Sipping tea from beer mugs with his co-workers, Kyle Bos listed the ways his life is changing.

Bos has two daughters, with a third due in January. At the grocery store, five items cost as much as a full cart once did. And on Wednesday, Bos and nearly 1,400 other people were laid off from their jobs at what had been the Navistar truck factory in southwestern Ohio.

The layoffs — occurring just three days before President Donald Trump's rally on Saturday at a nearby high school — were large enough to basically erase an entire year of job growth in the greater Dayton, Ohio, area. And they are one reason why Bos, 30, plans to spend the final weeks before the November election canvassing votes for Democrats.

Asked how many times he had voted for Trump, Bos held up three tattooed fingers. But he said he's done with the president.

"Something has to change politically in this country," said Bos, a member of the United Auto Workers who identifies as a centrist. "Seems like it just kept getting worse and worse and worse."

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[–] 134 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Asked how many times he had voted for Trump, Bos held up three tattooed fingers. But he said he's done with the president.

Look, I was all in for ruining other people's lives, but now that I lost my job, I'm out

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    Now that Trump can't run again and isn't even going to be on the ballot I'm done with him.

    (Ya I know Trump is going to try to stay in office but if that man lives another 2 years the world ended anyways.)

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  • [–] 82 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    He identifies a a centrist but voted Trump three times. Can someone help me with the math because something doesn't add up.

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  • [–] 56 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Many people claiming to be "independents" or "centrists" are just lying. They are temporarily embarrassed conservatives, usually.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Can you make one that's "progressives vocally against Democrats in an election year" on the top and "right wing agitators" on the bottom?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    🤔 what happened to Enlightened Centrism / Both Sides btw?

    There were whole subs that professed to be earnest about it, and others that ridiculed it.

    But being openly nazi is perfectly fine nowadays, there's no reason to obfuscate one's true opinions anymore.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I think it's less that they are lying, and more that their lived experiences and indoctrination had led them to believe the center is further right than you.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    All I have to say is that towards the end of W's second failed term, there was a sudden uptick in people claiming "I'm an independent".

    Including people that up until just a short while earlier had Bush/Cheney stickers on their cars...

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    there was a sudden uptick in people claiming “I’m an independent”.

    Most "Independents" are like Libertarians.

    Republicans who want to do all the republican shit, and push all the republican hatred, but don't want to carry the social burden of being associated with Republicanism.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago

    There are several ways to get there. One is to draw tha scale so the Clintons are basically communists and the other end is a 1930s radical fascist. Another is to assume that you have the most reasonable, correct, and moderate political opinions. Like all the people who say they are Libertarian while voting straight Republican so they can support bad things without owning up to it.

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    Pretty sure it was Obama and his damn Tan suits

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    [–] 22 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    And Trump will tell people at the rally to stop complaining because affordability is a hoax by the democrats and it would have been so much worse if Biden was president. And far too many people will leave the rally believing it.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Family member of mine said it's because the the Democrats have the Senate and Representatives...... He was/is brain washed and didn't realize who is holding power right now

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I have to make sure I heard that correctly. You're saying you have a family member that believes the House and Senate are currently controlled by democrats?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    plans to spend the final weeks before the November election canvassing votes for Democrats

    Oh good, they can learn eventually.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 month ago (29 children)

    "Something has to change politically in this country," said Bos, a member of the United Auto Workers who identifies as a centrist. "Seems like it just kept getting worse and worse and worse."

    It's you. You have to change. You won't. You voted three times for the guy who has never taken responsibility for his own actions.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago* (26 children)

    The problem was that Trump sold himself as the change. He said he was the outsider who was going to clean up Washington. Heck I even voted for him the first time, because honestly, I never in a million years thought he was going to win. Irregardless, we are all in echo chambers: the left, the right, whatever you believe in. The little square of doom running on the algorithm that wants to keep everyones attention on the little square of doom has figured out how to give everyone the confirmation bias they crave and keeps everyone engaged with thinking that theyre the only ones who understand.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    The problem was that Trump sold himself as the change. He said he was the outsider who was going to clean up Washington.

    Oh bullshit.

    The only change he sold was the ability to drop the mask and be openly bigoted and hateful again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I wasn't talking about now, I was talking about 2016. Unfortunately, when he didnt "drain the swamp" people still thought that he was going to in 2020 and 2024. They held on to that change narrative when it wasn't going to happen.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I wasn’t talking about now, I was talking about 2016.

    So was I.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    conflating single issue voters with closet bigots is how you make the situation more divisive and foster animosity btw

    regardless of how this guy actually voted, i know many people voted for him in 2016 because his campaign was extremely vocal about ending proxy wars. the focus shouldn't be on them, it should be on the people who voted for him 3 times and still try to dodge accountability and deflect shame by marketing themselves as a "centrist"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (19 children)

    Just a tiny nitpick, it's Regardless. Iregardless isn't a word.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    If people say it, it is a word. Irregarless grinds against my sensibilities like orientate does, but you can't fight the tide (and shouldn't because language changes).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    We already have a word, it's called Regardless.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Nah. If people say it, and aren't mocked or corrected, it's a word. We're keeping irregardless out of our lexicon by force, so help me flying spaghetti monster.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You're literally a century too late for that. Irregardless is contained in Merriam-Webster, Dictionary.com, and the American Heritage Dictionary.
    The word is informal and nonstandard, so don't use it in corporate settings. But it's in daily use and gaining popularity. So it's perfectly fine for forum use.
    Also, Papyrus is and always has been the right choice of title font for Avatar.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Orientate comes from when maps used to point to sunrise, the Orient, in the east. Then North took over a little later.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    My issue is that you can say orient as in "I use a map to orient myself in a new city." Orientate is just a longer way to say the same thing. My point was I don't like it, but I don't pretend it should be policed either.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    That's a dumb fucking argument. I guess in your world know one can understand you anymore

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Did you understand irregardless?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    No, I have no idea what you're saying and now we have to talk about it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I perceive thou dost not honour English, wherefore this discourse doth lead to naught.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Meh. I get your point I just would just say this term has been denied for 20 sum years now. Fetch isn't happening either. Also, using incorrect words like this just devalue anything you were trying to say in the first place. Just look at how it's called out right away.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago

    Truly none of this matters. They will still vote straight R down the ticket, to dismantle those unions that protect them. I despise what they've done to America, almost as much as the billionaires themselves.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    Ohioan: Lowers Trump flag to half-mast

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    What? Gas guzzling vehicles aren't in high demand right now?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    I'd be willing to bet 1200 of them still vote GOP in November.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    Keep munching on the shit sandwich from MAGA and guzzle down the Orange Kool-Aid. Zero sympathy, you voted for it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    thanks don donny. are we great yet?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    I didn't think voting for a corrupt industrialist who is markedly anti union would effect my labor job in manufacturing!!! who could have known?!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    They have my sympathy, but I'm also laughing at them for getting what they voted for.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    lol my gut feels fine. Theirs should, too, they obviously got what they wanted.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Something about leopards…

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    They knew he was a full of shitz, everyone has known trump is full of shit for many decades. They just thought he couldn't fuck it up that badly and he'd be real mean to immigrants and queer folks. Yes, willingly duped.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I try to keep a pulse on this thing, i live in deep maga territory. I understand the instinct to believe everyone knows they are being duped, but after i spent time getting to know some Trump supporters i have become deeply infuriated at the education system: they are indeed that dense. For disadvantaged men, at least, the culture of being tough and masculine leads to a lot of unaddressed trauma that is then channeled by the media to reinforce conservative ideology.

    It is not that complicated to see, for example: being gay is bad in the ideology, anything deemed as gay is ostracized; human sexuality is a spectrum and only a small minority are perfectly straight, so any given man probably has some subtle gay feelings they have to repress. These men are then fed the story that they are better than the gay men because they (the conservatives) have self restraint. This contempt that has been manufactured is then translated directly into votes, because why would one let “reckless unrestrained fools” (my paraphrasing of perspective) run the country?

    This is why culture war nonsense is so damned important, if people knew they were being fooled the culture war wouldn’t work.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Idk man it's still a choice, you're not wrong in what you said but if people keep choosing hate because of human psychology in our DNA or something, then yeah we're just doomed which is the way it looks like it's going. An empathetic perspective like yours doesn't offer any solution, neither does my cynical perspective other than just protect yourself and find an opportunity to leave.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And that's the point!

    Pretty much no viable Republican would say such a thing. They'll do 10,000 things that make it clear they've abandoned blue-collar / working class people. They'll support 1,000,000 more things that make it clear they've abandoned blue-collar / working class people. But they would never actually say they abandoned (or are ready to abandon) blue-collar / working class people.

    So, Republican/MAGA managed to take near total control of the 3 branches of the USA's federal government, a huge portion of state governments, and an enormous amount of local governments without even having to really try. Because "the other side" is more than happy to abandon the folks who voted for it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Lying in parliament should be a crime. These things should matter when you are a decision maker for a country. Calling them out on it somehow makes the accuser seem petty?! We need to ditch 17th century sensibilities and take these tools to task for their malignant mismanagement.

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    DRUMP'S ECONOMY

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    If they vote Republican again they can make 5,000 dollars so i've been told by the orange paedophile.

    Also they can sleep soundly knowing Iran can never have a nuclear weapon.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    What do you expect in this Epstein economy?

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    International sold the plant to Roshel, a Canadian company that makes armored vehicles. They are expected to hire many of these folks back within a year, and will have to negotiate a new contract to do that also, ultimately planning to have about double the existing workforce.

    From the article:

    Laid-off workers like Donnelly say they expect to be rehired in six to 12 months by Roshel, a Canadian manufacturer of armored vehicles that is buying the plant. Roshel said in a statement that it's "working with everyone involved not only to protect the current workforce, but to more than double it over the coming years through a phased process."

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    WHY DOES HE SUPPORT GENOCIDE, NOW, AFTER EVERYTHING TRUMP HAS DONE?!? REEEEERERRERRREEEEEE!

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