional. Or rather, it is bad faith, because they knew, and you and I know, that's not how anything works.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    This is why all this hand-wringing over .ml's censorship is kind of silly. Because people on .ml are constantly seeing content from other instances with completely different policies

    Literally nobody has ever claimed that users on Lemmy.ml are not allowed to see content on other instances - this is not merely a strawman argument but an absolutely ridiculous one.

    Please don't bother to reply to this if this is the level of content that your messages will contain.

    For anyone else that is curious, the complaint is about the lack of transparency in describing what content is vs. is not allowed - a community of people discussing FOSS comes nowhere close to mentioning that you are not allowed to come close to criticizing Russia, China, or North Korea - e.g. it is not allowed to state that Ukraine is not the aggressor and that rather Russia is, or to state that Uyghurs are being killed by China.

    I really really really really really really really really wish that Lemmy would implement a true instance block so that I did not have to spend time reading such comments as this. But for some reason that option is denied to me. Go figure.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's not really a strawman in that I never claimed anyone said it. It's just that people talk about "censorship" and "echo chambers" and "they have to remove things to keep their users brainwashed" or whatever nonsense, ignoring the fact that the structure of the fediverse, as designed by the .ml admins, makes that more or less impossible.

    For anyone else that is curious, the complaint is about the lack of transparency in describing what content is vs. is not allowed

    OK, fair enough, they could afford to clarify the rules somewhat. But I don't really consider that a huge deal. I've been banned from communities on .world for things that aren't enumerated in the rules too. I don't see why rules have to cover every possible thing.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Your argument that lemmy.ml cannot be an echo chamber due to it allowing other machines to store content that it disagrees with is noted. Btw nobody ever said that it was for that reason, so once again ridiculous.

    Your second whataboutism is also noted (counterpoint: 2 things can both be true at the same time) - and expected. Once again I reiterate that I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really wish that I did not have to be subjected to this level of argumentation. But it seems that as long as I continue to use Lemmy, my only option is to block each account individually, over and over again, ad nauseum.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Your argument that lemmy.ml cannot be an echo chamber due to it allowing other machines to store content that it disagrees with is noted.

    That's one way to describe "designed a website where it's virtually unavoidable to encounter opposing views." At that point, you could describe me replying to you as me "storing content you disagree with on another machine" which makes your complaint about my reply existing sound just as silly.

    Btw nobody ever said that it was for that reason, so once again ridiculous.

    Btw, I never said that anyone said it was for that reason, so you are once again being ridiculous.

    Your second whataboutism

    Whataboutism is when you uphold consistent standards and expect others to do the same, understood.

    Once again I reiterate that I really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really wish that I did not have to be subjected to this level of argumentation. But it seems that as long as I continue to use Lemmy, my only option is to block each account individually, over and over again, ad nauseum.

    If you hate the fact that the devs structured the platform to force everyone to encounter opposing views and prevent echo chambers so much, I kinda have to wonder what you're doing on the platform at all. The federated structure is literally in the name, fediverse. It's like going to Burger King and being outraged at seeing burgers on the menu. Is it really that hard to find an echo chamber somewhere with only mainstream liberal views? That's not really something the fediverse is designed for.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    In large part that is what the word "tankie" means - denial of reality, instead substituting their own, which can only be done inside of a controlled echo chamber. Tankie is no way is synonymous with Communist.

    Think MAGA but on the left - it's otherwise identical in terms of behaviors, merely different talking points.

    You may find this illustrative:

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    It's pro-authoritarian. That means this control is not really a contradiction. They say they're leftist, but I think it'd be hard to actually justify that based on the groups they support. Russia isn't leftist. The USSR may have been, but it's long gone. Russia is anti-LGBT+ and doesn't protect workers. It's an oligarchy.

    There are only two consistent things they follow. They're pro-authoritarian and anti-west.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    They are not really leftist. They call themselves that, but they support the authoritarian oligarchy of Russia. That's not what a leftist would do. They are anti-western and pro-authoritarian, and that's about it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I never paid attention to the word until I came to Kbin and subsequently Lemmy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie says:

    Tankie originated in the UK as a term for hardline members of the Communist Party of Great Britain (CPGB) who continued to pledge support for the Soviet Union even when doubts had begun to emerge elsewhere in the party.

    ... Politically speaking, tankies regard past and current socialist systems as legitimate attempts at creating communism, and thus have not distanced themselves from Stalin, China, etc.

    Practically speaking, tankies are pro-fascist and pro-genocide, plus individual (literal) murders, so long as it is done by their favored in-groups (e.g. Russian aggression vs. Ukraine portrayed instead as poor whittle russia forced to defend itself, whoopsie), and opposed to anything (even outright socialism) when done by their opposed out-groups - chiefly Western Civilization.

    So their cries of "Death to the USA" are meant literally, and also inclusive of other NATO states.

    Source: go visit Lemmy.ml, which unlike most other instances by default without being logged in shows only Local rather than Global content, and see for yourself, it should only take a couple of minutes to find such evidence. Or possibly better yet lemmygrad.ml, except that most instances actually defederate from that one whereas almost none defederate from Lemmy.ml.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    One of my first experiences in the Fediverse was mentioning the Uyghur genocide and having my comment promptly removed by the .ml admins. They've been doing this all the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    they have been doing that, maybe you dont visit thier posts often. hexbear, lemmygrad, and ml are all super tankies. others ones you may want to avoid is dbzero, or equivalent, startrek website comm, and some of blahj ones.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

    I'm more curious how .ml users feel about that mod's idea that rape is an acceptable action to do in certain contexts, for example if a woman served in a Western military.

    I can understand all their political positions and opinions but that one seems beyond the pale.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    My opinion is that geneva_convenience has been going off the deep end, getting worse and worse lately, and definitely should be removed as a mod, honestly just banned. He's an edgelord who's taking things to unreasonable extremes and trying to pick fights with everyone.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    i agree, can't stand them either and it's only been getting worse

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    I only really saw it for myself when I said, "I'm completely opposed to the genocidal, apartheid state of Israel. I don't have a problem with Jews existing," and they responded by accusing me of being a "liberal Zionist" and "supporting genocide" and then blocking me.

    I remembered Cowbee saying something about them before, I just looked it up and I gotta give props as always because he was calling them out 9 months ago for not reading theory of doing praxis and just watching Bad Empanada, and for apparently calling Hexbear "transzionist" and accusing them of defending Contrapoints' stance on Israel, which is just bizarre.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago*

    Geneva convenience says I'm a "zio" because I say HAMAs commits war crimes.

    Dude, they take pride in it. You can watch it... more videos than you could ever watch all of

    (Yes, Israel commits war crimes and breaks the Geneva convention, too).

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    I've blocked all .lm instances and even now piefed. The creator or piefed bans anyone who criticizes his dumb ass decisions. Well that's fine, there a reason the entirety of piefed as a software has been decreasing population.

    Also there are occasional mods that just love to jerk themselves. The dumb taco truck mod on the Star Trek instance will ban you if you say you don't like new Star Trek, but that dumbass just moderates two mostly dead communities, so it's okay

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    [–] 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    The mods do whatever they want, many break their own posted rules with regularity.

    In my experience, in Lemmy they are more apt to delete a comment then ban, so that is nice.

    There's no logic to it. I've said "The nation ___________ says this, their motto is ___________ .... (and then repeat their own slogan from their own officials)."

    Delete. 100% true, easily verifiable everywhere, public information pertaining to the discussion, deleted.

    So, if you're censored or banned, that just means that you're a thinking person with reasonable opinions who bases your conclusions on the factual information available to you.

    It's a good thing. Thank God.

    If they agree with you, please get help immediately. Time is short.

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  • [–] 69 points 1 month ago* (28 children)

    It’s good to have this documented, thanks. It’s one thing for everyone to “know” they’re Tankies, it’s another to have compiled evidence and A/B examples like this to point to.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (19 children)

    There used to be several of such posts, in this very community iirc, though most ended up being removed for whatever reason, sometimes after being locked for toxicity in the comment section.

    Particularly when those "try a Threadiverse instance at 'random'" websites send people to Lemmy.ml (the main one sends people to either Lemmy.ml or hexbear.net ~90% of the time - btw that is not hyperbole, try it and see), people who joined here truly will not be made aware until after they arrive and almost inevitably find out the hard way.

    I believe this is the secondary reason (after overall lack of content) that Lemmy's active user community is not growing even as Reddit continues to degrade.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    This is the main reason we have to get a fork up to feature parity with all the major clients. I don't want to recommend Lemmy any more, I want to recommend some other threadiverse alternative that does the same thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    PieFed is leagues ahead of Lemmy at this point. The main thing that it lacks iirc is a great search function like Lemmy has. Mind you, third-party app support is minimal, but that's an issue with each one of those choosing whether or how fast to catch up, which will never end - the same as they do for Lemmy's features also.

    Unfortunately PieFed by default also shadow-censors people's contributions, plus other anti-social media type features, which doesn't affect someone running their own instance (for that purpose PieFed is unquestionably far superior) but does affect anyone posting to communities located on an instance running PieFed where that opt-out feature is left enabled - including users currently on Lemmy, Mbin, Mastodon, Friendica, nodeBB, etc. Many planned migrations - both user accounts and whole communities - were cancelled as a result.

    Therefore a new fork was born - not of Lemmy but of PieFed - called PyLova. Last I checked it has even more features than PieFed, though PieFed recently borrowed many (though not all) of them.

    Lemmy, as far as the bleeding edge of new features is concerned, has been left behind in the dust, and seems unlikely to ever catch up (writing in the Rust language I hear is quite slow). And PieFed and even more PyLova are running circles around it.

    There's also Mbin, which few people use except those who want to access both threaded conversations and user microblogging style content from the same account on the Fediverse.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Piefed still can't show me my upvoted and down voted content on voyager and Alexandrite. I need to test this on pylova.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Voyager offers only beta, rudimentary support for instances running PieFed, and therefore PyLova as well. In general, third-party app support for PieFed is rather poor imho - see https://piefed.social/community/fediverse/wiki/piefed-app.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Recommend some instance that defederates the Tankie Triad. Problem solved?

    And beside that, maybe choose an instance that is running PieFed, PyLova or mBin?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Piefed is not without it's issues (mainly that rimu has the social skills of a grapefruit) but it's wild how violently .ml users hate it. I know they're from the dev instance so some bias is understandable, but holy cow some of the shit that gets made up to scare people away from it is absurd.

    I feel the mbin devs must be watching the shitshow from within a popcorn filled bunker, just praying nobody remembers they exist long enough to drag them into it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Yeah the vast majority of criticism is completely made-up, and even after it was proven to be falsehoods nobody seemed to recant (that I saw anyway). Instead, people continue to point to the debunked conspiracy theories despite the months and months that have passed since then. It really underscores the point about how an echo chamber functions - facts truly do not matter in the slightest to some people.

    And it's especially odd given how PieFed has more recently shot itself in the foot by shadow-censoring offered upvotes, but people still cite the long-debunked conspiracy theories rather than such an actual reason for criticism of the software.

    Tribal. Sad(ge). Bad.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    There are no major Lemmy instances that defederate from Lemmy.ml in particular.

    Lemmy.zip comes the closest, not fully defederating but something similar. I forget if programming.dev does similarly as well. (Edit: ah, I forgot - only 2 of the 3 tankie triad instances are thus blocked by default, so here too there are zero major instances that block Lemmy.ml in particular.)

    There's also PieFed.zip by the same excellent admin team as Lemmy.zip. So Lemmy.zip and PieFed.zip are excellent general-purpose recommendations to offer to people. (Edit: despite how they don't block the triad - but at least PieFed.zip allows individual users to do so, if they wish. And after they figure out how, and that there is a need for such, which nobody it seems will officially recommend to them.)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    despite how they don’t block the triad - but at least PieFed.zip allows individual users to do so, if they wish. And after they figure out how, and that there is a need for such, which nobody it seems will officially recommend to them

    On piefed.zip a new user has hexbear, grad and lemmynsfw put in their account filter. And the welcome DM that is being sent includes info that we do this and how to manage account filters. So as long as the new users read the DM, they from the start have the info how to block instances for themselves

    We don't defederate often. I think it has been the selling point for some of our users. But PieFed offers much better blocking (compared to Lemmy at the time when I migrated), so we can have an instance for both - those who want everything, and those who don't

    And btw, effectively speaking we don't do vote quota on PieFed.zip

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Recommend some instance that defederates the Tankie Triad. Problem solved?

    You would think right? Unfortunately their "problem" won't be solved till everyone's block list looks exactly like theirs. Who is censoring who again?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    How come?

    A block allows the tankies to see the normal person's comments and to reply to they. The only effect of a block is that you won't know someone has replied to your comment and can badmouth you freely. So yeah, regarding blocks you are right.

    But a defederation works differently. Users of a defederated instance do not see the comments on the otger side of the breakage at all, and therefore cannot troll under them either. If your instance fully defederates from the trolls, you really do get a better experience. There's no need for everyone to defederate for defederation to benefit the instance's users.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Was anyone hiding being a "tankie"? I mean I don't really use the term I just call it Marxist-Leninist but if that's what you want to call it I'm fine with that. I mean I'm clearly not trying to hide my political views if you look at my username. Not sure what you needed "evidence" for. But more power to ya i guess.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    XiJinpingStanAccount honestly sounds like a parody handle, I'd expect the likelyhood of such a user to actually favour Xi Jinping rather low.

    Personally I don't understand why we'd want less democracy, instead of more of it. Citizens assemblies is the logical move, for anyone wanting more power to the people - But I guess my views are closer to anarchist movements than anything, I don't want to alter everything. I just want to kill intergenerational wealth.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Well it's sort of a parody but the other way. I am parodying stan accounts by making one about Xi Jinping, who I do like, and who is not the typical recipient of a stan account. Also, speaking about democracy being 'more' or 'less' is odd. I think it's impossible to do so. Because nobody can agree on what makes things more or less democratic. For example, I think China is more democratic than the US. Not less. Why? Because my metric for the level of 'democracy' in a nation is how closely that nations policies match the will of its people and how happy the people are with its policies. Others may say what makes something more democratic is simply more chances to vote on things. Or perhaps they would say the less seperation from the final decision the better. (direct vs representative democracy). So, like I said, a hard thing to discuss without causing confusion by using the same words to mean different things.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    example, I think China is more democratic than the US.

    Both countries are a clusterfuck from a democratic/people decides perspective. The way both countries are ruled is quite similar. They're two sides of the same coin.

    Because my metric for the level of 'democracy' in a nation is how closely that nations policies match the will of its people and how happy the people are with its policies

    This is really hard to gauge for China specifically, because there's as you noted no electorally elected officials.

    Furthermore it's an authoritarian leadership, known to punish dissidents. It's a very complex topic to go into who benefits and who don't, from the current Chinese policies. Chinas economy is as much, if not more, dependent on gig labour as the US is. The gig labourers are not in better conditions in China, than they are in the US.

    It's not unheard of that parents pay for their adult children's medicine, because the only income their child could get was from a poorly paid delivery gig.

    There's an issue globally with the elites having grown more greedy, especially in the past four decades. I think one of US, UK, China or Russia is going to see their elite lose power and fall to a popular uprising. Before any other oligarchical society, at which all oligarchs are going to give crumbs back to the people.

    Just like European royal houses gave more wealth and power to their commoners as a response to the French revolution.

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