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[–] 361 points 1 month ago* (11 children)

This leads to the government deciding which websites you can visit and cant visit down the line. This is a dystopian level of control and with surveillance already getting dystopian… Pick your dystopian technology book and decide which one we’re leading towards. Fascism policies are already on the rise in democratic worlds.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I pick mad max. In the end, it will come down to oil.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    UK already doing this to try to block 4chan. You can decide if that is a good or bad thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Am I the only one who read Rash?

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  • [–] 71 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    Choose your DNS provider wisely

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  • [–] 71 points 1 month ago* (13 children)

    And ensure your VPN provider isn’t headquartered in the US (or better yet any five eyes nation) nor one of the ones owned by the Israeli Billionaire Teddy Sagi who likely also has deep ties to the Israeli and US governments

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kape_Technologies

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago

    TIL expressVPN started as

    Crossrider started off by making a SDK for the deployment of browser extensions platforms with support for monetizing extensions. The monetization options were used by major [ad injectors which used man-in-the-browser to change or add advertisements to what users saw.

    JFC.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Good lists of vpn providers would be appreciated.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Mullvad is zero log and located in Sweden, and accepts payment in crypto to reduce traceable privacy footprint (which frankly is one of the real, relevant use-cases for crypto to further legitimate privacy needs).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Proton, mullvad, air VPN, depending on threat case. NordVPN for torrenting specifically, but not as good for privacy etc.

    The most important thing is to check who owns the VPN (as the previous commentor said, stay away from Kape tech) and where it's based (e.g., 14 eyes), as well as independent security audits and the company's public history with government requests.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    NextDNS is good and I just realised that it's based in The US. The alternative ones don't seem to provide the feature of granular filtering.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I use pihole+unbound right now and hoping that is unaffected

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago*

    i think you have to set up DoH with unbound to make it not be in cleartext? I dunno honestly I'm a dummy, but I'm fairly sure that it's pretty tricky to get it totally secured. I guess I don't understand why you can't use ubound recursively but have its root.hints pointing as something like quad9 instead of all the actual root authoritative dns servers, theres like 13 of them and more than half are the US government.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Like this will ever work. lol. Just don’t get VPN from a company that is headquartered in the US. Problem solved. There are a million other ways to bypass this. There will ALWAYS be away, they’re just trying to make it harder for the experienced, and impossible for your average Joe.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    The only way to stop it is by severing all the cables and blowing up the infrastructure. They aren't prepared to do that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    This is the same party that are all for unregulated AI use and no consequences for breaking copyright to train it.

    This bill's goal is to provide a standardized mechanism to filter sites then start blocking sites that state doesn't approve.

    It's same as the other "think of the children" bills of the party that is protecting pedophiles.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    political theater. won't happen because it's unenforceable.

    • VPNs operate outside of federal control
    • ISPs leverage DNS blocking to censor which is laughable
    • DNS exists outside of the US

    if this does happen, IF, it has nothing to do with IP rights or protecting Americans. it has everything to do with censoring what the majority of common Americans read online. this is the first step towards blocking news outlets that won't regurgitate whitehouse directives.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (2 children)
    • ISPs leverage DNS blocking to censor

    And blocking the IP address of the site in question, as well. That’s why so many “illegal” sites jump around IP addresses like a flea on a hot griddle. They’re trying to remain accessible whenever the ISP prevents direct access.

    Because if you block the IP address, blocking DNS is superfluous and performative -- it’s just window dressing for better optics towards politicians who don’t understand tech. DNS censorship trivially bypassible by using custom DNS servers that aren’t affected by the censorship, while IP blocking hits everyone who is under that ISP regardless of their DNS settings - they need a VPN to bypass IP blocking.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    all that's going to do is give them an excuse to block IPs outside the US by the block.

    keep an eye on the FCC and any legislation they take against HAM or SDR. without that it would be difficult to have any comms outside the US.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    No, IP blocking is widespread in most places, it’s just that “rights holder” lawsuits go after the domain name, first, both in terms of the registrar and DNS. They also force ISPs to block IP addresses, but this is more of a whack-a-mole prospect so it’s usually a second-order method.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    If piracy was a problem I can find them multiple international corporations that are well know for using copyrighted content to train their LLM without paying for it or having permission from the owner of that content.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This is a special kind of irony: someone is lambasting one group for piracy while simultaneously advocating for another group to do essentially the same thing for their own benefit.

    They’re not really prosecuting people for piracy, so why would they go after large corporations?

    I’m not supporting the idea of pirating data for LLM training. I’m just saying: don’t be a hypocrite simply because a group of people you dislike is doing the same thing you’re doing, for the same reasons.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (3 children)

    They’re not really prosecuting people for piracy, so why would they go after large corporations?

    One group is poor individuals and the other is a billion/trillion dollar industry that's basically gloating about pirating at an industrial scale.

    Going after individuals for downloading a 4Gb rip of a movie doesn't make any financial sense but it makes a lot more sense going after companies downloadinh millions of gigabytes and have more than enough money to pay damages

    So it's strange to continue attacking individuals while covering your eyes at the big companies

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I'm not attacking anyone, and I'm not covering my eyes to anything.

    You basically just proved my point: going after every individual or corporation that pirates isn't really feasible.

    I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy in the stance itself. It doesn't matter who's doing the pirating; the underlying justification is the same. If it's acceptable for an individual to pirate something because the company no longer sells it, then you can't suddenly declare that same reasoning unacceptable when a corporation does it for essentially the same reason.

    You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. Either you apply the same standards of criticism and ridicule to individuals and corporations, or your argument doesn't hold water.

    You're either okay with piracy as a principle, or you're not. You don't get to create one standard for individuals and another for corporations simply because you prefer one of them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Either you apply the same standards of criticism and ridicule to individuals and corporations, or your argument doesn't hold water.

    That's exactly what I'm doing though. Imagine standing there with a bullhorn shouting that you just downloaded every available movie, show, research paper, news article, etc and you're now profiting significantly off of it, as an individual. You'd get sued into oblivion if you weren't sent to prison first.

    I still think pirating is okay and that the US twisting the world's arm to enforce the DMCA is fucking BS but if we have to suffer with it then the billion dollar companies should have to too

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Privacy is not ok. People are stealing intellectual property. You can dress it up however you want, but that doesn't change what is actually happening.

    At some point, you have to stop convincing yourself that you're somehow not breaking the law simply because enforcement is difficult or unlikely. Let's not beat around the bush: I'm completely comfortable with what I'm hypothetically doing when I hypothetically pirate media, and I fully understand exactly what is taking place. I'm not pretending otherwise.

    And let's be honest, people aren't exactly hiding it. They're openly discussing it, building massive communities around it, sharing methods and resources, and publicly arguing for why they think it's justified. Look at the conversation we're having right now. The difference is that, in practice, prosecuting every individual pirate or every corporation doing something similar, is generally not worth the resources required.

    But that's a question of enforcement, not legality.

    Look, man. You don't have to morally agree with piracy, and you don't have to pretend it's something other than what it is. Just admit to yourself what is actually taking place when someone pirates something: they're obtaining and using copyrighted material without the copyright holder's authorization. Whether you personally think that's justified is a completely separate question.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 month ago

    This goes far deeper than just "piracy". Everyone's favourite section 1201 of the DMCA also means that this bill will result in the US blocking foreign sites which explain to you how to fix your shit if you have to bypass even the most inane digital lock.

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  • [–] 153 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    Great, more boomers who can't understand how the internet works.

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  • [–] 135 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    This doesn't stem from a lack of understanding. It's about corporations and control.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    We need to stop believing the boomer’s framing that they’re all old and dumb, and start realizing that they’d eat us if we tasted good

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    Given all the cute sentient animals humans gleefully consume, your words ring true.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Those cute sentient animals would eat us too if they were sapient. And we tasted good.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The difference is we pretend to be better than then, we know better and can usually do something about it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Each half of that sentence is diametrically opposed to the other.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    The thing that would make us better isn’t knowing; it’s doing. It makes sense to say that someone who knows better but behaves no better is literally no better.

    Rationality is sensitivity and responsiveness to reasons, and plenty of folks are unresponsive to normative facts.

    At least 70% of humans are just dangerously intelligent animals. Like imagine a polar bear that can drive and trade stocks. That’s the average person.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago

    Sounds like another assault on freedom of speech.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    And wouldn't you know it, anything that disagrees with the current regime is piracy.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    We're just not allowed to use computers in any way that actually benefits us, anymore? Digital prison man.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    In any country. Which is already nudging me in the direction of buying some land and weapons, set up some kind of a farm and let humanity fuck itself however it wants. Big problem though: land and weapons cost way more than I can afford

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  • [–] 46 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    US on the way to become a less free country than China lol

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    China inspects each packet for vpn patterns. US still have lots of work to do.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    But surely the whole point of using the VPN is to use one that's outside of U.S authority?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Not if you want low lacency.

    IMO your main concern should be about what country the VPN is based out of (and their privacy policy) more than where the servers are located. But then again I suppose it all depends on what kind of activity you're using your VPN for.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    When I was messing around with my VPN, I was looking at translated news from Germany, France and Spain and they all have more or less different data usage policies. It's interesting but at the same time, you can just go on a news website that a country mainly uses and translate it.

    Interstingly though, when I used a VPN, it changes all the typical homepage shortcuts on Google chrome to what Germany, France and Spain uses for the main shortcuts.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Yeah, good luck with enforcing that to foreign VPN providers, you dumb fucks.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Next step is blocking access to foreign VPN providers. They are dumb fucks, but they are persistent dumb fucks.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Double VPN? VPS in Europe? Tor?

    Life... Finds a way. Piracy too.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I think so too - we and many others won't have an issue getting whatever we need. But the broad masses might not, and this legislation also aims at things like repair instructions and tools to fix your shit thanks to Section 1201 of the DMCA.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Only nutjobs like us gonna go double vpn+ tor. Not a single normie would ever go though this.

    Look at China. One can penetrate the great firewall but need to jump through so many hoops just to get a shitty internet connection to the rest of the world. Normies there just won't do it.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago

    Well, time to protest, and if need be, use the constitution how it was intended.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    That's the whole point of VPN providers. They're not in your jurisdiction.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Darrell Issa out of California appears to have proposed this, I assume because he is not seeking re-election.

    Who wants to take a bet he is getting paid for it?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago

    He is getting paid. Not only has the Motion Picture Association contributed to political campaigns but it very recently gave awards and money to two politicians that promote their interests

    For specifics on donations see: https://myreptracker.com/campaign-finance/committees/C00139519/motion-picture-association-inc-political-action-committee-mpaamerica-pac

    In 2025, the MPA gave Chris Coons its Industry Champion Award and also honored Darrell Issa. MPA CEO Charles Rivkin described Coons as a “trusted partner” and praised Issa as a “true partner” on matters important to film and television.

    It’s very basic corruption in broad daylight, and it’s pretty common in US politics today. As far as I know, you can’t prove corruption in court without some form of wiretapping or paper trail, which is trivial for them to avoid. So they’ll never get in trouble for being absolute utter dog shit human beings.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago

    Ban the RIAA and MPAA.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    The Corrupt Empire of America at it again.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    My ISP wondering why I only ever access 5 servers in Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium and Finland

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    I think i2p may see a big uptick in usage then.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago
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