Rage Against the Machine but not like in a political way or anything, just like, noises and anger and centrism
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You'd have to be some kind of American Idiot to miss the messages.
The Message must have been lost on these people Born in the USA it's a shame that The Revolution Will not be Televised because it might make it more obvious, but That's Just the Way it is.
It ain't me I ain't no fortunate son...
We won't be fooled again
Yeah. Welcome to Paradise, right? Taking the Longview, only a Basketcase would be down with this Dookie.
you know what I miss that we used to do a lot of?
punching the fuck out of racist sexist piece of shit nazis.
that should make a comeback.
We're trying here: A friend of mine got unconsentually kissed and by a guy with a... reputation, to say the least, who's been trying to get into her pants for a while. So my roommate/her boyfriend and I of course got pissed off and were like "so when do we smack the little shit?" (FAR from his first time)
However, victims themselves aren't aware of what happened to them. She's already starting to forget as a trauma response and very easily got gaslit by him later that it wasn't that big/deep - til her boyfriend/my roommate reminded her that yes it fucking is.
The situation is kinda on hold, and there's of course a lot of details that make it more complicated and such, but nothing's been done because the state of the victims here are so used to such shit that when it boils over, it seems like less of a big deal than it is.
I'm in Europe, but haven't always been and can very certainly say that where I come from, the bitch would be smacked around by the victim itself and likely socially isolated for a while, no need for help - instead of no social consequence, victim unaware of what happened to them despite having a trauma response they subjectively typically have and unsmacked
Shit's out of whack and more often than not (about this specifically, but in general as well) feel like I'm the crazy one for seeing almost rape and saying "that bad" TT
Oh I’ll happily do it. I grew up in a hockey family. My brothers all learned how to fight early and I learned through uhh… my own experiences with bullies. I hit one kid so hard, he told me how he was disoriented as fuck and we ended up becoming friends.
That cracks me up dude. "nice punch! We should be friends!" is a great simple story. Thanks for sharing it with us.
I really don’t like to embellish or promote violence. It was just funny the way it worked out. I was still new to the neighborhood, so the kids that lived there were essentially hazing me on the bus. The kid kept pushing me against the window, while bracing himself on the back of our seat and the one in front of us. All I remember is blacking out, punching him in the face as hard as possible, and then him trying to get me in a headlock but failing because he was so disoriented. It was wild. He tried to goad me into fighting again afterwards, but I did my best to defuse things and told him I didn’t want to fight.
Later that day, he came over to my house, admitted that I fucked him up good, we had a laugh, and then it was all good from then on.
This is not even a strawman. I seen people on reddit argue "art is supposed to just be fun, not push any ideologies."
Ironic, the idea that art should just be for fun is its own ideology
I think what often gets missed is that art should be engaging. And that engagement - even negative engagement - can be fun.
But also, politics is very engaging and often very fun (especially when you're winning).
So, what I'm seeing isn't "Art shouldn't be political" but "Art shouldn't make me feel like I'm losing."
Yeah, ask Leni Riefenstahl about it! She knows everything about unpolitical art.
Jesus, somebody slept through art class for literally all of school. Several somebodies, apparently.
I seen people on reddit argue “art is supposed to just be fun, not push any ideologies.”
Right before they blow a gasket because they were forced, against their wills, to play as a Lady Jedi.
Those people are embarrassing. They're probably the same people that say like "Dracula is just a story about a guy who bites people shut up about all this politics and feminism".
Education is difficult and, in the US are least, under funded.
It's a conservative identifier for me. I haven't seen an example that was't complaining about progressive political stances in some medium.
not even an hour in before I could recomment
art is political
🤘rock on political musicians, 🤘rock on
Laughs in System of a Down
Prison song, BYOB (bring your own bombs), BOOM, Deer Dance, PLUCK, Holy Mountains, Protect the Land … a few of which were used to directly raise funds to support victims of an Armenian genocide ..
System of a Down was instrumental in forming my political views.
i was listening to BOOM this morning and i was....they're talking about now...this is happening now too! "The bottom line is money, nobody gives a fuck!"
Also RFK still has a tapeworm brainworm telling him what to do. Needs to pull it out of his ass.
This is one that flag-humping jingoistic fascists always think is for them, because they haven't paid attention to the words.
I fucking LOVE Woody Guthrie. Start with his political songs, such as This Land is Your Land and Tear the Fascists Down, then pick up the Wilco/Billy Bragg album Mermaid Avenue for modern recordings of previously unrecorded Guthrie songs.
And let's not forget he protested Trump long before it was cool.
Umm like EVERY 60s song. What do they think fortunate son is about?!!! Fucking dense boomers.
Born in the USA...
According to the demented fool, Fortunate son is about him, he is the: Millionaires son, born with silver spoon in hand, waiving the flag while the band is playing "Hail to the chief".
Michael Jackson is arguably the most famous musician ever, or at least VERY close and a lot of his music is explicitly political, “they don’t really care about us” comes to mind, I think “man in the mirror” also qualifies, I know other stuff he’s done definitely does too I’m just not a big MJ head, I know the guy is problematic but it’s obtuse to claim musicians are just getting political now when arguably the biggest musician of all time was very political in his own right decades ago.
Agreed about They don't really care about us, but Man in the Mirror is more personal. Black or White has a certain political slant, and Earth Song has a very direct message.
Let's look at some other musicians who might have a claim to "most famous ever": Elvis was not really political - if anything he was pro-establishment.
Mozart and Beethoven however were very political. Beethoven scratched out the dedication to Napoleon in the Eroica when Napoleon made himself an emperor. Previously Beethoven had been a major supporter of Napoleon because he was pushing enlightenment ideals. Mozart was less directly political, but The Marriage of Figaro was very subversive at the time (which I know from the movie Amadeus, but apparently that checks out).
The Beatles didn't start out political, but they became more so over time.
Well he wasn't in the epstein files and he was an odd one. But as far as I know, no proof of the kid diddling has happened.
Nobody has ever made the claim that “musicians” are just now getting political. That’s just the comic artist to make the comic.
It’s literally the definition of a strawman argument.
Americans were literally outraged that rage against the machine gas become political. Or we're not gonna take it by twisted sisters might not be the right wing anthem they thought it was.
Dee Snider has even made a point of being staunchly and publicly anti-Trump.
"Americans" weren't surprised by that, a handful of right-wing dipshits were. Stop ascribing a monolithic opinion to a third of a billion people. It's tiresome.
"Dipshits" is certainly the more accurate grouping. If I took 1 million people from any random place in the world I can always dredge up a few dipshits.
A third of a billion people is a hell of a rounding up.
Don’t have this issue as much with punk and hardcore music :P
Unfortunately, punk music does have nazi fans, hence the song Nazi Punks Fuck Off
I knew some dudes who were big into punk and hardcore in the early ‘00s. They seemed decent at first, so I hung out with them for about a month before I figured out they were racist neo nazi shitstains. I dropped that group of friends so fucking fast.
I am aware sadly. Good thing I said “as much” because the issue still exists, just not as much.
Very true, apologies, I totally missed that
No worries. I could have used better English but I got lazy :P
Okay I need some help. Is there a place I can figure out precisely the boundaries of hardcore music because I've been told a few times I should do a hardcore band.
I do blues, folk, jazz, and church music. Hardcore sounds fun but I should know what it is before I try
There aren't really any boundaries.
You have: American hardcore Powerviolence Crust Euro hardcore
And about 100 other subgenres, that have their own styles. It's mostly just energy speed and pissed off.
For example bands like Brain Tourniquet, storm of sedition, fentanyl, candy apple, tower 7, kinetic orbital strike, kohti tuhoa, extortion, Woodstock '99, Doped Up, and my current obsession 偏執症者 (Paranoid) all fall under the Hardcore label but all sound distinct from each other.
Edited to add links to band pages
I'm no expert (more of a metalhead) but I don't know any of these. When talking about hardcore I'm thinking more about Sick of it All, Hatebreed, Terror, Walls of Jericho, 25 Ta Life and the like.
I know some of them, but they're not super likely to show up on hardcore discussion threads.
Yours would. Although 25 ta life would just be Rick riding a horse memes.
Terror is always good. Incendiary, Backtrack, Have Heart, Trap Them, Nails, Left Behind, Trapped Under Ice. But yeah, hardcore has been around long enough there's lots of different flavors and offshoots.
I apologize if my last post seemed dismissive, I'm a lifelong hardcore fan. Like old enough to buy Minor Threat out of step when it came out.
I edited my first post to add links for context for the bands I named, if I had the time I would add hundreds more, cheers!
No offense, I fully understand there are a lot of subgenres. I dont want to dismiss the bands you like, I was just surprised to not see what seem (to me) to be the more popular names. But that may be just be my own bubble, and should definitely not be considered an absolute reference or an attempt at gatekeeping what's "good" hardcore. Anyway, thanks for the links!
I consider that NYHC style stuff meathead macho hxc, and not fully representative of hardcore as a whole.
Like punk there is a spectrum of sounds, scenes, and subgenres.
So I'm spending next week building musical instruments (long story) and I think you just gave me a good work Playlist
I heard “We Didn’t Start the Fire” today and thought “Well, that was a fucking lie.” It was a very popular song with people who just totally disregarded the sentiment entirely.
It was a very popular song with people who just totally disregarded the sentiment entirely.
I was just thinking about how that seems to be a theme. Art has a message. People don't pick it up.
Like, if you'll pardon a genre change, the protagonists of final fantasy 7 are literal eco terrorists who blow up an allegory for an oil plant. How many of those fans love the game and didn't give a single thought to environmentalism? Barret would disapprove
See, it's easy. The lyrics that name foreign entities? Those are bad people. The domestic entities and events their country was involved in? Naturally-occurring events that simply happened. Just history.



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