all cars are super expensive these days. it's incredible how much they have go up since 2020

And yet that's light af compared to the penalties foreign automakers face in China because China doesn't want foreign cars in their country. And that was BEFORE they even knew how to make good car.

China's mission now is to be the only country whose manufacturers you can buy cars from eventually. When that happens, don't expect them to stay subsidised.

yes. they is how tariff works.

but to be fair, the chinese government is subsidizing those cars to keep their price artificially down and take over the industry.

they are still a better deal than most european EVs

I'd expect team mango to shoot for 4-900% tariff

You assume i dont want it to burn

so, not capitalism, because it can't compete?

I'd feel more strongly at protecting national brands if they didn't outsource and import 99% of the car. The only national brand that primarily manufactures everything in the us is Tesla, and it's ran by an anti-union nazi.

So you agree that capitalism's primary use is not to ensure the supply of everyone's needs with the most effective usage of resources.

But rather: it's about competition on an international level. And the former kingpins (so-called "US" and Europe) try to stop their inevitable decline.

It would be fair to tarrif the imports to the extent of the Chinese manufacturing subsidy to level the playing field.

Beyond that, let us allow them in to put some pressure on domestic manufacturers to force production of products that we can actually afford to buy as an alternative to a 50K family wagon that has fewer features and is less efficient.

Our domestic vehicle choices are woefully inadequate to the times we live in and something needs to change. Affordability is not a pipe dream is what China is teaching us - don't let that message pass you by as they build a strong economy around us.

BYD being a cheap import because it is built where costs are lower is the same thing as US brands offshoring manufacturing. US brands get government favoritism through tax breaks and other benefits.

It would actually be pretty neat if BYD built factories in the US like the Japanese brands did to get around the import part. The costs would be higher of course, but still better than the current overpriced offerings from brands that have no real competition.

Nobody cares about those folks, it's the rest of us that want them.

They'll be eating caulk just to keep affording the gas to run those V8s at this rate.

Ohhh this looks not bad, how is it when it comes to privacy? I was looking at something around the size of Kia Picanto. That fits very nicely (tested with real car), but electric is better.

I am just moaning about the ginormous cars I keep seeing on the roads of my little UK town (really it's more like a village) and seeing how they are having so much issues parking. Some keep popping out of their driveways! While I still have a pram, it's a right pain (not to mention disabled people!)

Here in the UK yes, plenty of options, in Magastan ? Not so much.

Do they sell a GTI?

I.e. totally unnecessary.

Mine is about the size of a corolla hatchback

It's plenty big enough for what I want, and I charge for free while I'm at work!