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[–] 30 points 1 month ago (1 child)

I mean I would have had deep concerns, but there's no way it would have been worse than what we actually got.

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  • [–] 81 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Honestly, anything he would have made would have been better than the dumpster fire that was the sequel trilogy.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    Am I the only one on planet earth that sort of enjoys the prequel movies?

    You turn off your brain and ignore all the plot holes and silliness and cheesiness, just like any other Star Wars content, including the first movies.

    It's not that serious lol. It's not made to be that serious.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    Yeah, the films have really dropped off in quality, but I love the TV series and did enjoy the recent Mandalorian film. It didn't try to stray outside of its lane as a localized Star Wars story and a summer blockbuster.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    seems like this story changes every few years. back in the 90s it was "yeah I got 6 more" and then it was "no I don't have anything post Jedi" and then he says he does, and then he doesn't, or then the sequels are about Leia and then they're not.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    People don't remember their own history very well. Back then, he may have certainly had ideas floating around for more movies, but never considered them "real ideas"

    Over time those thoughts turned into real story plots in his head, and it's perfectly reasonable for him to remember them as being more fully thought out then they were.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    I think you're being a little generous here. He is all over the place over the years, and kind of just doesn't care. Whatever was the last version of it that flitted through his head was what he'd claim he always intended. Our friend George is also very much NOT a proponent of the death of the author.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    He had a bible he gave to Abrams, which was quickly tossed. Then Abrams boasted on his bible, even posting pictures of the old and new cast in a (supposedly) 3-pic story meeting; and then it turned out Abrams' bible didn't even exist (exposed by the reaction to Rian Johnson's turn).

    The sequels were more fun than the prequels, but they were stupid.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago
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    I'm bummed we never got Darth Darth Binks.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    I would happily trade everything Disney Star Wars in exchange for another Lucas trilogy.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I think Lucas really excelled when he was pushing against the limits of technology and budget and those limits really held him or n a sweet spot for story telling he would naturally push himself out of.

    Anything he makes now would be like the prequels.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Is that a bad thing? The prequels are great. Far better than anything Disney have released.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    If you read all the extended universe stuff that existed to explain the clone wars you would understand how bad the sequels are to a starwars project.

    It isn't any better than some of the tv failed projects like wheel of time, sword if truth, shannara, American gods.

    It's absolutely hollow after learning about the star wars lore through those characters.

    There are some great moments and people in the sequels. But as a whole they made star wars worse. Find and read the thrawn trilogy, or the rogue squadron books if you want a glimpse at what could have been.

    Considering Lucas took a lot of interest and veto over what stories were allowed to be published so that the world fit his idea instead of corrupting it, you just can't see the prequels or sequels as anything but terrible.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I’m not sure I agree with the proposition that the prequels are far better than the Disney movies.

    Phantom menace had some serious pacing and tone issues. The other two were better but I don’t j ow I’d say they are far better than Disney. They held to the cannon way more but that was its own weakness in the core plot which really kept them from being entirely interesting.

    I will say the Disney movies are much better paced than the prequels. Well that’s not true that one slow space chase with the side quest on planets was a major drag. The first Disney movie was better paced than the prequels.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Lucas is just as bad as Disney. Worse in some ways. It's a tough call.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Lucas is more than competent as a storyteller. He just needs someone else to do the directing.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    He had Indiana Jones LITERALLY ride off into the sunset at the end of the third movie. The most over the top cliche thing for a hero to do. And he dragged him back to make another one about aliens. >:(

    George couldn't write a good "fall from grace " story for Anakin cuz he was living his own.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That was Spielberg not George.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Not OP but while Spielberg directed Last Crusade, the film was written by Jeffrey Boam, George Lucas, and Menno Meyjes. Lucas clearly had a strong influence beyond just the writing as well, judging by things like the R2D2 hidden in the hieroglyphics in the first movie and the Club Obi Wan in the second.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I'm okay with that for Indiana Jones, because Indiana Jones is Cliche Adventure Man. There have been a lot of Cliche Adventures Man, and Indiana Jones is the Cliche Adventure Man with the highest production value. When Indiana Jones throws a mook off a rope bridge, the filming dummy has electrically powered flailing arms. He punches the bad guy and gets the girl in the end. It's great!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    Right, but George took that away from Indiana Jones. They had him ride off into the sunset, live happily ever after, but no. He was a bankable IP and they wanted more money, despite how it would ruin the ending they already gave to the character

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Lucky Luke rides off into the sunset in every movie. Doesn't mean that is the end of him.

    It signals the end of the movie, not the end of the character.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    You're saying someone can't end a character's story by LITERALLY having them ride off into the sunset? Kind of an odd rule.

    And if you think losing a hand and watching your friend get kidnapped is a happy ending akin to "riding off into the sunset" then you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of movies in general.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    And Spielberg has to reel in GL during Crystal Skull, yet even I thought I was on acid during that fucking movie

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    The problem with the Crystal Skull is Lucas was gung ho about making a '50s era sci-fi style movie and everyone else just wanted to have fun filming another adventure story with their friends. If they had just picked a lane either way, it would have been better.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    We know? This has been known since the 80's? Hello?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Not everyone was born before the 80's in order to experience this becoming a known fact... And if it's documented, not everyone will look shit like that up, because how would you know to look that up.

    Other people than yourself can know more, or know less, than you. A certain number of years after birth, most children learn this fact. 😜

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    And then we got knife map!!

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (32 children)

    OT is still the only thing worth watching imo. The rest is just gobblty gook.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    I agree but with the only exception being Rogue One. That one is pretty solid.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (16 children)

    yeah I've heard that, but then after suffering through the prequels, and even giving the new movies a chance, I had to hang it up. And I like the clone wars cartoons.

    But nah. For me it all goes up on the shelf. I have to evaluate it as a franchise and its just utterly incoherent and more "whyyyyyyy", over-explained, breaking the suspension of disbelief, rehashed, fan-service, panel tested, corpo-garbage.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Forget that it’s Star Wars. Watch Rogue One then Andor. I’m not really a SW fan, but this combo is legitimately great.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Watch Rogue One then Andor.

    What is it with Star Wars people always going backwards?

    Joking aside, Andor is absolutely one of the top series of all time, no matter the category. It is excellently done.

    Also, joking aside..... I liked Rogue One alright when it came out, but it's jarring to watch after Andor imho.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I can't fucking stand Andor, will never understand why such a terrible show gets praise. Gave up after the Heist Arc, which was nothing but a bunch of unlikable twats bitching that Cassian Andor wasn't one of the cool kids, then they do a long ass marching scene, then they all die. I should have liked their deaths because of how truly disgusting they were, but honestly I felt nothing.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Same. I never got past the first half of the season just because of how boring it was. Everything is slow and nothing happens.

    The ending could be amazing, but I am not going to bother if I have to claw myself to it. I got better shows to watch.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    I expected to get down voted into oblivion. Instead I find a kindred spirit. That's good.

    Andor did nothing but waste my time and the fanbase is incredibly toxic, unable to accept any criticism of the show without resorting to insults about how "Oh you can't pay attention without lightsaber fights."

    Nothing happens in this show. I really tried to pay attention but the dead air had me reaching for my phone.

    Just 30 plus minutes of people complaining about Andor being on their team and doing nothing to endear me to them. One of them wrote a book... woo...

    And on the episode with the heist actually happening, it opens with fifteen minutes of marching. No dialogue, nothing of note. Just marching. Why?

    And the show doesn't even seem to be made by someone who actually likes Star Wars. Why do they have realistic guns? Why are there dudes in military uniforms instead of Stormtroopers? Are they embarrassed by Star Wars imagery?

    Andor is a snoozefest that excells at wasting the audience's time. I wouldn't mind the talking scenes if people talked about anything of substance, but it's always Empire Bad. I get Empire Bad, it's the premise of the setting. I don't need to be reminded Empire Bad.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Other way around.

    Andor then R1

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I certainly understand the logic behind watching things chronologically. But, I believe watching them in release order is much better.

    Take, as an example,

    K-2SO (spoiler below)Doesn't it make it better you know who K-2SO is when watching Andor, and it's introduction in S02E08 of Andor hit that much harder already knowing the character?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    My friend told me to watch Rogue One but I didn't. Then he told me to watch Andor and I did. It was amazing. So I went ahead and watched Rogue One.

    If I had watched Rogue One first, I would absolutely not have watched Andor. It was.....ok. The pacing kind of sucked. Way too many characters and you hardly got to know them. Basically all the parts about Star Wars I didn't like but more serious.

    Andor is just a fantastic show in pretty much every way. You can forfet about the Star Wars connection entirety, you don't need any knowledge of the franchise going in. I highly recommend it to everyone

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Dude, Rogue One is SOOO good. Light years beyond the prequels and sequels. I like it better than Return of the Jedi. Jedi has so much silliness and kid stuff that's nowhere present in R1. R1's darkness feels like Empire.

    You won't be sorry.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    I would just say that if someone loves the OT and just wants more of that then R1 isn't going to make them happy. Honestly TFA is as close as you're going to get to "more OT but make it fresh". R1 is more like Star Wars through a completely different lens. Also digital Tarkin sucked. Had they just hired Charles Dance, the Tarkin scenes would've been 1000% better. That was as big a miss as not hiring Haley Joel Osmet for TPM.

    But if someone loves the Start Wars universe and just wants more interesting things within it, then R1 is the juice. It's recognizably Star Wars without being too familiar or a rehash of what has been done before.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Also digital Tarkin sucked.

    Your opinion.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Eh, even Return of the Jedi had strong signs of where he wanted to lead things. Toys, toys, toys.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but I think it holds up better than the others. A New Hope has some let's say.. moments.. that don't hold up. But like, I'll rewatch RoTG and it's still fun.

    Idk. If no new movies had been made, the OT would at least be in my top ten, top five even(?) for fun science fantasy.

    But the perpetual rehash makes it unable to get into my top 50. Maybe not even top 100. The more crap they produce the less I like it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    People look at the OT with such rose-colored glasses. There's so much of it that isn't great.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    People are hyper-critical of all movies/shows these days while also being media illiterate. Expecting a 100% cohesive plot, and pretending they're a critic because some Youtuber points out movie structure and plot devices.

    And no, seeing a plot device doesn't mean a movie or a show is bad. It just means you recognized a story telling narrative device.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah it's campy. But as long as it's not the sloppified version, it's fine. I don't mind films of that era.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    Even Lucas tweaking his films, was done for a reason. He was pioneering new technology, and was using his movies to showcase how that could be done. Some of it worked brilliantly, and other times it doesn't work as well.

    Even stuff like Mandalorian has this issue. The Volume is a great piece of technology to use for filmmaking. There are definitely guardrails for it, and it works better in some cases than others, but you don't know that until you actually use the tech.

    It's so fucking dumb people criticize things like that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I assume they would have been mostly trash, but then also the ones we got instead were mostly trash so I don't think it really matters? Maybe we would have got some memes out of it at least with Lucas?

    Andor was good though so I suppose we came out ahead overall.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    And sold his lives work to the devil and didn't even ensure the ingoing show finishes... Still cannot understand why he did it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I don't think Georgie would have accidentally told a story about how liberal democracy invariably creates the conditions for fascism though, or how even when the good guys beat the first wave it will do nothing to address the systemic flaws that created it, trapping the culture in a cycle of fascist attacks and ever consolidating wealth.

    Even with a mystical order of Zen knights that gets actual guidance from the collective consciousness of life itself making the process take a thousand generations instead of ten.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    He retired because of the fans and their entitled anger.

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