Some 92 percent have delayed or abandoned medical care because of costs, according to a survey of 1,507 U.S.adults by financial services firm JG Wentworth.

High prices at the doctor’s office, urgent care, emergency room and more have led to 85 percent of Americans having medical debt. Collectively, American consumers have $220 billion in medical debt, according to a February poll from KFF - that’s around $958.61 per adult with medical debt.

Nearly one in five adults said their health got worse because they skipped a doctor’s visit. That problem is more acute for those 64 and younger - 42 percent say their health got worse after putting off a medical visit.

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[–] 76 points 2 months ago (12 children)

I wonder if these adults will start voting for people interested in socialized medicine?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    If it’s still possible for voting to work, we have to get rid of all the establishment corpo-critters, the ones taking money from AIPAC, etc. Many leftist social dems are winning primaries, get them in office this November and maybe we can stem the tide. Maybe.

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  • [+] -16 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    Just like Biden was interested in $15 an hour?

    Just like Trump was interested in no wars?

    (it doesn't matter what they say they are interested in. Don't be a sucker)

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Anytime Biden tried to do anything good for people like cancel student loans, he's been blocked by Republicans at every turn.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    As was the plan all along for an establishment ghoul

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    You think the Biden administration fought for it all the way to the Supreme(-ly Corrupt) Court, hoping it would be struck down? Really, you think this was the intended plan?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Biden was the senator who authored, sponsored, and loudly endorsed the 2005 BAPCPA legislation, which prevents student loan borrowers from declaring bankruptcy over their crushing debt. Hot on the heels of GWB removing the tuition increase caps for state universities. Senator Biden of Delaware was literally “their guy” - meaning the student loan lenders and accompanying financial institutions.

    So no, he was doing his job by ensuring the debt forgiveness did not succeed. Or if it did, that 95% of recipients would be means tested out of it. This complements his job as a centrist corporate ghoul - to trick people into believing the democrats would do something to meaningfully improve their lives, if only those pesky republicans would let them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Or, you know, in the 15 years between that and his administration he saw the data and changed his views. That is a thing people can do, you know?

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  • [–] 147 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    This is by design. The government wants this for us.

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  • [–] 103 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Insurers want this for us. It's like a subscription fee you've forgotten about or a gym membership you keep telling yourself you'll start using again. The existing establishment wants their lobby money to keep flowing. Bringing in new leaders who actually care about the people should be the voters goal. I think we're waking up as a populace but we've got everything working against us. We just needed the world to literally burn around us to give a shit tho.

    Edit: stats they aren't even paying a lot of money to accomplish their goal.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Shocking to who? Not shocking to us plebs living in this shithole.

    #FreeLuigi

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Not adopting socialism is expensive.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I've probably needed PT for the past couple years. However, last time I went for an acute injury, it cost me $1200 in scans. The result was them saying there was nothing visibly wrong and it would probably clear up on its own in a couple of more weeks (they told me 4-6 weeks post injury and this was on week 3). So I essentially paid all that money for nothing.

    I'm in the fortunate position that I can technically afford these kinds of expenses, but I still put off care because of the price. I completely understand why people in a worse position than me would absolutely not go to the doctor.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    (what is PT?) And jeeeez...1200 moneyzs for some scans that didn't even lead somewhere? I'd be furious. Your system is really broken :-(

    I mean I have to pay medical bills too (germany, privately insured not public, then it would just be free) but I get it back later by the insurance. With every year not producing any costs I even get back a portion of the money they take monthly. And we still complain....probably shouldn't.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago

    $30k in debt because I didn't feel like dying in June! Eagle screech

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I just (last year) got a fantastic new job with great pay and benefits. Which means I am only responsible for the first 5000. It's been 12 years since I have seen a doctor. I'm in one of the worst health care states in the union. Just lucky so far. This is the state of healthcare in the usa.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    I've had "good" insurance for almost a decade now, but I could never find a doctor that was in-network, taking new patients, and less than 50 miles away. I was calling around locally every three months, like clockwork, for years.

    I finally got lucky this week, so I've got an appointment in October. The receptionist asked me when my last physical was, and I said 2004. She said, "Oh, so not in the last year then?"

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    They love other people dying. They're just willing to guarantee their own death to make that a reality.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I paid $400 for a 30 minute virtual visit where they asked me the same god damn questions I filled out on the intake form. Insurance covered 60% of that.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I had/have a chronic long term injury. I was referred to a specialist. Wait time was 5 MONTHS to see the specialist. In non-stop pain.

    I go in after crossing an ocean of pain. Guy looks at my paperwork for 30 seconds. Looks at me. Tells me I was sent to the wrong place and gives me the number for the right office. I was charged a little over $400 for 5 minutes with the wrong person after 5 months. I never paid it. Not sure if I got sent to collections. I don't care.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    I don't do electronic intake forms where possible.

    Like when they text me in advance definitely not.

    When they give me something in the waiting room I just do basic details.

    When paying exorbitant rates I don't think talking to a human is too much to ask.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    "Shocking"

    Fuck you. Literally everyone in the US absolutely makes this decision for themselves and their families regularly. It isn't "shocking". It is the reality we're all dealing with.

    What would be shocking is if anyone in charge gave a fuck about the people instead of their donors and moved to do something about it.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I donno. I spend $750,000 minimum a year and I've never seen a bill. I have stage 5 kidney failure and go to dialysis 3 days a week. I have United (private) Medicare and Medicaid. My United is $750/mo but I don't have to pay it.

    I know it's easy to shit on America and it's the thing to do currently, but when you cherry pick the worst situations, sure it looks like shit. I could say the same in universal insurance countries. There are people there waiting 2-3 years for a MRI or are left in gurney in the halls for days before being looked at. Does that mean that's the norm? No

    Just saying, if you want to be ignorant for your nerarive then that's cool, do you no hate. But that doesn't mean it's true regardless of your opinion.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    lol. your self example is the case of universal insurance in the us. medicare with medicaid. and the limited example where you don't have to work 20 hours a week to get the medicaid. talk about cherry picking.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago*

    I know it’s easy to shit on America and it’s the thing to do currently, but when you cherry pick the worst situations, sure it looks like shit.

    Americans, per capita, pay far more for healthcare than any other country, and have a much lower life expectancy than peer countries. By any metric we are getting a shitty deal, far worse than any other country. You cannot "both sides" this one. Privatized healthcare is an abject failure that should be abandoned as quickly as possible.

    This isn't me shitting on America, this is me realistically describing what is currently going on in America.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    You literally do not see that you are benefiting from universal healthcare? Medicaid is paying that 750 a month and the rest is covered by Medicare. I go to the VA. Universal healthcare for veterans. When I turn 65 next year I will have 3 insurance plans. VA, Medicare, and my state plan that I pay 75 a month for. Two of those will be universal healthcare. How do you not see you are benefiting from a public health plan?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    "I'm getting care so everyone else can suffer and die"

    People waiting years on lists and days on gurneys should complain about their countries system, and they do. You see it in every wealthy country.

    Your good experience is not an argument that the system is fine. Neither is mine.

    The fact remains that many, many people cannot, access care, or are financially ruined when they do.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago

    Super Mario Bros

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's worse than that. Doctors aren't as smart as you think they are. Not an insult but it takes years of having a patient to get a rough idea what's actually going on. Hard to do that when your insurance keeps changing every year.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The shocking thing is the propaganda in the headline saying this is "shocking".

    Where is the call for violent overthrow of the regime?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago*

    Well, this is from a British newspaper and Britain has the National Health Service, so it makes sense that for them this is "shocking".

    Further, given the image that America has projected to the World in the last half-century, the news about Public Health in that country being basically what you see in the 3rd World would be "shocking" for those who believed that image of America.

    I mean, plenty of people outside America still believe ridiculous shit like Americans being wealthy (most are not: the mean level of wealth of Americans is less than those of Portuguese, one of the poorest nations in the EU), their Military being very powerful (*cough* Iran *cough*) or the Justice System in the US being fair.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Just read the stories about how things were in Britain when the National Health Service was created.

    One of the things which was pretty common before the NHS was created was this kind of thing - most people would only ever go to the doctor when they were already very sick for a while and their health just kept getting worse.

    After the National Health Service was created overall healthcare costs actually went down because people were actually going to the doctor much earlier and less sick, plus under Universal Healthcare "Preventive Medicine" makes sense even just from an economic point of view because it reduces the costs of the whole system.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is true, better health and lower costs, but all the proof in the world won't change the maga team to support it. Some of them have what they think is "good insurance" and think they're special and don't want it for all. Lots of selfishness rather than raise all boats, it's part of the cowboy lore they like to pretend they are lol.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    The core value of both MAGA politicians and MAGA supporters is "what's in it for me", not what's better for people in general.

    In fact, the same applies to most Democrat politicians and possibly even most Democrat supporters.

    Selfish Individualism is kinda the thing which is extra extra in the US compared to, say, Europe were there either a large minority or maybe even a majority still hold at least some pro-social principles

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Its too expensive and most of the time you don't get any help.

    The last few times I have gone to a doctor, its basically been shrugged shoulders and a bunch of surprise bills for the next few months.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    most of the time you don’t get any help.

    That hasn't been my experience at all. Actually getting in to see a doctor has been a big deal for me, personally, over the last few years.

    Just last month, I had a really painful chronic cough going on weeks. Went in, got diagnosed with bacterial pneumonia, handed a prescription for antibiotics, and was feeling significantly better within hours after taking it.

    A year before that, had a days long debilitating back spasm. Dragged myself to an urgent care, got an injection and some oral anti-inflammatories, and was back on my feet before the end of the week.

    My son was born premature, two years ago. The NICU in Houston took him from death's door to on track for normal development over an intensive 18 weeks of care.

    Mother-in-law got diagnosed with breast cancer six months ago. Was in treatment inside two weeks. Surgery at MD Anderson. Pronounced cancer clear a month later.

    And then there's COVID. At least three different instances where a visit to the doctor radically improved the condition of myself and my family.

    Health Care in this country is borderline miraculous when you can actually get it.

    But then the bills come rolling in, and it feels significantly less magical.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I have health insurance through work and I stopped visiting the doctor because I never get any help. It's like pulling teeth to get a medication I want and any concerns I have are dismissed entirely. If not for the fact it pays for emergency care I wouldn't have it at all. If I get a serious injury I would absolutely need it, but for the past few years all it's done is decrease my income.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    And when you do go you feel like you're being rushed through the checkout lane and don't receive the help you actually need.

    In America the only hope you have of receiving real medical care is being rushed into the ER actively in the process of dying. That's when you MIGHT get attended by a real medical professional that knows what they're doing and dedicates the time necessary to actually help you.

    And then you spend the rest of your life paying for it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    The last time I saw my doctor, the amount of times she interrupted and spoke over me to speed things up and got everything wrong was amazing. There was an important thing I left having not addressed at all!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    i was seeing a derm this year due to severe atopic dermatitis, he just sat at least 6 feet away and took pictures of my rashes, dint even examine them up close, dint get the chance to tell them about a new lip chelitis thing going on too. so his "examination" was justing sitting far away from me and looking at the rashes.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This seems right but… why are so many clinics still so backed up then?

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It’s better for my credit rating if I just die.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I also love the claim that it will take so much longer to receive care. I’m trying to find a new therapist, and even with my amazing health insurance I’m looking at October 28th at the earliest with any therapist, or January for one that seems more aligned with my issues.

    Had suicidal ideation a few days ago. Tried to check into a local crisis center. They declined admission and basically told me get a new therapist, try yoga and meditation. One of the therapists the suggested isn’t taking new clients, the other doesn’t accept my insurance.

    I’m holding on as best as I can, but the system failing me like this isn’t making life any easier. I do still have a therapist that I will see by the end of this week, but he basically just listens and says “wow that’s sounds incredibly painful”.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I'm so sorry to hear that. I've also been there for quite a while, and I found something that really helped me: parachuting! It's a bit expensive, but if you can afford it, I'd highly recommend it! It's helped me a ton!!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Had suicidal ideation a few days ago.

    Just the normal amount or was it really bad?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    i think they are complacent, because some of them are well off enough to have "insurance" through thier employers that the insurance is willing to pay for most of the cost. when they see copays of 15-40$, they dont actually see its really 300-420$ actual cost per visit.

    dental is even worst, they think tooth extraction is only a couple hundred when its actual 500-700$ on average as Out of pocket, and 400$ for root canal instead of 1200-2000$/tooth(not including crowns. and some dental pratices will upcharge. i had to go to an emergency dentist recently, and they charge an arm and leg for most things, even when compared to other dentists around them, they are like 50-100% more expensive. they are fine for emergency dental appts but not for general care. luckily i was able to find cheaper dentists around to take care of a severe tooth issue.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago*

    It's not shocking when you have no universal health care and even if you do have insurance it doesn't cover crap. I just paid $200 for labs because "insurance" only covered half the cost. The entire system is a racket.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    I haven't seem a doctor since 2013. Ain't no way I could afford that bill. Thankfully I've had no major health complications or I'd be zeroed out and still probably owe money.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I don't have insurance. I hope for the best until I have to visit an urgent care.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I have insurance with a high deductible and copays. It doesn't help. It cost me $60 to see an orthopedic specialist to say we didn't need to do steroid injections yet. Just to see them, it's five times the cost for said shots. Our entire system is a sham.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Seeing someone to just be told to wait / come back is infuriating. People are like “you dont work for free” but i sure as fuck don’t bill per message beginning the moment i get any message at all!

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Yep, the insurance companies want us dead. They are trying to thin our those who are "weak" when it was thier fault that we are physically weak in the first place. They just want to kill people as far as I can tell. Helping is secondary.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    We need healthcare to be cost prohibitive because there's not enough doctors or nurses to care for everyone.

    Reasons for that likely because of the rising costs of tuition and the non-rising salaries, and complete forfeiture of your life during your bodies peak years.

    It's all working as designed, because it's designed to keep us sick and in deep debt, perpetually afraid of the double-blow of getting sick and losing our jobs to keep us showing up to work every day. We are expendable cogs in a capitalist machine, and our lives have no value beyond what we can produce for the shareholders.

    We have it only slightly better than dairy cows, in that we aren't literally getting fucked our entire career, and we get to keep living for a couple more years after we're no longer productive enough to keep working (if we were fortunate enough to save up for it).

    And even at that...the cows at least get free healthcare, and food, and shelter provided for them. Most of them see more sunlight than most of us, too.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If you didn't know, congress artificially caps the number of people that can become doctors each year (I believe it's the funding for residency spots). That's the main idiotic reason there's not enough doctors.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    also thier salary, if there is too many doctors, they would have to lower the salaries eventually. Also depending on your specialty, certain residencies have higher job pay, like surgeons, and specific specialists(especially if you are an MD and also in research like for cancer). also to make things worst is PE firms/teledoc is snatching up doctors too.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    i think nurses are churned out enough, but they get abused way too much so they leave or work less, or become travelling nurses. DOCTOR is where the problem, High med school cost, competitive, also AMA gatekeeps the licensing.

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    [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Best country in the world!

    Oh wait...

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    The “92% of Americans aren’t going to the doctor because it’s too expensive” claim is misleading.

    The 92% figure comes from a survey of just 1,507 U.S. adults conducted for financial-services company JG Wentworth. It reportedly found that 92% had delayed or abandoned some form of medical care because of cost. That is very different from saying that 92% of Americans don't go to the doctor, or that only 8% of Americans “attend to their health.”

    There is much better independent data showing that cost really is a major problem, but the numbers are nowhere near 92%. KFF's 2025 national polling found that 36% of adults said they had skipped or postponed needed health care during the previous year because of cost. KFF also found that 37% of insured adults reported doing so, so having insurance clearly doesn't eliminate the problem.

    Even better, an analysis using National Health Interview Survey data, rather than a private company's survey, found that about 17% of U.S. adults delayed or did not get health care because of cost in 2024.

    So the underlying story is absolutely legitimate: healthcare costs are causing millions of Americans to delay or forgo care. But presenting a JG Wentworth survey's 92% figure as though it means “only 8% of Americans seek medical care” is a pretty substantial distortion of what the survey actually measured.

    The more defensible takeaway is: American healthcare is expensive enough that a significant minority of Americans are delaying needed care because they cannot afford it. That's bad enough without turning the statistic into something it doesn't actually say.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    American healthcare is expensive enough that a significant minority of Americans are delaying needed care because they cannot afford it

    Is this not too strong wording to the point where it may be downplaying it?

    Would it be safer to say American healthcare is expensive enough that a significant number of Americans are delaying needed care because they cannot afford it?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, that would also be true. I was just trying to be as concise as possible.

    The problem with American healthcare isn't simply that healthcare is expensive, or even that people aren't receiving it. The deeper problem is that we've built healthcare into a predominantly profit-driven corporate system.

    And to be clear, I don't have a problem with people making money from medicine. There is absolutely nothing wrong with profiting from developing a revolutionary medical technology, discovering a new treatment, manufacturing equipment, or creating a drug that genuinely improves people's lives. Innovation requires investment, and investment requires the possibility of a return.

    The problem is what happens when the entire healthcare system is subjected to the same corporate incentives as every other industry: maximize revenue, minimize costs, consolidate market power, increase shareholder returns, and treat the patient as a revenue source.

    Healthcare isn't a normal consumer product. When you need a refrigerator, you can decide whether you want to buy one. When you're having a heart attack, you don't exactly have the luxury of shopping around for the best deal.

    That's where the fundamental problem lies. It's not that healthcare is allowed to make money. It's that we've allowed profit maximization to become one of the primary organizing principles of a system where the consumer often has virtually no ability to negotiate, comparison-shop, or simply walk away.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Yes, I agree, and I think it's also bad how more money can equal better healthcare and better outcomes.

    I just think calling it any kind of minority would be downplaying how common it is to delay needed healthcare, because of how expensive it is.

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