He still does. Progressives are winning more and more seats, eventually the DNC will be replaced and be useful brick by brick.
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Winning over one voter is much harder than convincing someone not to vote. It’s exactly the sort of strategy an effective political actor would engage in to win when faced with a deeply unpopular party.
Get this bullshit out of here? You are the liberal in a communist space, the one that doesn't belong is you
Ah yes, removing a top comment from the thread is such a power move. It's so cool how you seem to know my political views, please tell me everything else I think.
Thin skinned cowards here.
Since I was not clear the first time, your ideology is not welcome here. This is a communist space. This is a leftist space. Democrats are not left-wing, they are not leftist, they are fascists. We have a fascist in the White House because of fascist Democrats getting him elected.
You are the reason no one stays on lemmy
schumer and hakeem will do this 100%.
Which is why the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries has to get the hook and be dragged off stage. They are 50% responsible for the rise, and re-rise of MAGA, and they e done nothing to earn a third chance at containing them.
It's time we give competent, committed people the job of resisting MAGA, since these two have fully proved that they are not up to the task. In fact, when this is over, and we're investigating everybody, we should also check into these two losers, because we'll almost certainly find they were collaborating with MAGA all along. If that's true, then they should end up in jail with their MAGA friends.
If you take a glance at their profile you can see they don't actually believe in voting because they think the west (which let's be honest no one from the US calls ourselves that) is all evil lol
The West is one single evil entity
No. You're missing the point. Suppression is not what tricking you into believing voting making a difference when the trick was always to make you think that what is done to you is what you asked for. In this particular when Trump took a criminal stank of green blood of gold to do and eat this dirt work being done and nothing at all for the Jerry rig to the card "shuffler."
Posts like this only help the fascists. They have no other purpose.
The accountability Democrats created after a literal attempted coup, and having the power to do something about it for four years:

We're here because of the repeated and reliable failure of Democrats. And that failure is possible because of commentors like you.
Democrats are the fascists
So you support Republicans then?
Same coin
How exactly do you define fascism?
Fascism doesn't have a static definition, it's fluid to adapt to current conditions.
We will never have a complete definition of fascism, because it is in constant motion, showing a new face to fit any particular set of problems that arise to threaten the predominance of the traditionalist, capitalist ruling class. Neo liberalism, post modernism, neo colonialism, libertarian, democratic socialism. It's all just fascism reforming itself into whatever it needs to be to maintain capitalism, and settler colonialism, and suppress the international proletariat revolution to overthrow Imperialism.
George Jackson, Blood In My Eye - Fascism
That just boils down to "whatever I don't like is fascism". It's worthless. Thougj it can take many forms, there are absolute characteristics that define fascism.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism
Those rules applied to those times. That's only applicable if you are historically and politically illiterate
I'm inclined to think that Umberto Eco knows what he is talking about better than any present company here.
I'm betting you don't know a single thing about him other than that list
I've read Foucault's Pendulum and I know he lived through fascist Italy.
But right now you're living in fascist America and can't see the total picture of fascism
Democrats are the fascists that help enable fascism to flourish
With Gruesome Newsom being the possible front leader of the Democrats for presidential candidates they're utterly not hiding they don't care about human rights. They'd happily walk back LGBT+ rights to stay in office at this point.
I'm not American, so I know very little about newscom, what's so bad about him?
He's like the definition of smarmy rich liberal.
And yeah, he's anti-trans. Which needs to become a nonstarter for Democrats
He's a typical MAGA in Democrat clothing. He criticizes Trump, but he doesn't do anything to punish the Sociopathic Oligarchs that we all know are the heart of the problem. He is perfectly cast for his role as the President where nothing much happens, and MAGA will rise for another bite of Treason Profits.
Simply put, transphobe. Uses the same rhetoric as the far right. As well his policies on homelessness and handling it in Cali is pretty piss poor. He's another example of fascist lite put forward by the Dems who are trying to appear more right.
https://calmatters.org/politics/2025/03/newsom-transgender-athletes/
Best case scenario we get a dozen DSA's elected and their presence numerically forces a small measure of change. The centrists are probably insider trading off their security briefings and aren't going to do anything to stop the golden goose.
The fascists already won. Your only power now is local, as we saw in LA, Portland, Chicago, and Minneapolis earlier this year.
That's not true, didn't a couple of them sit down in protest a while back?
They'll use the power of strong finger wags though.
Interesting crap. The only truth here is if you don’t vote, you have voted for the winner. All this business about not liking a party or candidate and not voting is essentially just voting for the winner. Not very smart and just planning to roll over and take it.
I love how a simple and obvious critique of the perpetual failure which is the Democratic party is almost routinely met with the Hey this isn't cheerleading?! retort.
No it's not. Don't be a fucking moron.
Democrats have earned every fucking iota of critism that can be mustered and it's 💯 deservered.
What actually hurts Democrats is this unnecessary, thoughtless, cheerleader protection you offer them.
Democrats can't do better if they don't change, entirely, as a party, and guarding them from well warranted critism has done lasting and material damage to their ability to be a bulwark agaisnt fascism. You hurt Democrats chances when you dismiss critiques of them with this kind of "but Republicans bad too" shit.
As an enterpuse, Blue MAGA is largely respond for the revivL of fascism and this act you are putting on, it's central how that process functions.
Fresh out of the nest I suppose..
This has been a primary topic of conservation on political lemmy, and before that reddit, for years. You being new to a discussion doesn't mean the discussion is new. As a collective we've been having this discussion for a very long time. No, its not a coincidence that critiques about how objectively anti-democratic the Democratic party is often emerge around elections. There is an election, its time for critiques like that. Its also not your fucking place to decide for other people when is the right time for criticism or not. You can deal with the critique on its merits, or you can shut the fuck up. Otherwise you are doing precisely what I'm accusing you of.
No one in this thread is saying not to criticize Democrats…
No see thats exactly what's happening and its exactly what you are doing. And it spoiled the election for Democrats in '24 by allowing them to continue with an internal process which is structurally manufactured to ignore the will of the voting population.
No you won't, liberals are cowards that don't see they abale fascists
oh no someone's robbing the bank, somebody do something!
don't worry, I've got a banana peel and some lint from my pocket!
how is that gonna help?
you're being defeatist!
We intend to hold fire to their feet
I heard this so much during Biden's term of "holding Dems accountable" and "we're pushing them left".
Then Biden did this right before leaving (not even accounting for all the anti-worker shit he did before then during his time in office). Yeah we really held them accountable and pushed him left.
It couldn't possibly be the Democrats doing nothing that causes voters to be apathetic, rather than users of an obscure social media platform complaining. I mean, c'mon, we gotta be realistic!
Third time's the charm right? They'll totally actually get rid of him this time unlike the previous times they wasted time and money doing it.
Waiting for justice for Trumps role in J6 from the period of J7 2020 till November 2024:

Remember how lib's were sucking off Meuller, and then Garland, and then smith while Justice lay "just around the corner". Pepperridge farms remembers.
Our problem isn't actually Republicans. Republicans are predictable and always will do the worst thing. They can be easily stopped if Democrats had the will to act. Our problem is Democrats who shield republicans from accountability, and those who protect Democrats from criticism and replacement.
No that's not our fucking problem dude. Our problem is shitlibs and blue MAGA for a party which should have been burnt to the ground because of their inability to stop fascism back in 2016. Instead, cowardly blue maggots continue to run interference a Democratic party which continues to run interference for genocide and fascism.
It's not the facists preventing us from stopping fascism. Genuinely. It's Democratic leadership and their geriatric control of the party structure which has enabled fascism in the first place. Nothing of the current moment is possible with our Democrats and how theyve governed in the past decade. And nothing of their governence is possible without apologists like you .
I don't really give a fuck what you think because I've been in this game much longer than you. I've seen how the narratives have shifted and how things have gone from the retconned narrative you liberals try to push, to the generalized recognition even among ficking boomers that actually Democrats are also the fucking problem. 16 years ago, 12 years ago, 8 years ago, hell even 2 years ago, your narrative was what "most Democrats" believed.
But things have changed. The majority of likely Democrat voters recognize that the Democrats are just as in favor of fascism as Republicans. And as such mainstream liberalism has effectively no motion. You lost this battle for narrative when you said the exact same fucking thing in 2016, and 2024 only for your team to hand the keys to the fascists. So I'm not worried because no one fucking believes you any more. We know Democrats are just as much the problem as Republicans.
It's 2026 and there are still people who think there's more than one political party in the US.
Even worse, some of them are convinced that just spending 3 minutes of their life signing a piece of paper will be enough to change anything.
Note that I'm not discouraging anyone from voting. I don't care whether you do or don't, but I'd strongly encourage you to do literally anything else either instead of or on top of voting.
Just voting is how we got two world wars, with a third one well on its way, a dozen genocides, countless people dying from lack of access to basic necessities, and so on.
Clearly it's not enough. And not just in the US, but everywhere.

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