Having recently seen the first trilogy among Nolan's works, I wonder what opinions you hold about the movies in general. Seeing that I'm quite late to the party, I expect some strong and mature takes in the comments, but you are still free to voice any opinion you may have.

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[+] 33 points 2 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    First movie was OK, It laid a good foundation.

    The second one was great.

    The third one was absolutely terrible.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    It's pretty impressive how good the second one is considering what it's between.

    I have an unpopular opinion in that I did not like Batman Begins. The direction is great. There's a great vibe to it all. The concept is there. But imo, the really high quality of Nolan's visual directing does so much work distracting people from how lacking the movie is in actual substance.

    I don't know how he hit such gold with the second. It wasn't just the great performance from Ledger: the overall writing and story are just way, way better than the other two. Good for him, though.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    But imo, the really high quality of Nolan's visual directing does so much work distracting people from how lacking the movie is in actual substance.

    Kind of describes most of Nolan's movies really. As a technical director, he's almost unparalleled, but his movies have often struggled to find a meaningful emotional core. They're all polish, but often lacking in substance. Tenet was especially bad for this. An absolute masterpiece of directorial craftsmanship, but almost entirely devoid of basic elements like characters.

    He's made some absolute gems - The Dark Knight still holds up, Memento deserves its reputation, and The Prestige is a masterpiece - but I find that for the most part he seems more interested in technical flexes than in the actual story he's telling. I've enjoyed every single one of his movies, don't get me wrong, but they don't stick with me the way that something like Prisoners or Only God Forgives does.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    The second is so good on so many levels.

    What I appreciated about the first one, is that it washed away the campy shit that was rhe Burton era Batman. It returned the character to seriousness the Frank Miller had established.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago*

    I prefer the Marvel-type superhero movies where they don't take everything so seriously and pretend that the premise isn't ridiculous. I guess I just wonder "why so serious"?

    Batman isn't an interesting character. His flamboyant rouges gallery is essential and I think a gritty/ realistic Batman-villain undercuts that.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    It's mighty fantastic. I love the soundtrack - by Hans Zimmer, naturally - and I love the grittier take on an "action hero" story. Not quite as dark as the later The Batman, but that one sucked. I fell asleep.

    I strongly recommend watching them with high quality speakers! Volume UP!!!

    An acquaintance of mine who was a movie/filmography major said to me some years ago, regarding Nolan's trilogy, "I'm sorry [my real name] but this is a piece of shit." I still don't know what he meant.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I actually enjoyed the Pattinson Batman movie. It was a callback to the Detective Comics origins. Hollywood tends to focus on the action, but Batman in the comics is first and foremost a detective. So the Battinson movie was focused on that. And for most of the movie, he was basically just a dude in a hoodie with a bike, riding around town looking for clues. The Riddler was a great villain for that kind of movie, and doing it any other way would have reduced Riddler’s entire character to just another punching bag.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Interesting. I did find the soundtracks to be cinematic while watching the movies, but there was nothing iconic about it, not even a simple hum I could remember afterwards. I could always recall parts of the music for other Nolan's films I've watched, but the entire trilogy seems to be an exception for some reason.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I think I know what you mean. And it's funny you say "hum", because that kind of describes the soundtrack. It's mostly quietly, slowly moving deep string harmonies, sort of like a hum, so it's totally understandable that nothing of it really stands out. I think it's mostly for creating atmosphere.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Pretty good movies.

    But I think that also understates how influential they were to superhero popular culture. It bears remembering that prior to the BatTrilogy, for a decade-ish superhero films had been either the squeezed-dry sequels of B-list characters, comedies, aimed largely at kids, and/or barely resembled their source material. While 90s and early 00s Superhero comics were moving through their edgy antihero phases, films struggling to define themselves.

    The Nolan Trilogy brought the idea of Batman as a tortured loner, alienated from his family and allies, into the broader popular culture. Batman allows villains to die, spies on innocents, and eschews sidekicks. There is no Justice League. "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain" is not the sentiment that pervaded superhero screen media in the years prior to the Nolan trilogy.

    Even if you don't like superhero stuff, they're worth watching just as an artifact of mid-late 00's culture, in my opinion.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I would describe them as pretty good, definitely worth a watch.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I used to deliberately avoid them for the express purpose of being an MCU fan, but after watching a handful of Nolan's films I decided to give them a try, and I was not disappointed at all

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well that's the dumbest reason not to watch a movie that I've seen for a long time.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    They were definitely better than the marvel movies IMO, like, significantly better.

    Marvel movies are (mostly) OK if you view them from an action movie lens.

    The Dark Knight movies were actually fairly OK as movies rather than just being action movies.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    My hot take is 3 feels like a movie about occupy wallstreet, but Nolan wasn't allowed to show those parties having any kind of validity, and the script got rewritten. The last half is just so wildly lower in quality than the first half.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    It was so good that it wasnt until zack snyder's justice league that i realised how much i missed that style of storytelling. and i understand these are different directors but they had the same goal. They are so strongly set apart from the rest of the cannon and so well told. everything else feels so rushed. and it is sad because when i sit down to listen to a story, i am dedicating my attention to it. and i want to see that kind of attention and appreciation reflected back to me. That it is like a gift. That is how i felt with the Nolan batmans.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    Could you explain the reference behind this particular selection of numbers? Is it something like 6-7?

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    It’s an old meme, based on a series of Facebook screenshots:

    Once the screenshots went viral, people started memeing about it, like so:

    As for why the 5/7 was posted here? Probably because OP was asking about the Nolan trilogy, which is mentioned in the original 5/7 meme.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I am somewhat able to get the idea of the meme, but I still fail to understand what got it popular to this extent.

    On a separate note, the third comment in the first screenshot genuinely gave me a good chuckle.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Too serious, too dark (literally hard to see, which is bad in a movie). So I didn't bother with more than the first.

    I'm not a specific superhero movie fan, but have seen all of the marvel ones and like some of the DC ones too, like the latest superman. Since it's a silly and unrealistic thing to begin with, I like superhero movie approaches that don't take themselves fully seriously.

    Absolutely loved the Arkham Asylum game!

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    I saw them long ago. I believe I liked them - tho it gave Batman a different tone.
    It is very interesting how Batman is one of those characters that change tones swinging any direction.
    I grew up seeing episodes from the og Batman series, then the animated ones (even Batman Beyond) - and I still like Batman forever. These were all different in tones.

    The 'new' ones are more modern action movie style, in my recall it was a good popcorn flick. It reminds me of the 'new' Star Trek movies - as is not Star Trek but a good movie.

    I think I am going to do a Batman binge - thanks for the reminder :)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My only issue with the 2022 Batman is that Batman basically does nothing. He doesn't figure out the riddlers clues or plan, and constantly messes up. It would have been better if he had a win or two throughout the movie.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I got that he is supposed to come off inexperienced, the issue is that I'm not sure the plot of the entire movie changes much if he were removed from the events.

    He never solves the riddlers riddles, he has to be told the answer (which the riddler might have told to anyone at that point). He does disarm the shooters at the very end, but he doesn't stop any killings/assassination attempt/flooding. It could be argued that maybe the politican would have been successfully killed if he didn't stop the riddlers henchmen (I don't think the shooter misses because of Batman, but can't recall). Additionally, he was the one that really set off the falcone plot point, which may have been dealt with very differently if he didn't get involved.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Great films, Great execution. The three movies are really good, better than every marvel

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    I thought all of them were excellent, though admittedly I only saw Rises the one time in the theatre. The Dark Knight stands out above the other two, though.

    I'm not a Batman or comic fan, which could explain my taste. In fact, a group of friends and I tried watching the 1989 one with no nostalgia and we all agreed to turn it off halfway through.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    tim burton's second batman was way better than the first, worth trying. danny devito nailed it as the penguin, christopher walken was an amazing corpo ceo slimeball, and michelle pfeiffer still the best catwoman

    the rest of the pre-nolan movies were all steamy diarrhea. one of them actually wrecked chris o'donnell's career

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The original '89 Batman is still dope. I'm surprised @DigDoug@lemmy.world didn't like it.

    What was off? Michael Keaton is one of those actors that I think can hold an audience even with weak material, and I didn't think that was weak material at all. And that's before we even get into Jack Nicholson's Joker. Was it bad? Or did it just feel boring or something?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    i wouldn't say bale is a bad actor, but he was vastly overshadowed by the rest of the cast, at least in part 1--morgan freeman, michael caine, cillian murphy, gary oldman, and whoever else was in there

    part 2 was ok but way over hyped and overrated

    part 3 was the worst, felt like nolan phoned in the whole movie

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago

    Morgan Freeman was in the cast as well???!!! Somehow I assumed he was only destined to narrate throughout his entire career that I failed to acknowledge his existence as an actor even when he was in front of the screen countless times.

    I was equally fascinated by the performance of each actor in the trilogy and hold no particular actor above the other, though I prefer Michael Caine in particular simply due to his role as a British, good-willed and supportive butler according to the plot.

    I agree that the 2nd movie was overrated. I assumed by the plethora of Joker memes that the movie would be an all-time cinematic masterpiece. The Joker's character was certainly entertaining and unique, but it was not magnificent enough to rate it above all other antagonists in the movie industry.

    I have mixed feelings about the 3rd movie. Some scenes had poor executions or just felt frustrating. However the first and last quarters if the movie kind of redeemed the movie for its imperfections and ultimately I was completely satisfied with its ending.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Nolan has been a solid director and his batman films are mostly quality filmmaking, but Bale in the titular role ruined them. He was so unenjoyable to watch. I've never rooted against the character before him. Which is weird because the rest of the casting was absolutely superb. Music and cinematography were in the sweet spot for the franchise.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Who watches Batman to see Batman? He is a drearily boring character. The villains are the ones I watch.

    Adam West and Michael Keaton are the only good Batmen, and they lean towards a self-aware comedy completely drained out of the Nolan's trilology. I can't really fault Bale.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    I’m always a sucker for scenes that show people are better than people give them credit for. The scene in Spiderman 2 when the subway car passengers refuse to give up a fainted Peter to Doc Ock is a good example; another is in The Dark Knight, when Joker tries to get two ferries to detonate the other one’s bombs, and neither does.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I didn't much enjoy them, I wasn't against the darker theme, gravelly voice etc. (Bane asides, can't stand his voice - but at least it spawned this sketch that cracks me up! https://youtu.be/1-GkQihKYvM or https://piped.video/watch?v=1-GkQihKYvM).

    Oddly the design of the batmobile & bike really bugged me, just didn't like them at all for some reason, but they do fit with the films overall at least.

    Style quibbles asides I just didn't enjoy the feel of the films, I couldn't get into the stories or characters much at all. I can't put a finger on why exactly, I just didn't enjoy them. Maybe it was the lack of cartoony villains (the 1989 version is the most impressioned film on me, not a stellar storyline, but great style & characters (Batman Returns also bug not do much)), but then I really liked The Joker, but then that is a solo story.

    Then there's the line by Alfred in the 1st film about the bats 'nesting' in the cave. As an ecologist by profession, the whole series can be burned just for that faux pas!! (Joking, but it is also unforgivable!)

    Overall, fine as a general action superhero movie series but I can't rate it highly in my experience of the Batman world.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I wasn’t against the darker theme

    I'm one of the people who didn't like the "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" line that Batman says to Ra's al Ghul in Batman Begins.

    It just really does not seem to me to fundamentally fit with the character of Batman as he's been built up over the decades. I have a hard time with Batman taking a legalistic take, and frankly, a lot of the reason that the series had recurring villains is because Batman had saved them on many occasions in many past stories.

    That being said, I suppose that there have been much more dramatic changes to comic book characters.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I know very little about the comic book versions, but this series struck me as a clear sidestep from the overall character design in that regards. Not necessarily a bad thing, like you say, any long running character has various iterations, but Batman has always come across to me as being a character formed almost wholly by the murder of his parents, so such an opinion re Ra's al Ghul feels quite a big sidestep.

    Perhaps if Nolan leaned in a bit more and asked e.g. "what if Wayne turned out less principled and more psychotic? " that could've been an interesting take. Take Batman almost wholly out of the lore and suggest an alternative. Perhaps too risky even for someone at such a high point in his career!

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago*

    They're great.

    Dark Knight was the best and I think that's a pretty common opinion. It wasn't just Ledger's performance. That installment went for a more "real" angle than the other two. It was much more grounded. The pacing was also really good. I saw all 3 in theaters and Dark Knight was the only one that got applause from the audience at the end, which is something I've only seen happen a few times in theaters.

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    They're amazing

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  • [+] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Fair enough. I didn't happen to like the Dune movies, so I didn't even bother finishing the first one.

    Agree with the sound design problem. I was lucky I was able to view the trilogy at home, else I would probably have my ears blown off like a cartoon character by the end.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I don't mind the movies are except the first one because I have very low tolerance for shaky cam fight scenes and that movie is nasty with 'em.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I want to know what voice Hardy gave Bane before the one we heard because I heard he was asked to change it because it sucked. I gotta hear how bad it was before the one they approved because I still wanna know why he gave him that voice.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    They are all great in my opinion. I get a hankering to rewatch them from time to time, but the second two more than the first one.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Heath Ledger's Joker is awesome. Other than that I think they're over-hyped.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    As batman movies go they're pretty boring. It's a dark and gritty hero, fighting dark and gritty villains, in a boring gritty city, with boring citizens. Their not bad movies. They were clearly made by clever talented people, good at what they do. But the result lacks any real contrast, just black on black on black on black. I'll rewatch any other batman movie at the drop of a hat, no questions asked. I know I'll be entertained. But I'm totally uninterested in rewatching the Nolan Batman movies.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Terrible pro police and pro surveillance slop.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I liked the "Batman, nananana nananana" theme song.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I like Nolan for sci-fi/fantasy, but I didn't care for his Batman movies. Watched every one, they bored me. I liked the first two with Michael Keaton and the one with Val Kilmer, though I was pretty young when they came out and they left an impression. Rose coloured glasses and all that. I don't really watch them now but I remember them being good.

    DC stuff in general just bores me, though I did like last year's Superman. My problem with Superman is that only a fake green rock from a planet that does not exist (so far as we know) is his one weakness, and the film opens with him having gotten his ass kicked. Didn't love it but thought it was decent. I thought I liked Batman more, but those are boring to me, too.

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    If I do as bad a job at dying as Marion Cotillard did in the 3rd movie, I hope I die again. Edit: In minecraft

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I've only seen the one with Bane, and I thought it sucked.

    It felt like Bane beat Batman for no reason, and Batman just had to overcome a pointless trial where he learned nothing, to create a manufactured darkest hour. I didn't feel like Batman ideologically bested Bane, and ideology is important to Me.

    My favourite Batman bossfight is Terry McGinnis beating the Joker in Batman Beyond. Terry is a gen alpha kid who grew up on 67 and Skibidi Toilet. Terry knows funny. And the Joker isn't funny. The Joker can't stand being the butt of the joke, he can't stand being vulnerable. Vulnerability is the key to all great comedy, and the Joker can't do it. Terry defeats the Joker by out-funnying the Joker. That's meaningful.

    I never felt like anything happening in Nolan's Batman had any meaning.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I don't really like them. To me their biggest flaw is gotham. Gotham is like it's own character and in his trilogy it's just chicago.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Saw the first two years ago, but never got round to watching the third one until a few weeks ago.

    Batman Begins - I don't really remember it too well. I think I thought it was ok.

    Dark Knight - don't remember too well hut I remember really enjoying it.

    DKR - I thought it was ok, but some bits were just so dumb, and it was often quite confusing tbh. I had thought that the general view on it was that it was great, but reading the comments here, apparently that's not the case!

    I really enjoy Nolan's work on the whole, but I'm not sure the Batman films were a good fit for him.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Great duology.TDK ishis masterpiece. TDKR is his godfather 3. It is dogshit.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    My primary motivation to watch the trilogy was to see how Christian Bale would play a regular non psychopathic role across three complete movies, even though I haven't actually seen American Psycho. I don't know why this was my main motivation, just that it was.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Batman

    non psychopathic

    Hmm...

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I would consider him to be more of a man kid with bunch of money to play with and a naive wish to 'do good'

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    My take has always been he was a super fucked up dude who never got over his parents' murder.

    Through the lens of reality, pretty much everything he does would be considered crazy (but then again, playing out childhood fantasies in the way he does falls solidly into crazy territory in my book even within the comic book universe).

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I like the episode of Harley Quinn where she goes inside Batman's mind, and it's just nothing but an infinite loop of his parents being murdered. She has to delve deep inside his subconscious to find anything else going on in there. Harley ends up earning the trust of his inner self, who is still still that scared 11 year old watching his parents die, and she becomes Batman's therapist for the rest of the show.

    Because Harley Quinn is awesome.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I have not seen that but I liked the OG Batman animated series. I'll have to check it out, thanks.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I never saw the first one, the second one was great, and the third one didn't really make any sense. I mean, I understood what was happening, but it felt ridiculous even for a superhero movie.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    They fall into the category of movies I liked but not enough to rewatch on my own. Those movies that never crosses my mind to put on but if it is already on I keep watching until they end.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Deeply flawed but fun to watch.

    Lots of funny lines to meme about and great character actors.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I'm an admitted Nolan fan boy. I loved the first 2 when they first came out but the third was pretty shaky. Given the entire story shift due to Ledger's passing though, I thought it was an ok pivot overall. I would have loved to see the Joker story to its original conclusion though.

    On rewatches years later, the first one is still good but I don't feel it's held up nearly as well as Dark Knight. I still absolutely adore that one, but Ledger did do a lot of heavy lifting. I rewatched the third recently and it just struggles to hold up. The tone shift from the first 2 is jarring and I honestly feel like Levitt was wasted as a potential Robin. The third movie could have been used as his introduction with a different villain rather than Bane, possibly Harley Quinn stepping up to fill Joker's shoes.

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    Some of the better superhero movies, most of which are mid at best.

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