Eneloops would only last about 3 weeks. And disposable last 2 months. This door is used a lot and since it has Zwave and a door open sensor it sends info on every open.

Bonus, since it can handle the lipo AA batteries that put out 1.8v and it gives the motor more oomph I made the battery pack give 7.2v and it never sticks anymore.

This is a garage-door so its not critical access but is used a lot.

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[–] 39 points 1 month ago (7 children)

KmAhs

Mfer do you mean Ahs?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 31 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Hey I haven't used this model specifically but a PSA to anyone with a motorized lock:

    If your battery is dying seemingly too fast (and it's not an old battery), your deadbolt is probably misaligned. The friction takes a huge toll on the motor and battery life. They should last MONTHS at minimum.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    and it's not just vertical alignment, but horizontal too!

    the problem with mine was that the weather stripping was pushing the door inwards, not that the hinges needed adjustment. had to move the latch plate inwards / file clearance into it so the deadbolt would catch where the knob latch let the door sit

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Great point. The deadbolt should move with no external Resistance.

    Sound is a good indicator. The motor doesn't just "get bad" over time like that unless it's struggling so if it's louder than when you got it, reassess the installation

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    This is why I haven't replaced mine. There's no real "fixing" this door. It needs to be replaced. That being said if you shoulder check it hard enough it will break open. Ah the fun of inheriting a house that sat vacant for 3 years and had no maintenance for longer than that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I take it the frame is busted? If not you might be able to just adjust the hinges. I was amazed when I learned how many door problems can be fixed by shimming and carefully smacking the hinges

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The frame is rotting. Thank fuck we have a roof over it because you can see through it a bit. Well, you could before I temp fixed it with spray foam. Gotta get the roof leak fixed first then that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Oh the joys of homeownership lol

    Pretty sure my foundation is sinking and I'm just not prepared to deal with it. Hopefully it holds for another year

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    We just discovered a wide ass step crack in ours. Did I mention ive been jobless since April? 🤣😭😭😭 I just accepted a job offer thank god but the on boarding process is loooong

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    Well done, and I’m surprised at all the technophobes in a 3d printing community.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I mean, there has always been a correlation between being technical (as in profession/skills) and being paranoid about technology. When you are in the field, you get a window into how ignorant most of the tech products are security-wise for example. And I guess a good portion of 3d printing people - especially the ones on lemmy - are technical (as in profession/skills), not/not only tech lovers.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Considering a lock is pickable in a few seconds, what’s the security risk? A lot of these locks even dont have keys, so you’re removing a very easy and common vulnerability.

    When you are in the field, you get a window into how ignorant most of the tech products are security-wise for example

    Most people just don’t actually think for themselves is the issue. Regular deadbolts aren’t secure themselves already.

    Also, if the door is locked, they just break a window or kick a door in. A deadbolt isn’t a good way to secure you house regardless, you need reinforced doors and frames too. So without all these extras, what risk is an electronic deadbolt above a regular one?

    Can’t have your keys stolen and your house just walked in either, so that’s MULTIPLE security avenues fixed with an electronic lock.

    And very few people are going to be capable of hacking these compared to older and easier methods as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I don't want to argue against what you are saying, it might very well be true, but my comment is about tech people being "paranoid" about tech due to experience. (At least in my country) people are familiar with a few very good quality traditional lock brands that are harder to pick, and that's all you need, criminals don't just go around kicking in doors and windows here. Threat model is the keyword I guess. But I'm not naive, the same will be true for consumer grade electronic locks at some point, the good quality, proven brands will be common knowledge sooner or later I guess and outweight the paranoia.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    So long as it has a physical backup and can stay on my network I'm happy. I also need low power draw to stay bellow my 20w idle power budget but that's a me problem.

    If anyone has a vertically mounted stainless steel option with a keypad to recommend I'm all ears!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    That would be all 12v devices that run 24/7. So without the fridge compressor, water desalinator, 120v cooking appliances (when I have a surplus of solar and don't use propane) and the hot water tank (although during the winter I heat water using a 4w pump and heat exchanger on my wood stove). I guess my work laptop isn't included in there but I do my computing on a VPS since anything but a low power laptop puts a noticeable drain on my power reserves.

    I run off 660w of solar so that's why I'm so limited. Network runs off a portable open-wrt router plus a LTE hotspot (5G sucks at sea level in my experience) and most smart things are done on my Victron Cerbo GX.

    During the summer I generate about 53kW/month and use about 74kW/month. The difference comes from a small generator and the times I run my diesel engine to get around and the 70A alternator charges the batteries.

    So my average is ~100w all in.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    At this point I’m quite heavily invested in smart home tech, but smart locks are one of the few things I haven’t touched.

    Any exploit found in these devices could be packaged into a smartphone app and easily accessed by anyone. Someone hacking the lock that way would look no different to a legitimate user. Firmware updates for these devices seem sporadic at best.

    It’s a security concern I don’t want to have to worry about, even if there are convenience benefits.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    Any exploit found in these devices could be packaged into a smartphone app and easily accessed by anyone.

    Anyone can also buy lockpicks, break a window, kick the door down, my electronic lock isn’t even Bluetooth or use a phone app, so that’s not even a possibility with the majority of them.

    Hacking it would require technology and skills not everyone has, there’s easier ways to get in your house than to hack it. If that’s your worry, than you better not use your deadbolt at all. It can be picked in seconds.

    Unless you’ve got a reinforced door and frame, a deadbolt isn’t stopping anyone from getting in.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (10 children)

    Sometimes IOT devices don't make rational sense to install. This is up there with "smart" lightbulbs in terms of creating a vulnerability through convenience.

    When I 3d print a plastic phone mount for my bike, that doesn't make the base bike any easier to steal. This does make your house less secure, even though it adds utility.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Do you now know how incredibly easy it is to pick a lock?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yes. Being a script kiddie is still much easier.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    …. Than you have absolutely zero concept about how easy it is to break into a regular deadbolt. Being a script kiddie or coding is not essier. Using a bump key requires zero skill.

    Think of this of more like putting a smart system on a cable bike lock. Do they need to hack it? When you can do it faster and quieter with cable cutters anyways. And that requires zero skill and a cheap $15 tool vs an expensive phone. Vagrants aren’t known for being technical and owning phones or other technology. So with yours it’s only specific people who could do it, vs anyone.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    Lockpicking a door is so fucking easy that the biggest vulnerability here is the lock itself probably, you need way more skills to hack the electronic part than to lockpick the lock

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Downloading an RFID/NFC spoofer app and loading a script from github?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    RFID is something you will not hack with a phone app and anyway you need to know what values the RFID/NFC reader on the other side wants and that's if the the lock has NFC or RFID technologies and not something else

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Creating programmable cards is exactly what we did at uni using an android app and a peripheral lol

    (Including getting into utility rooms back when the security was an afterthought)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yes but did you made an NFC or an RFID? As much as i know, most phones have only partial(eg: only reading) or no support to RFID

    And again, you'd need to know what the reader on the door want, you cannot just give it any random data and hope it works, i could accept only an encoded password in SHA-256 and you would not be able to do much really, there are probably ways to break thru but at that point is faster and easier to lockpick the door

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Only cheap ass locks use unprotected NFC/RFID. Like your debit card also uses NFC. Can you clone a debit card or make a payment with a spoofer app? no you can’t. Just because it’s NFC doesn’t mean you can just spoof it with a Flipper Zero. If the NFC is protected with cryptographic authentication than that is impossible.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Have you tried puttting in a wired power supply instead?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Why not a cable for power? Does the door need to be able to go somewhere that doesn't have electricity?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Idk how they are built but i'd guess any power outtage would lock you out right?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    So the same as a battery running out?

    Pass through charging is also a thing, so the 10Ah battery can charge when mains is up and then continue during a power cut.

    In my experience some may need to be reset to start charging. Depends on what you have though. Either way give it a test first.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    May be an access issue. Enough distance and running a cable becomes a pain in the ass in a way that can make this more appealing. It's why I don't have an Ethernet cable in one room of my house; I'd have to climb either across the attic, or in the crawlspace, and neither are gonna happen voluntarily. So I deal with a crappy wifi dongle for the ancient PC in that room instead.

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    [–] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Rechargeable Eneloops are Ni-Mh which makes the nominal voltage 1.2V where as the voltage on an Alkaline battery is 1.5V. The rechargeable ones are worse than normal Alkaline batteries. You can get rechargeable 1.5V Lithium AA batteries from Nitecore. Those are much better than Ni-Mhs.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The only issue with the rechargeable lithium batteries is that their voltage curve is extremely sharp, so they hold the 1.5v right up until they die.

    Depending on how the electronics and battery match up, your deadbolt might not be able to warn you about a low battery condition, which might mean you get locked out. I currently have two doors, both with a keypad entry, so it's extremely unlikely they'll both be dead at the same time. If you only have one keypad entry, then you should probably avoid using lithium rechargeable AA's.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    fyi there are some Lithium rechargeables that have a "low voltage" indicator, where they drop from 1.5v to around 1.1v when low so that it'll set off any low charge circuit

    brand I found is XTAR, but I'm sure there's others

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Just my 2c but I have 15 year old Eneloops still going. They do have a lower voltage output which isn't good for certain applications, but they are great for kids toys, remotes, flashlights/headlamps in my experience. Of the probably 60-70 I've bought, the only failures I've had are with the Pros, don't waste money on those. I'll have to check out Nitecore though.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Rechargeable li-ion batteries are the game changer for me.

    All the fancy expensive rechargeable including Eneloop would have a 30+% failure rate every recharge cycle and I wasted so much money. I have 16 li-ion AAs that I rotate including in my door locks and they have gone through multiple recharge cycles with no failures.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    If your Eneloops are failing that much, they are either being over discharged or something is wrong with your charger.

    All of my Eneloops have been much more reliable than lithium ion batteries.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I may be the unluckiest person in the world, but I've bought expensive official Eneloops multiple times and used multiple chargers and just gave up. Sure, it may be because I'm doing something wrong, but I certainly couldn't figure out what that may be.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    30+% failure rate every recharge cycle

    What is considered a "failure" in this context?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    The battery no longer recharges and is effectively trash.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    That's just terrible to hear. My oldest Eneloops are going on a decade with no failures, but I also had fairly good luck when I used to buy cheaper rechargeables. The common thing might be only using slow chargers.

    Nobody else has brought this up, but I've read that counterfeit Eneloops are a thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I had a similar failure rate then changed my charger and haven't had a battery fail since. My original charger was Energiser branded, which is the most common battery where I live so I thought it had to be fine. I replaced it with an eneloop BQ-CC55. I don't love it - it's a fast charger and it makes batteries uncomfortably hot, but it was able to charge batteries to full health that both my energiser and trickle charger thought were dead dead. That includes energiser batteries!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Thanks for the recommendation. If somehow my li-ion batteries die, I may try again (I couldn't make myself throw out the Eneloops after spending so much, even if they wouldn't charge, so who knows...).

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago* (10 children)

    I am confused, is this not possible to wire properly to a power supply? even though this has increased capacity it would still always be in the back of my head that my door might run out of power 🤔

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago* (7 children)

    This did make me realize I've never seen a deadbolt reversed. As in the door having just a metal framed hole, and the bolt come out of the frame. Seems like the easiest way you would be able to run power to it. (Maybe not the most structurally sound, probably depends on the door material)

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    I don't know. I think that if you built the receptacle right, It could probably work pretty well... Most deadbolts are pretty shit in general (rare to see people reinforce the jamb), so, even an naive attempt probably wouldn't be that much worse. For a metal door with a chunky insert, I think it would work fine. For any other kind of door, I think you'd probably need at least a frame or large plate to distribute the loads, but it's still probably wouldn't be much worse than a conventional configuration. Huh...

    I guess the main complexity (or just oddity) would be the keyhole wouldn't be on the door.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago*

    Why did you mount two hydraulic pistons with holes drilled through the door frame to have double deadbolts going into a solid wood door with metal framed slots? Because I was bored and wanted to make hole in the wall and overcomplicate something that can be bypassed by opening the windows I leave open 5 feet away. Lol

    Yeah, I guess I'll add that to the reasons I could never be rich.. id do way to many stupid things for my own amusement.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 month ago

    I could, I actually have a outlet near that I could just run the wire to the battery pack to keep it charged and so the battery would just be a UPS. Actually a good idea and I could have just used 2 18650s for the UPS.

    Although this model has a external port to jump start from a USB battery pack.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    rechargeable AA suck.

    No they don't

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    They do ... 1.2v output is low compared to the 1.5v alkaline .. they lose charge as they sit there doing nothing unless Enerloop which is expensive and still 1.2v - I recently converted the wife's led candles (2 x AA) each to 2 18650 each and now I don't have to charge the things for 15 or so weeks. This guy knows.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The internal resistance is much lower than that of an alkaline, so for some applications, a 1.2V NiMH will match or beat a 1.5V alkaline, but if you really need the extra 0.3V, then they're really pants.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    1.2v

    The range is actually 1.4-0.9v with drop only at the end of the discharge cycle. Much better than regular AA that drops voltage proportionally to the discharge level. Also more amps than alkaline and no leakage.

    Self discharge is a thing and putting it in clock or led candle is just doing it wrong. Use alkaline for these use cases.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Oof. My Yale has a hub and the AAs last 9-12months.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Which lock are you using?

    Been looking at Schlage for a nice local only Zwave / ZigBee lock but I've seen a few recent reviews saying how their quality went down the drain. How the PCB is corroding from just moisture in the air... So I'm open to recommendations.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    The pedantic ludites on lemmy baffle me.

    Cool thingy my dude

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