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[–] 51 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

Not really.

It's "Don't tread on ME" after all. Pigs don't tread on them, they just get warnings. They don't care if other people are tread on.

Also known as fascism.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Authoritarianism. It has no strong preference for left or right. Wherever there's a strong man. You will have the people that think the strong man protects them and serves them. Even as he serves himself. And the people who are being tread on.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    The concept of "authoritarianism" is gibberish, that's why it can be applied to the left and right. All states are authoritarian.

    Unless you're an anarchist, you're an authoritarian too. You just think your authority is legitimate and fair and righteous.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I haven't found an adequate explanation of how anarchism works to not be tinder for the fires of corruption and power consolidation.

    I get that these are diseases of all societies, but the institutional systems of a liberal democracy seems at least to slow the process down. Granted, we've not had a one that has lasted for a thousand years.

    So —seriously asking — how does anarchism work to last a thousand years?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Oh no, I'm not an anarchist. I'm a Marxist, I understand the state to be an organ by which one class represses another.

    That's why I'm saying "authoritarianism" is gibberish. There's no other way to organize complex society. For now.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I am an enemy of the state in general. All states. Authoritarianism 100% exists. Though I get it. You have a different taste in boots. Authoritarianism of course can't exist without the state. And the state once it's achieved a significant size inevitably Trends toward authoritarianism. But they aren't the same thing that's just silly. Though if you can explain how a governing state built on something like total/absolute consent is authoritarian/oppressive, I'm all ears.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    You're not making sense. If you are you the enemy of the state, why are you pretending that non-authoritarian states exist?

    They obviously don't. A state literally can't be built on total/absolute consent unless it's populated by the Borg. There will always be internal opposition that needs to be repressed by authority and coerced into obedience to maintain order. Hence, gibberish.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    That's not what authoritarianism is at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    It absolutely is: prisons, police, borders, it's all authoritarian. There can't be such a thing as a non-authoritarian state, because if there was it would be quickly overthrown by people willing to impose authority.

    I'll at least respect anarchists for being consistent. Anyone who pretends "not me tho I'm different" is a hypocrite.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    There can’t be such a thing as a non-authoritarian state, because if there was it would be quickly overthrown by people willing to impose authority.

    Ok, cool, and then what. Not sure what do you bring to the table here? Water is wet. Fork found in the kitchen.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I got a 1,000,000,000 bucks the dude has a Punisher sticker on the back of his truck too

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    "Please tread on everyone but me, daddy!"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    100% this.

    "Don't infringe on what I determine to be my rights; but abduct/kill anyone I determine to be an enemy"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Enemy in this case being determined as being anyone with brown skin, women, arbitrary list of people they don't particularly like, political adversaries, and anyone with an IQ greater than that of a sea pickle.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Capitalist libertarians have always truly been fascists. Their entire ideology is rooted in Social Darwinism.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    If there was a god or higher being, especially karma or universal reciprocity, the first people to die because of social Darwinism would be the ones propagating social Darwinism.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago*

    true

    in the horse shoe theory they populate the gap. all on their own between the commies and the nazis believing whatever toxic shit they like. ready to kill anyone that comes near them

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  • Also notice how the “government” is on top of the snake

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    They only do this because they’re too scared to fly a confederate or Nazi flag.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I knew an "anarcho-capitalist" who believed that cops should be the only service the state provides, to guarantee fair and free market competition or some bs like that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's always fun to ask these types difficult questions that they haven't thought about.

    So if somebody burns your house down in an arson attack and is subsequently arrested by the police, that's a job done is it, you are not requiring any additional support, compensation, or assistance. The fact that the miscreant has been arrested is good enough for you is it?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    The people I've talked to with that belief system typically hold that it's not specifically the police who should exist, but include the justice system to an extent.
    So they would have the courts force them to make it right to you, and end there.
    If you didn't have the ability to weather the calamity that's your fault for not having insurance or a fire department subscription.

    It's a stupid position, but I can at least get behind getting rid of a punitive justice system and focusing more on restoration. I just also like things like roads more than I'm offended by the abstract concept of theft via fiscal policy.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I'm tired of repeating myself, but Stockholm syndrome is pure Copaganda bullshit.

    ACAB

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    So.. Could someone explain to us non-americans?

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The top flag is the 'thin blue line' flag, which promotes the idea that police are the only thing standing between civilization and a murder-happy anarchist dystopia. You'll generally see this flag and ideology attached to right wing authoritarians.

    The lower flag is the Gadsden flag, which features a defensively positioned rattlesnake and the words, "Don't tread on me." It was originally a symbol of the colonial independence movement, but the Confederacy used it extensively during the civil war, causing association with the South. It eventually became associated with small government libertarian and anti-authoritarian types in later years, but never lost its association with the Confederacy. More recently, the Republican party started associating themselves with the Gadsden flag both due to their pro-deregulation stance, which they have tried to advertise as them being the party of small government, and as part of The Southern Strategy, an attempt to lure disenfranchised racist voters in the South. As the Republican party as moved further and further to the right, the Gadsden flag has sometimes been used as a neo-fascist symbol. There have been attempts to reappropriate it by anti-authoritarian and anti-fascist groups, however.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The rattlesnake flag is, in my opinion, a flag that had amazing symbolism for what it represented. A defensive rattlesnake gives plenty of warning, and when push comes to shove, will defend itself and its territory. Then, it got picked up by a group of people who act though and Brave, constantly threaten people, then run away or panic at the first sign of push back.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    No step on snake!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    This feels very Pennsylvania for some reason.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    To have cognitive dissonance there has to be some semblance of cognition. They can follow all these conflicting beliefs because there has been zero thought put in to it, literally zero. Nobody has forced them to engage their brain so it's an atrophied reactionary toddler level turd living between their ears.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    "I'm white, male, and Christian! Surely the police state isn't for me!"

    And don't call me "Shirley."

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    As someone who knows quite a few people like this, they are every bit as dumb as you think they are.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Non-nuanced explanation: Top flag - pro-cop. Bottom flag - libertarian, "anti-government". You can't be both.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    ...You can but only in a really shitty way.

    Which likely largely applies to the guy flying these flags.

    Blue Line flag: "Authority should tread on THEM" Gasden flag: "Authority should respect ME"

    I think Lindsay Ellis has a video that catalogs a lot of video of drunk conservatives who have behaved badly and are getting arrested, and their shock and horror that they do not get a free pass for being from the right "team".

    There absolutely is a large segment of our society that implicitly believes that they deserve rights and that others are 'too dangerous' and deserve harsh oppression.

    I think a lot of us further on the left forget that the concept of equal rights is fairly new to our species, and that humans will readily absorb 'rules for thee but not for me' - especially when it's encouraged by 24/7 propaganda outlets that we can't stand to watch.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I think a lot of us further on the left forget that the concept of equal rights is fairly new to our species

    With the fucked up part being large sections of the right believe that if someone else starts getting more rights (that they themselves already have) it means they now have fewer rights because they're being taken away.

    When in fact, they still have more rights than the other group, they just don't have as many more as they used to

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Same thing applies to finances a lot as well "I don't want a burger flipper making $15! I only make $16 and I'm a (other job)!"

    Like yes, but that means you're both being underpaid. Them getting paid enough to live doesn't mean you get paid less, if you feel your skill deserves more money, then fight for that money, don't hold other people down to keep your frail sense of superiority alive.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Sure, I suppose I can make an attempt...

    In modern internet culture, it's an overwhelmingly common[^1] practice to mentally classify things with as few labels as possible (ideally just one label), ignoring the possibility of misclassification or nuance.

    Applying that practice to the flags in the photo, the meme author likely[^4] mentally classified each flag like this:

    • Thin Blue Line flag = Pro-authority
    • Gadsden flag = Anti-authority

    Because the possibilities of misclassification and nuance are ignored, we can assume that these labels are correct.

    Because the labels are correct, we can assume that it is actually the owner of the flags who is confused – not the meme author, nor us beholders/doomscrollers with whom the meme resonates.

    Thanks to the logic of our "chain of assumptions"[^2] being correct, we can feel validated because our team wins again, and their team loses again[^3]. We are drawn to this feeling. We are more likely to upvote things that make us feel this.

    This sort of mindset is not only socially acceptable, it is strongly encouraged[^1].


    Footnotes

    [^1]: Example: This post has 640 upvotes and 5 downvotes. (By the way: Those 5 down-voters are alt-right, Trump-supporting, boot-licking, racist, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, misogynistic, fascist nazis[^4][^3].)

    [^2]: There might be an actual name for this. I'm just making this name up without bothering to research because I assume that most readers won't care.

    [^3]: Warning: If you are wondering, "How?": Stop. It is socially unacceptable to ask this. It can only mean that you disagree[^4], and you risk being shunned and classified/labeled accordingly.

    [^4]: This is considered correct because the possibilities of misclassification or nuance are safely ignored.[^3]

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I downvoted it because I don't like when people misuse or overuse the phrase "cognitive dissonance".

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    🤔 I was probably supposed to use one of those "/s" things somewhere, but not quite sure where it would fit.

    I have no idea who the downvoters are, or what they believe in. I assumed that was obvious, and acknowledging that would have worked against the joke/example/theme/etc. of the rest of the post.

    The entire thing is just an observation and sort of a "caricature"-style example/demonstration from the perspective of a guy who has never been much of a social media user. My social media skills are far below average. I should probably improve on that since I've been visiting Lemmy a lot more lately.

    Anyway, just imagine an "/s", "jk", etc. wherever it makes sense. I mean no harm to anyone.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    It's only cognitive dissonance until you remember that police obeys whoever has money, just the way libertarians and ancaps love

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    That almost feels like one of my neighbors, barren trees of winter, but it's probably Michigan or something. There's so many like this, it's disgusting.

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    I saw a "don't tread on me" license plate but the snake was covered by a police department sticker 😭

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    It's the gubment that's evil, and the police protect us from the leftists.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    ITT - a lot of people making things up. The flag combo is funny and nationalist pilled.

    Contradictions to be found.

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