Language is always changing. At one point 'an apron' was 'a napron' while words like 'literally' are no longer literally literal. What are some language battles that have been lost in living memory and what are some others you predict will soon occur?

Edit: Non-english examples very welcome!

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[–] 39 points 1 month ago (7 children)

“Decimating” no longer means killing ten percent as the Romans did; now it is used to mean the killing of a majority, so it’s close to the opposite of its original meaning.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The meaning is derived from the brutality of the act, not the proportion of people killed.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    You're being downvoted, but I suspect you're actually correct. A note about the act of decimation: it wasn't just killing every tenth soldier. It was that the other nine soldiers were forced to kill the tenth. It was an absolutely brutal act where soldiers were forced to kill their friends and comrades.

    It makes sense that saying an act is as brutal as decimation would then come to replace the word itself over time. That happens pretty frequently in language evolution.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    We were always supposed to put punctuation inside quotation marks; however, now it seems to be the user's choice of inside or outside. And I have to admit that most of the time when I’m using quotes, it seems more logical to me to place the punctuation outside of them.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, I still feel like I'm supposed to, but frequently I think it makes more sense to pull it outside if it isn't part of the quote. Putting it in the quotation makes it seem like it's associated with the quotation, when it may not be.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    We were always supposed to put punctuation inside quotation marks;

    Isn't this a US English thing? In India we were taught to close them like brackets - i.e., the one that opened last closes first. So

    'Don't wait. I will come later.'

    But

    He said 'I will come later'.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Loose and lose might as well be the same word these days. Drives me up a damn wall.

    That and "POV" doesn't mean what it used to mean anymore. Also drives me up a wall.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    What…what does POV mean now??

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago* (11 children)

    Australian English language is now largely Americanised, a process that started in the post-war era is now mostly complete.

    • Terms such as 'gaol' have been widely replaced by 'jail'.
    • 'Programme' is mostly replaced by 'program'.
    • A 'car bonnet' is likely to be called a 'hood'.
    • 'Play lunch' is mostly replaced with 'recess'.
    • 'Pusher' is mostly called a 'pram'
    • 'Lacker band' is now mostly just 'rubber band'.
    • 'Boomer' no longer means kangaroo, but instead 'Old person.'

    I'm not really bothered by it or anything, but it's been interesting to see it shift even over my lifetime.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Y’all still got dual carriageways over there?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Is that an Australian-ism? I don't remember it ever coming up in conversation with my American or British friends.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Literally is still understood, it just gets misused.

    Going in a bit of a different direction, emojis and things like /s are well understood now, which is an addition.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    I wonder if some day in the future emojis will make their way from casual conversation into business? I guess I already use things like 👍 in semi formal work chats - it's especially useful as a way of ensuring a message isn't read sarcastically or passive aggressively. LLMs seem more than happy to plop an emoji or two into a document.

    Speaking of AI I'm already noticing that poor spelling, slang and the like are almost signifiers of a human. I wonder if ways of talking that distinguish us from AI will become more common or more valuable?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    In my country, a lot of my peers (me too) use stickers (the cute ones) in in-company-chats usually with people we know like colleagues and managers

    So I assume emojis are also done?

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Actually, when I think about it. I rarely see people complaining about emojis at work. Ironically if there's one place that people hate emojis it's Reddit or Lemmy 😅.

    Do you speak another language than English? I'd be fascinated to know if similar language battles are happening in other languages.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Yes! Well, I am from India, so... I speak multiple languages with people who are comfortable in their own and yes, there is a lot of language battles in India too, especially Search up Hindi Imposition if you're interested.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I still feel like that one is a flavour-of-the-month adjustment - “literally” as an intensifier is already being replaced by “lowkey”, “deadass” etc..

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    "begging the question". it's not the same as "bringing up a question", it means assuming your conclusion is true in the course of an argument

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    To be fair, that original meaning is illogical (as in, the meaning doesn't follow from the literal words used), so it's not surprising that people misused it to have a more logical meaning.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    From my perspective, literally being used for emphasis does not actually change its meaning, it’s simply hyperbole.

    If you complain that you’ve been “waiting for hours”, even though it’s been 45 minutes, that doesn’t change the meaning of “hours”, you’re just exaggerating.

    Hyperbole is a stylistic element; style is a completely different level of language than grammar/spelling/semantics (word meanings). As another example of style, ending a sentence with a preposition is grammatically correct but stylistically not recommended.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    I agree, but there was a period in the '00s, or maybe early '10s, where the meaning was changing because you only ever saw it mean "figuratively", to the point where dictionaries included both meanings. I think it's settled back to its original meaning now though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    The OED actually includes the definition of literally as being what used to be the opposite of its definition nowadays, so I think that it does count as an auto-antonym (a word that means both itself, and the opposite of itself)

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I suppose the word "boomer" has changed meaning very quickly. It rarely gets used anymore to refer to actual boomers (people born just after WW2) and instead now can refer either vaguely to anyone older than 30, or anyone with an antiquated/problematic notion of social norms.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    I miss double spaces after periods.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    We were taught single space in the mid 90s, so that can't be too recent.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    We…don’t do this anymore? I can’t even recall what I’ve been doing for this for the last 20 years.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Autocorrect on Microsoft products turns double-space into single space by default. Gotta turn that shit of every time, it’s very frustrating.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Don't do that unless it's a monotype font, please.

    Sincerely, typesetters everywhere.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Why not? I want to have more white space between my sentences than I do between words in the same sentence. I’m writing emails, business crap, and Lemmy posts; nothing that’s going to see any love from a typesetter. Is there some more appropriate way to get what I want than hitting the spacebar twice between sentences?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Well it's okay to break rules, right? So long as you understand how and why.

    Your version of readability skews from the norm established over centuries. Fine! Just don't expect the rules to bend to you.

    Readability for author and reader vary. Whose reading comprehension is more important? Your call.

    In some cases, it might be appropriate to break paragraph convention and isolate important sentences.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Print publishing has 500 years of convention built on trial and error.

    As a person who learned to type on a typewriter, and then became a typesetter and publisher, and now does a lot of editing, double spaces are only of use in a monospace type face where there is no kerning possible.

    Otherwise, type with variable spaces between the letters plus variable letter sizes is physically harder to read when there are extra gaps between the sentences, despite the way you were trained (by boomers, probably) to type.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    In pre-secondary education I was taught to double-space, but post I was told to single IIRC. I prefer single personally.

    Interestingly, typing two spaces on my phone is replaced by a period and a single space. It's like a vestigial mechanic from that practice. It's aware of the context of what a double space was used for, but it serves a totally different purpose to not have to type a period.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Pour one out for the Oxford Comma .

    Let's eat Grandma

    Commas save lives!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The rich couple, me and ScarJo donated ten thousand dollars to a local charity school.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    People no longer double-space after sentences.  No one cares that further compares metaphorical distance and farther compares physical distance.  Most people seem to think that joining two independent clauses with a comma (a comma splice) is just fine.  Things are now done on accident instead of by accident.  Compute used to be something you did; now, it's something you rent.  People seem to have given up on less being used for uncountable things and fewer for countable things.  Now they just use less for everything.  People these days are enamored 'by' something instead of with it (or of it, for our British friends).

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    “Casted”

    The past-tense of cast is cast. “The fisherman cast their line into the river.” “The actor was cast in the leading role.”

    Casted makes you sound like a child.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    also i fear that "comfort" is losing the battle to "comfortability"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Not exactly what you're asking, but double spaces after ends of sentences.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    People using then instead of than. I never saw that 30 years ago.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Ending sentences with propositions, and getting them jumbled around. My work does it in their advertisements and i cry every time.

    "See what classes you can register for." Or modifying it to be worse; "see what classes you can register for fast"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Ain't ain't a word.

    It is now.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Presently used to mean "soon" or "in a bit" but now means "happening right now"

    The meaning of bemused is similar to "befuddled", but it's more often used as if it means "amused"

    It used to be a firm rule that you mustn't end a sentence in a proposition.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    "Reticent" used to mean 'reluctance to speak', or, 'holding your tongue', but in the last decade I saw it being used more frequently as a straight up synonym for 'reluctance'. I wonder if people maybe think it's a more authoritative sounding word?

    It's not a change of convenience or cultural drift, just a sign of people reading less and subconsciously trying to hide it, I think.

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