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Breaking Benjamin frontman pauses concert to rant about Fallout 4 modding beef: 'There was a modder in the community that was really mean to me' (www.pcgamer.com)
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One attendee shouted: "Play some music!" Others in the crowd were loving it. Burnley kept going, telling the audience to wait for his new update to drop before downloading the mod.

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[–] 84 points 2 months ago (1 child)

That’s fucking hilarious

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    • [–] 83 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    We all need some public space to rant in, for our mental health.

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    • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Imah be real. I love B.B. they make good music and I haven't heard anything bad about him.

    So glad this wasn't a racist rant or some shit.

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    • [–] 27 points 2 months ago

    tbf probably the best thing that a singer from a late 90s/early 2000s band could stop a concert to say at this point.

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    [–] 23 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I watched an extended breakdown on YouTube of this dude who's been an absolute villain of the Skyrim modding scene for like over a decade. I honestly can't recommend anyone watch it because it'll just make you angry. I was happily playing modded Skyrim for years without knowing anything about him. After I learned of his existence, I realized that some of the issues I'd had with modding Skyrim over the years were actually deliberately caused by this guy when I'd assumed it was due to the general flakiness of modding.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Was this down the rabbit hole?
    https://youtu.be/q6OqJOSmDrY

    If not please link - I like listening to this whilst working, the anger keeps me going

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yup that's the one. If you've got the stomach for it, by all means go ahead. For me, I kinda regretted watching it after because despite being a well-made video, I realized that all I was left with afterward was a lingering anger and and an unintentionally curated list of things that will probably remind me of that douchebag every time I play Skyrim from now on.

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    • [–] 57 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Sadly his mod is vibe-coded tagged AI assisted... But that rant is fucking hilarious as someone who's seen them in concert three times

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    There are definitely levels to the ethics of AI in general and vibe-coding in particular... but I think for me mods for games you like feels like maybe the least bad? It still has issues around training and sourcing of input, and part of the associated environmental impact of training.

    But on the other hand the game was already proprietary, and most modders don't make a career out of it, and there isn't the same kind of "maintenance" as a normal project, and a busted mod isn't dangerous to society, so those parts of the ethics don't apply as cleanly. And there is something nice about the idea that some random person who likes this game, and has an idea about how they'd like it even better, can tweak some other company's game to better fit their desires.

    I've been a professional programmer for like 20 years, but I don't think I have the bandwidth to learn how to mod each game I like individually. I've never written any mod for any game, despite having made (gamejam) games before! So if we could hypothetically solve the input problem, I think people having the freedom to personalize their gaming experience from what Microsoft provides is kinda nice. But that's obviously a big thorny "if" 😛

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Reasonable take. Fallout mods… I can’t think of many contexts in software where the stakes are lower and the existing human-created stuff is already pretty polluted with mixed quality.

    But you know. Hating on AI is not exactly a subtle art around here.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah. It also feels like the purest form of the "end user empowerment" angle. A person is playing a game, they think "I wish this game let me fly", they ask the computer, and the computer says "sure, give me a sec. Okay now you can fly". It's not for someone's job, it's not making them more efficient, it's just enhancing their personal bfun during a leisure activity.

    Ignoring all the parts that come before that, that's cool 😛

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    And the parts that come after. Scraping websites until they go down, driving up the price of computer hardware, stealing the world's information and selling it back to us...

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I'd argue those are still before costs. You scrape the websites to get input content, you buy the hardware to do training, etc.

    But now I'm just being too online 😅

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I think that demand partially drives supply. The more people that use AI, the greater these after costs get.

    There are other after coats too, like ai-powered ai detectors marking artists original content as ai generated, or new ways people get discriminated against by AI tools.

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  • [+] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I didn't actually listen to the rant in particular, and I don't know the band. If Musk was pitching why he should build more data centres or why people should invest in his company, yes that would be bad.

    But if Musk was saying he was playing a videogame last week and he vibe-coded a mod to make the game better, I'd probably think that was the most relatable thing I've heard about him in a while 😛

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Nah, good modding communities are just that - communities. They unfortunately generally aren’t as open as Open Source (though it depends on the game and mods) and have plenty of drama as a result, but vibe-coded slop just ruins that community even more. Can’t effectively build off each other’s mods if no one understands them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    The problem is more technical though.

    A badly programmed mod, just as any badly programmed program, is going to cause security issues, as well as resources issues (i.e., memory leaks or memory and/or cache fragmentation) and severe performance issues.

    You may think that it's not that bad, is simply a game, but it could make it easier for an attacker to fuck up your system, and even if we don't count this, there's still the fact that it can (and will) damage your OS and even your PC (for example, due to overheating, or to the disk[s], memory, CPU or GPU overworking).

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    • [–] 17 points 2 months ago

    i heard his mod was ai slop though

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    [–] 15 points 2 months ago

    So torn. On the one hand, kinda ridiculous to stop a show for this. Yet...I totally relate.

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    [–] 20 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Is there a mod that makes Fallout 4 half as good as New Vegas?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    There is a way to do it with several mods that I did. It works great.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Any change for a copy/paste or screenshot? R*ddit blocks me from access.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Fallout 4 Script Extender This mod list is PC only and requires F4SE
    Silent Protagonist Get rid of the annoying voiced protagonist
    SCDC - Subjective Cinematic Dialogue Camera Camera no longer focuses on you during dialog (goes with Silent Protagonist)
    Extended Dialogue Interface Get rid of the abbreviated choice wheel, get a full dialog like FNV, spells out what you will actually say
    Start Me Up - Alternate Start and Dialogue Overhaul Start the game as any character you like, Sean quests remain but become third party
    Start Me Up - Patch for Silent Protagonist Required for Start Me Up to work with Silent Protagonist
    Classic-Overseer-Monofonto Font Replacer Brings back the FNV font for dialog
    HUD Plus Plus Not FNV related but really useful for gathering crafting mats
    HUDFramework Required by HUD Plus Plus
    Improved Map with Visible Roads Makes the Pip Boy map more like the FNV map
    PerkPointsPerLevel Makes character progression more like FNV by doubling your perk points
    Faster Terminal Displays Speeds up terminal displays so they are more like FNV
    Deadlier Deathclaws Makes Deathclaws fearsome again
    Preston Garvey No Radiant Settlement Quests Self explanatory
    Mod Configuration Menu Required by several mods
    No More Creation Club New Gets rid of Creation Club note on the splash page
    Achievements Allows achievements despite mods

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, Fallout London

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    • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Cringe. What a petty and insecure person. I hope the modder who was mean to him ends up being 14 years old.

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    [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Wow, haven't heard or thought about this band for a damn long time. Got major nostalgia for the song they made for the Halo 2 OST.

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    [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    go off king

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    [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    At least I know the music I have from the band wasn't AI generated, since it's all well over a decade old now and before LLMs were a thing. But i probably won't be bothering with any new stuff they put out.

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    [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    One attendee shouted: “Play some music!” Others in the crowd were loving it.

    As someone who personally deflated the Periphery singer's ego after they mooned us while we were queing outside, and he told us to "Buy merch between sets because we need to leave before the show is over" fifty fucking times before I yelled "SUCKS TO BE YOU", I agree with the former.

    If it matters that much to you, write a song about it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up about your personal beefs.

    Napalm death did great. Barney proselytised a little bit ABOUT the song's message before going into it. "Friends, there are many people in this world, still oppressed by slave labour conditions. This song is about them 'ARGH ARGH BLAAAAARG!'"

    It got even better when they went into the older, very short grindcore songs. He just screamed the title before they went into it for like 30 seconds.

    Yes they did you suffer.

    Addendum : I was at the periphery show to see meshuggah.

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    [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Awww did the meanie break your benjamin?

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    [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Mod in question... https://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/108335?tab=posts&BH=6

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