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[–] 175 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Nice. There's just a FOSS alternative for almost everything these days. I get 80% of my apps from F-Droid.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    The only non foss apps that I use are banking apps and whatsapp (forced to use it...). Everything else is foss.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Look at Beeper as a alternative, let's you bridge your WhatsApp chats.

    https://www.beeper.com/

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The only way you should trust anything bridging is if you self host it.

    Matrix with WhatsApp bridge is the only way to properly use that.

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  • For many people it's literally impossible to self host anything, whether it's because of lack of decent hardware resources, and/or because of a lack of technical knowledge, and/or because of a lack of time, and/or because of a lack of energetic stability, and/or because of a lack of monetary resources, and/or because of a lack of mental and/or physical energy, and/or because of a lack of someone with some or any of these; and of course, all of these things can be and in fact are intersectional with each other.

    So that's why any managed alternative it's still a good alternative for these people; obviously, only if they're as transparent and reliable as humanly possible.

    I myself only do use Disroot's (and maybe Nadeko and a bit others) services because I don't have the hardware, the money, the energy and the enviromental resources to be able to properly self host, and even more, I only use the free tiers of these services.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't take advantage of Beeper nearly as much as I should, I saw that they give you a Matrix handle when you sign up which I think is cool.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    They give you a Matrix handle because everything is Matrix. The problem is Beeper is nothing to do with Beeper but exactly the kind of thing we saw with Apple: malice. They don't want you to use their apps this way, and for that reason, it just sucks to use. Plus you're lowering the privacy of whatever platform you're using to that of Matrix.

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  • [–] 217 points 1 month ago (26 children)

    https://keepandroidopen.org/

    Google says "power users" can "still install" unverified apps. Here's what that actually looks like:

    Delve into System Settings, find About Phone

    Tap the build number seven times to enable Developer Mode

    Dismiss scare screens about coercion

    Enter your PIN

    Restart the device

    Wait 24 hours

    Come back, dismiss more scare screens

    Pick "allow temporarily" (7 days) or "allow indefinitely"

    Confirm, again, that you understand "the risks"

    Nine steps. A mandatory 24-hour cooling-off period. For installing software on a device you own.

    Worse: this flow runs entirely through Google Play Services, not the Android OS. Google can change it, tighten it, or kill it at any time, with no OS update required and no consent needed.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Worse - that 24 hour timer? You only have a short window of time once it finishes to continue, otherwise you have to wait another 24 hours.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It won't be a problem on a de-googled phone. Get it running LineageOS or GrapheneOS. Then install F-Droid (and probably Aurora store too). Some Google junk won't work, but you'll soon be more limited by having Google services on your phone than not having it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Hardly the point though. For us this is a bother at most, but we can cope because we're already doing our own thing and know what we want. Imagine trying to get your non tech-savvy friends to "sideload" (install) an app from outside the Play Store. Right now it's not a big deal, so if they're interested in the app, they'll likely install it. But this amount of friction and scary warnings is way more likely to stop them.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    The worst part is for non tech savvy people.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Non-tech savvy people don't even care, don't even think about this, and don't know anything about it.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    No, some of they do care, but just have problems learning tech stuff or were excluded from digital education at the critical age, or have in general learning difficulties.

    My mom wants to still be able to install and uninstall anything she wants on her phone, but she's elder (and is neurodivergent, too, as me) and has difficulties understanding and learning about tech stuff.

    You're making a hasty generalization based on just a composition fallacy (some non tech savvy people don't care at all, yes, but those are not all of the non tech savvy people).

    You shouldn't be conflating both things as if it were the same, and even if they were the same (which they're NOT), that wouldn't make your comment less bad. They're still victims of the Big Tech propaganda and marketing and of their massive social, cultural and political influence campaigns.

    Please, don't be such a dickhead.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Show me one non-tech savvy person that is installing anything that isn't in the Android Play Store already. And that person has to have come up with this on their own and it wasn't somebody like you who maybe tech savvy showing them how to do this I've been in IT for 21 years and I can guarantee no one is doing that.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    A non tech-savvy person may not be aware of the extent of digital surveillance and the rights they give up on their data unless someone who is aware tells them about it.

    Even after becoming aware - the inconvenience of switching to something else forces them to stay in that ecosystem unless someone helps them out of it. Many of them care enough to want to stop or limit their exposure to big tech, but without someone tech savvy to help they won't know where to start.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    And that person has to have come up with this on their own

    Why is this a requirement?

    Plenty of people who would use privacy-respecting, free software that a tech-savvy friend likes and uses will now have to go through this process and probably decide it isn't worth it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    This is why rooting is great and if you re worried about banking apps, KernelSU is very good at blocking detection and keyboxs for the hardware attestation get leaked weekly.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    i hadnt thought about it before but i just had the realization that im not even gonna be able to have 3rd party apps AND my banking app in the same phone (cuz it doesnt like developer options being enabled). uhm shit

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    I unlocked my phone's bootloader. I'm on the oem OS, up to date, no root, just unlocked the bootloader. Now my device is "not certified" and a lot of apps that have no business caring about my "certification status" don't work (like my phone operator app). That's if the playstore lets me download it in the first place: "this app is not compatible with your device"

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago

    Been using it since the alpha came out, absolutely love what they've done with the app. The installation flow is much smoother with the instant prompt for confirmation, the more granular categories and improved search make browsing so much better. I tried other stores before, but I couldn't get myself to like any of the actively maintained ones, v2.0 is good for me.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 month ago

    Almost exclusively use F-Droid. Great news!

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Can anyone ELI5 for the nontechy how things are going to work once Google rolls out the new bullshit? I'm seeing so many of my apps put out notices that they will no longer work once Google goes through with the verification system. Will I still be able to install shit through f droid?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Will I still be able to install shit through f droid?

    yeah, with extra hoops the first time though (24 hr wait etc etc)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    I already have developer options turned on, are they gonna fuck me out of that again? :/

    I really hate this shit

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    I really hate this shit

    If you have Play Services running, Google owns your phone (and also tracks you, and sucks 50% of the juice for it). Just rip 'em out.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I genuinely don't know that I'm techy enough to do that. I depend on banking apps and such and I don't understand how to get around that. I would, if I could be taught lol

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Look at Universal Andriod Debloater. Makes it very easy to remove whatever you want.

    Your banking apps may not work if you remove Google Play services but i've found i can just log in through the browser instead.

    Not as convenient but it feels good knowing Google can't have any of your data.

    Let me know if you have any questions about UAD!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Can you restore them if it breaks things too much? My bank requires 2FA through an app for any money transfers, and I assume it needs them but I'm not sure.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    Ya there's going to be wait periods to turn on developer options, and it sucks cause some apps don't work with developer options turned on, like banking apps for example.

    This whole thing sucks, imagine on your laptop not being able to install software and only being locked to getting everything through the Microsoft Store App.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    the problem here isnt that users cant do what they want, its that developers might stop developing because not enough people cant be arsed to jump through googles hoops. Everyone who can should support opensource developers more than ever now.

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  • [–] 73 points 1 month ago (27 children)

    Isn't everybody using Droid-ify anyway?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (6 children)
  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Does Neo Store have a way to make apps only use the official F-Droid repo for updates unless you downloaded them from a different one? Because it seems to just want to update from any repo, so I ended up splitting F-Droid Basic for official F-Droid apps and Neo Store for IzzyOnDroid and other third party repos.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yeah, if you manually select it in the app releases section. Of course, the thing is that it's only per app.

    Anyways, I prefer IzzyOnDroid because imho they have a better reproducible builds system.

    Neo Store also allows you to review the reproducible builds' status for every app, and also its download statistics (total and per repo).

    Also you can now maintain a local blocklist of apps you don't want or like to see. It's pretty neat.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    F-Droid has stricter requirements for apps to be listed so I prefer the official repo, for instance Aves on IzzyOnDroid has Google dependencies that Aves Libre on F-Droid doesn't have. IzzyOnDroid is my backup for some apps I want that aren't on F-Droid.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I just use Neo Store. The best F-Droid client ever.

    Change my mind.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)
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    Download statistics for every app (which is neat because that can indirectly tell me how good is an app), also it shows the reproducible builds' status for every app, allows you to directly scan an app through Exodus so you can have a detailed view of its possible trackers, also it lets you blocklist apps (althought I'd love it to let me blocklist authors too, and the UX is a bit slow for now as it requires you to go throught the settings to be able to do it), the y have a reasonably big amount of preconfigured repos and make the process of adding new repos way easier than other clients, their UI is just beautiful and now they made it hugely customizable, and they have so many QOL features that's a breeze to use.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Remove: Exodus report service (API access revoked)

    This is in the latest version.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    What, I still have it and I'm in the latest version

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago

    When you find an app, F-Droid 2.0 will make the installation process easier. Google has long put up roadblocks for sideloaded apps, citing the security implications. This is also the rationale behind its upcoming developer verification system. For now at least, apps will be easier to install from F-Droid thanks to the use of Google’s pre-approval API.

    That answers my question if those smoother installs already account for Google's insistence in making "sideloading" way more annoying. They do not.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago*

    I've been on neo store for a couple of years for the apps that have no APIs ready in git repos (for those, Obtainium is just the greatest). I tried the new F-Droid app, and it is way smoother than the last time I tried it, and the UI improvement is amazing. They still show you apps that haven't been maintained for over a year up front, but that's not a deal killer.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Now it will take them another decade to update apk on their website to the newest version.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I've only started using F-Droid recently, but it's UI is a clusterfuck. I welcome an overhaul.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    It has indeed gotten better more pleasing to look at.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    The new ui is excellent, much more approachable in my opinion

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Still not as good as Neo Store or droid-ify.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Wow. I was not expecting that big of a UI change upon updating F-Droid. It looks modern, I like it a lot!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    So F-droid "evolves" to become F-droid Basic?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    well ... i'll stick with droidify

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago*

    I have been using droidify for some time now since the updates and install part has always been a bit weird and the notifications too. Hope it is better now. Not super happy with my current option either.

    What I really want is a way to use it properly on the TV, because all the current store apps are so, but so so bad and horrible in a screen controlled with a remote control that is almost a joke.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    This kind of news always terrifies me. Will see though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Hopefully now updates will go much smoother. I like the new design!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Saw the post after I had an update on my e/OS and wanted ti check out the new look.

    Sadly not one APP showed up. Empty shell. FDroid blank.

    24 hours? Will check it tomorrow. Edit: solved itself, see next comment.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    You can opt out of it by putting your phone in "developer mode" or by using something like LineageOS

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    I was thinking about rooting my phone to install LineageOS, but unfortunately, that plan won’t be possible because I don’t really understand how to do it, and I don’t have a computer or another phone to help me.

    The only thing I’ve done so far is disable Google Play services, and I’m using a few microG apps instead. :/

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    LineageOS is great I am using it right now, however do keep in mind that you do not need to root your phone in order to install LineageOS.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    What:0

    But you don't need to unlock the bootloader to install LineageOS.

    Half of the videos I watched on YouTube said that it was necessary to format the phone or do several other things to unlock it. I was already getting confused with so much information.

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