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[–] 123 points 1 month ago (3 children)

“We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must - at that moment - become the center of the universe.”

-Elie Wiesel

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  • [–] 55 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Ser Davos was always wise.

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  • [–] 108 points 1 month ago (24 children)

    Sheeran posted this on IG:

    I am appalled by the conflict between Israel and Palestine. The suffering and pain caused on both sides is a human tragedy.

    But when a side has a 1000:1 kill rate and it's actively trying to remove/cleanse/genocide the other side from its foundation...

    Hamas exists because Israel

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Yes, Jewish people suffered greatly in the last century. Yes, there people in certain countries/religions who actively want to kill Jews or at least Israelis. Yes, Israel is a majority Jewish state.

    But.

    No, a past genocide does not give a free pass to execute a new one. No, murdering thousands in collateral to catch the ones who might be dangerous is not acceptable (not to mention the executions etc of obvious non-combatants). No Israel does not speak for all Jewish people nor have justification to excuse their behaviour/crimes as such. Also, yes the Israeli government/leadership is corrupt as fuck, uses war to dodge accountability, and is involved in a lot more terrible acts than "just" the ones in Palestine.

    Honestly, when Mossad was blowing up pages and mobiles I thought that was great. It was strategic, effective, and we'll targeted at the actual terrorist leaders/allies rather than causing mass casualties.. they obviously have the capability to be much more surgical in their responses, so mass-bombings etc seem that much more like war/hate crimes. Doing this just creates more hatred, which leads to more terrorists and a continual cycle.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I was with you right up to the point you seem to approve of terrorism. Bizarre stance for sure.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Where do I approve of terrorism? My point is that the current actions are more likely to drive people towards terrorism, whereas intelligent strikes against the terrorist leadership actually reduce the threat

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    "Honestly, when Mossad was blowing up pages and mobiles I thought that was great."

    This was an act of terrorism regardless of your opinion about it being morally correct. Let's suppose Hezbollah sent packages to Israeli military families and they blew up when they opened them wounding them and their family members. Would you also applaud this?

    It was a disgusting attack that maimed and even killed children.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I mean why is Hama's a terrorist organization? Sure they killed people but their people have been kicked out of homes and killed and nobody cared. Of course they are eventually going to fight back.I mean is what they did eight? No but is what Israel was doing to them even before this right? No but nobody cared till they leveled the place this time.

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  • [+] -38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (16 children)

    Hamas exists because Israel

    80 years of making the wrong political decision at every fork in the road.

    Always on the wrong side of things.

    Eventually that catches up with you. No matter who you are.

    That is what we are seeing unfold in Gaza in our present times.

    Walking out on the U.N. partition plan negotiations back in 1948 was a tragic mistake, and it's only become more disastrous with the passage of the years and decades since then.

    No musician or singer poncing about on stage like an uninformed idiot before a crowd of even less informed idiots can change anything about those facts.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    If Palestine agreed to give up the most fertile part of their land, to the government that just invaded and genocided them, do you think Israel would have stopped?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Why do you engage with trash when the block button is RIGHT THERE?

    Some people’s ideas don’t fucking matter.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    No you have to confront trash at every turn, even if it seems pointless. I dont have the energy to do it most of the time and that's on me, but I certainly won't discourage those who have it

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    #I'm tired boss and #thats the point. The shit storm they are staring up in every direction is quite literally a tactic in debate. "Gish Gallop" (or bullshit storm) is what it is called. Just being used in physical form by these fuckers on the geopolitical level.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    Here is a simple take on this. I'm living here near a little town on my little half acre of land. Then some people move in beside me on their little half acre of land and they have support of the nearby town and several counties giving them the land and the house. It's not the best land in the area but they get it for free. Now I'm sitting here on my little half acre minding my own business and the nearby town and counties decide that hey we're going to give the people that just moved in beside you a quarter of your land and I go no you're not so I put up a fence they come in and tear it down and take it anyway. Now my neighbors on the other side of me they want to back me but they're afraid because my new neighbors have the backing of the local police and sheriff. So they just stick to their own business. Well I'm not very powerful but I'll go out there and I step on my old stolen piece of land and I put up a fence again. This time The neighbor comes out with guns and start shooting my cats tears down the fence and says well we're going to take a little more and so they take a little more. So we kind of settle into an uneasy fuck you across the fence for a while. Eventually my neighbor sees that hey my land is growing corn and stuff and it's nice and flat so they decide that that's what they want to so they decide one day they take down part of the fence and they move it another 50 ft intake my whole front yard now what do you think I'm going to do? I'm going to fight the whole time cuz I got nowhere to go. Then my neighbors decide they want my fucking house too so they come over start shooting my cats and throwing my shit out in the yard setting it on fire all what the help of the local police and sheriff. Now you tell me who the terrorist is?. That's a rhetorical question.

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  • [+] -19 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    You're going to need to be less vague with what you're saying. Vague, but strongely worded comments are a hallmark of conspiracy nuts

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  • [–] [M] 1 point 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Your comment breaks no community/site-wide rule. That doesn't make it blatantly horrible.

    What you're saying is "collective punishment is the way we should handle this".

    Take your down-votes, and read the room next time.

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  • What you’re saying is “collective punishment is the way we should handle this”.

    No, I merely observe that it appears the Palestinians in Gaza are experiencing collective punishment at the hands of the Israelis at the moment, and that sometimes in the course of human affairs collective punishment has been known to happen- especially in war & in "special military operations"

    That first line which is a quote of your own words.. which is you saying what you think I am saying, which is in the end, you saying something- not me. .

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  • [–] 154 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    Ed Sheeran is a fucking coward that tried to say he can't have Macklemore talking about Palestine because of the children in the audience. The appropriate thing for someone with $400m in the bank would have been to cancel the tour, raincheck or refund the tickets and find decent venue owners for the next attempt.

    Also, I'm pretty damn sure that Robert Kraft's stadium gets tax money for something. That should fucking stop immediately.

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  • [–] 100 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    he can’t have Macklemore talking about Palestine because of the children in the audience

    Meanwhile small children entertainment superstar Ms. Rachel: https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ms-rachel-criticises-ed-sheeran-macklemore-us-tour-1819728

    Screenshot of her recent posts on IG:

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  • [–] 56 points 1 month ago

    She’s exactly right too.

    He had zero problem being political with Ukraine, when it was pretty universally accepted.

    His problem isn’t politics, it’s actually having a backbone and standing up against any sort of adversity.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Kraft also owns the new england patriots. Hate to give those athletes a splash effect of their owner's awfulness. But I also think thats the celebrity world for you. We have to make zionism as toxic in the business community as it already is in public opinion polls. BDS works.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    No. The proper thing to do is take the stage and repeat Macklemores words and cover the song Macklemore covered.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    No that's how you attempt to save face now.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    His contracts with all those venues may cost him far more than you'd imagine if he just doesn't show or drops out. The only telling thing he has done that makes him look really badly is his lack of any statements he could have made by now.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Take the stage and read statements from every act that canceled, call for an end to genocide, and maybe cover some of their protest songs and maybe then.

    tell Kraft to such a dick, and if he Still gets paid because he is evil and has good lawyers then learn your lesson and never sign a contract that allows that again. Play in dive bars until the rich fucks cave.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Oh, the fucking irony...

    Macklemore was vocally against Biden and proclaimed he wouldn't vote for him.

    He didn't pick a side. I presume he didn't vote for Trump, but he sure convinced folks not to vote for Biden.

    Trump is raping the US and the world right now.

    Edit: Fuck anyone who doesn't oppose Israel's genocide.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    I mean, I was vocally against Biden (in 2020) in a sense of, “this guy is way too conservative on Israel and will probably lose re-election as a result if the conflict there heats up.” Not a very satisfying “I told you so.” I still voted for him in 2020, but I told this to everyone at the time, and with hindsight I was absolutely right. I still voted for Harris in ‘24, but I wasn’t surprised when she lost after all the Liz Cheney/“most lethal military” shit. The job of politicians is to convince voters to support them, not to ignore them, and Biden/Harris were completely out of touch with their own base. This is not the voters’ or Macklemore’s fault, it is Biden and Harris’s fault. Can’t even blame Trump for this one.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 month ago

    The funny thing is that I have no interest in watching ed Sheeran, and here in Australia, pretty sure a lot of people would rather watch Macklemore

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    He's in love with the shape of 💵

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  • [–] 53 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Thank dog I never gave a crap about his music. I look forward to ignoring his future commercial endorsements for CapitalOne Bank and Smirnoff Ice.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago

    Cunningham is bad ass, always has been.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vgyn49y4l7o

    Ahahaha!

    All of the remaining support acts on Ed Sheeran's US tour have quit, after the rapper Macklemore was dropped from the line-up for making pro-Palestinian remarks on stage.

    Among them were Finneas, the brother of pop star Billie Eilish, who said in a statement: "Artists must not be silenced when they speak up for the oppressed."

    Irish singer-songwriter Aaron Rowe and Danish band Lukas Graham also announced their departure. Irish folk band Beoga, who perform with Sheeran on stage every night, dropped out too.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago

    If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.

    – Desmond Tutu

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    [–] 19 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    On the one hand, no one should be taking their political opinions from fucking celebrities. On the other hand, being against genocide is a pretty easy one to get right and he still can't manage to do it...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Most people get their political opinions from everywhere, which is why it's important to take opportunities to talk about politics in non-political situations.

    If I feel strongly about something, I share it with the people around me. Celebrities are just people with a lot of people around them. So while I agree that people shouldn't be treating celebrities as political experts, neither should we be acting like celebrities need to stay silent when they have something to share.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    So while I agree that people shouldn’t be treating celebrities as political experts, neither should we be acting like celebrities need to stay silent when they have something to share.

    Agreed. people can say what they want. My point was the listeners shouldn't be taking the word of non-experts as truth or putting much stock in what they have to say at all.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Political opinions from uninformed or biased celebrities no, but at the same time it's easier you somebody who already has a following to make that push in the right (or wrong) direction than some random nobody.. This is especially true in the US where people are being actively oppressed by their own government, as it's a significantly harder for ICE etc to suddenly disappear somebody famous versus a random "dissident".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    My problem with the situation is not so much the celebrities speaking out. They can say whatever they want, it's their platform. My problem is with all the people listening and forming their own opinions around that. There are (or at least should be) better informed sources to learn about problems like this from. Media is fucked up too though so at this point I guess gather information from wherever you can.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Yeah if you're solely basing your opinion on what some famous dude with no other credentials says then that's a bad idea. I still try and listen to the professionals, but they are being suppressed especially in the news. Still, it seems people are as much likely to migrate towards celebrities that seem to share their political views as they are to be informed by them.

    If people are going to follow celebrities for politica informationl, maybe they would be better off to go with Tom Morello (Rage Against the Machine). He at least he has a degree in Political Science, and a decent wit to go with it.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    The article reads exactly that though, he is against it, but doesn't want to drag politics to his performance.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Well, he didn't really have a choice. The owner of the venue dragged him into it by demanding he deplatform Macklemore and he folded and kicked Macklemore off his tour. That's taking a side and he chose the wrong one.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Liam Cunningam seems like a pretty good dude.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago

    I did not foresee Isreal/Palestine unseating Ed Sheeran's popular image, but here we are.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Take note, Switzerland. Neutrality is a cop out.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Apathy feeds the oppressor.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    How does one boycott Ed Sheeran when you already skip all his drivel?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Through mockery.

    I made a reminder at work that Target took down lgbt products, removed "DEI" language out of their policies, and did a racism when I saw the party planner bought some shit from Target for a pizza party. Immediately the dog piling began and she's terrified to bring a target bag here again.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Serious question, what is the alternative for target as Amazon and others are at least as bad?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I want someone good at art to make a picture. One side of the pic would be unicorns and rainbow type shit and the other side would be the idf commiting atrocities. Splitting the image would be Sheeran sitting on a fence saying "I don't want to be political"

    I'd get that printed on a shirt and rock it so damn hard.

    Bonus points if one of the posts/slats was shoved up his ass and coming out of his mouth.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago

    Its probably the only real attention he's gotten for a while.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    His soccer team got destroyed by a 16 year old today, too. Love to see it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    And this is why I try to stay detached from entertainers.

    It's great if they turn out to be decent people who are willing to stand up for good causes but it always hurts to find out when they're like this.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The Onion Knight is pretty awesome in real life.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    How long before he caves?

    He can't possibly play his next show, can he? If he does, the only gig he'll get after this is the Republican Convention.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I wish you were right but…honestly Zionism and genocide are highly tolerated in this country.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    I mean, practically speaking, he probably won't be playing his next show given that his touring band and all his other openers quit in protest. So unless it's going to be four hours of Ed and an acoustic guitar...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    His band and opening performers quit. I'm not sure how he could do a show. Apparently with Macklemore on the tour the Epstein class venue owners were starting to refuse him locations to play, so he caved, and now artists don't want to work with him.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    Good. Maybe it will get worse.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Never forget that Ed Sheeran showing up in Game Of Thrones was the harbinger of its inevitable ruin.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    “We could change this whole world with a piano Add a bass, some guitar, grab a beat and away we go”

    What DO YOU know?

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