Open source has become a safe harbor for far-right politics, from David Heinemeier Hansson's white-nationalist rhetoric and the Omarchy Foundation's $12 million in patron funding to so-called apolitical projects that treat marginalized contributors as political, and why a united boycott of complicit tech companies is our only way forward.

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[–] 20 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

Something that’s interesting is that this $12 million is made up of all individual donations from his rich friends, but he still lists the companies they founded.

A total conflation of people and their companies.

Everyone listed here is subhuman. This is a who’s who of mediocre tech douchebags.

Tobi Lütke, CEO of Shopify
Patrick Collison, CEO of Stripe
Michael Dell, Chairman and CEO of Dell Technologies
Jack Dorsey, Block Head and Chairman of Block
Matthew Prince, CEO of Cloudflare
Brendan Iribe, Cofounder of Sesame and Oculus
Jason Fried, CEO of 37signals
Drew Houston, cofounder and co-CEO of Dropbox
Peter Steinberger, creator of OpenClaw
Brian Armstrong, CEO of Coinbase
Yunjie Dai, cofounder of TapTap
“Yours truly”

Wow, you scored your partner at 37Signals AND yourself? So impressive.

DHH has always been a duchebag and should be avoided at all costs.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Of all of these, cloudflare is the only one really hard to avoid.

    Especially because of all their free tier stuff :'(

    I guess if you use their services and never pay it is maybe moral? Idk.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Their "free" stuff has the hidden cost of killing competition who can't throw money away to fund anticompetitive practices. The entire modern internet was conquered by oligarchs with that strategy. It's how everything became owned by a few enshittified companies.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    subhuman

    Nazi slur🚩

    should be avoided at all costs.

    that grants them a pass to continue sending people to deathcamps & Bibi‘s war. They should be 🌈composted✨.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    You can call Nazis Nazis, and not dehumanize. The word “Nazi” has all the connotations it needs all on its own. Read my bio if you're confused about who I am kind to, and who I make fertilizer powder with.

    Have you read how to deal with Nazis? Or is another OP Paperclip in order🙃?

    I am also quite older than 15日.

    それともナチスをコンポストにできない理由でもあるの?

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  • [+] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)
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    has become

    Nah you🫵 ignored the signs. I witnessed them since [redacted for safety purpose]. Your choice, your reap.

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    [–] 55 points 2 months ago

    Everyday my longstanding hatred of DHH is proven correct. I never liked him or his ideas, and seeing his shitty-but-accepted ideas in full context did a lot to help me understand how fascism is more than just ideology: It's world view, it's practices, it's lifestyle.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's nice that people are finally starting to write about what a coke fuelled POS DHH is. People within the Ruby community have known this for years. the fact that he is where he is because of some truly horrible PHP is mind boggling.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    the fact that he is where he is because of some truly horrible PHP

    Could you please explain what you mean here, for those of us unfamiliar with the context?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    His original claim to fame was building a gaming website in the early 00s utilizing some really poorly written php. a friend then asked him to essentially build basecamp because said friend didn't know any better and DHH was the only person that kinda sorta knew what he was doing. he got lucky with ruby on rails (what he used to build basecamp) cause his previous stuff was really bad.

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    12 million seems like a LOT for any distro

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  • [–] 52 points 2 months ago*

    Yep. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the distro. This is just rich fascists throwing money at eachother. There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands, of other projects that are more deserving and in more need. This is entirely about who and not what.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    This isn't even a distro, just some configuration on Arch

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    He should funnel 11mil back upstream to Arch, we all know that won't happen, but it should.

    Also for those wanting to get into Hyprland try out: ML4W. Its the best dotfiles I've used and the creator seems fine, no controversy AFAIK.

    https://www.ml4w.com/

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The problem there is Hyprland itself, with vaxry not being much better than DHH

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Idk much about vaxry, but that project has outgrown one person and is maintained / contributed by hundreds. Its also the best tiling wm for Wayland so far (IMO).

    Happy to try others out eventually but for now its too good to skip.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Gentoo does a wild amount of work on $12k per annum but I don’t think $12m is that crazy - if it’s more than you can spend then you can pass it on to your dependencies. We shouldn’t expect open source contributors to do everything as a volunteer effort because then it becomes a rich person pastime. What’s infuriating here is that this $12m goes to people who aren’t exactly doing anything worthwhile.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Ffs i didn't know 1password an futo were also part of this. My employer uses 1password for everything, guess i have one more thing to be annoying about now.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Damnit. I'm using the FUTO swipe keyboard straight from their fdroid repo.

    You know what?

    Fuck that. As an open source dev, my solidarity is needed, and it isn't lesser than the convenience their keyboard gives. It may be a small gesture, but it's better than ignoring my principles.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Heliboard and florid seems to be solid. Heliboard is even crowd sourcing training their swiping word prediction engine.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Also fun how he "funds" Hyprland but then kinda expects the project to not have paid features anymore? That seems predatory

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Open source fascism was not on my bingo card.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Is there a cheat sheet somewhere to know what projects are run by lunatics?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Issue is, fascists engage in entryism a lot more than leftists, so there's a good chance it'll get flooded with plausible sounding but fake reports (pretty easy to AI generate then touch it up by hand to hide the telltale signs), or at worse will be used to harass marginalized folks by trying to frame 10+ year old posts (if not completely fake ones) as representative of someone today. Also you'll be creating them an easy to search solidarity list, so they'll be just supporting those projects even more.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Well, shit, I'd only heard of vaxry because we seem to share an opinion on D-Bus.

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    It simpliefeis and unifies things too much, which is nice for making things "Just Work" but not so nice for making things work well.

    Same reason I went back to init from systemd.

    I like a more modular and intentional apprtoach, even if it is less simple.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Huh. I'm wiþ you on systemd, but not so much dbus. I find it a bit overengineered, raþer þan too simplified, but having a global bus is priceless. What's your alternative?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I've not really seen any options, but it seems like there should be. Any time one system becomes the system it tends to end up bad, eitehr intentionally, or from creep dumping more stuff in to make it "better" until it's broken.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Yeah, scope creep is hard to resist. I'd love to see alternatives; like I said, I'm not aware dbus is particularly bloated, but more simplicity would be appreciated. dbus is a pain to program for.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Vaxry, the developer behind the Hyprland Wayland compositor (another Omacom-funded project), was banned in 2024 by Freedesktop.org's Code of Conduct team over a pattern of the Hyprland Discord enabling harassment of trans community members, including an incident where moderators changed a trans user's display name to strip their pronouns. Vaxry's own public response framed the ban as ideological overreach by "social justice warriors," while the Freedesktop side, recounted at LibreNews, describes over a year of private attempts to get him to address the toxicity before going public. Hyprland's contributing guidelines now ban "political" speech too.

    I'd recommend anyone actually accusing him of anything first read https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity . IMO it's very overblown and weakens similar accusations.

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  • [+] -20 points 2 months ago (21 children)

    Jesus kurwa ja pierdole.... Code is code. Who the fuck cares who wrote it? Unless project itself serves racist/transphobic/homophobic/etc purposes (like an app specifically build to doxx gay people or something) I don't care who's developing it. If you don't agree with the developers simply don't donate or contribute to the project. If it's paid don't support their business. If it's free - who cares?

    I don't really care that some influencers use open source to promote their shitty agenda. There are shitty influencers everywhere and there's plenty of fascist money to go around so yes, they will always find some sponsors. Don't donate, don't contribute, don't engage. But if the code is already written and does something useful... who cares who wrote it?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I think the issue here is that 12 million has been donated to a fascist, not just that some people use said fascist's software.

    Like yes it's technically a foundation, but he can just use that money to further his fascist goals. Remember, this is a dude who complained that non-white people dare exist in London

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I think the issue here is that 12 million has been donated to a fascist, not just that some people use said fascist’s software.

    I agree. It's an issue that some right wing foundation got 12 million dollars. It's a political issue. The fact that some people use some free software is not an issue at all. What I was talking about is people mixing those two things, exactly like you did in this sentence. I wrote more about in a comment below so I'm not going to repeat it here.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Bud, you can both use it and not donate, and stop chuds from doing anything that benefits them. If you think challenging fascists is a problem, you're a fascist for helping them. There is no such thing as an apolitical, human-made production, which means you have to constantly weed out harmful politics from everything; it's called criticism.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Even if you're not giving money, your still giving support to a facist. You're saying "I dont mind that they're facist as long as I benefit from their work". Just by using their software they're being promoted over non-facist software.

    When a facist gives out a free lunch, and people line up for the lunch, the facist is getting visibility for their facism.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Just by using their software they’re being promoted over non-facist software.

    No, you think that because you're mixing politics and engineering and you feel 'yucky' when using software written by someone you disagree with. I don't.

    If a fascist engineer designed a bridge and I walk on it am I supporting fascism? Am I giving visibility to it? Do I have to walk around and use a different bridge? You will probably say that yes, people using roads in New York support racism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses) but I disagree.

    I can use software without giving money, likes, following its creator on social media, reposting his messages or otherwise promoting his ideas. His code running on my computer doesn't provide any support to him, same as people driving under racist bridges don't promote racism.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Jesus kurwa ja pierdole… Code is code. Who the fuck cares who wrote it? Unless project itself serves racist/transphobic/homophobic/etc purposes (like an app specifically build to doxx gay people or something) I don’t care who’s developing it.

    Yeah but the problem with that argument is that when kind and empathetic people have to starve and beg for money with equal or higher level of quality output compared to those who peddle racism and bigotry, it feels like the world only rewards racism and bigotry.

    You tell me: there are a lot of great projects that don't spread hatred, bigotry and disparity but they don't get even a fraction of the funding this project gets. And this project is just some dotfiles over ArchLinux. Even Archlinux didn't get this much funding in one go.

    The spirit of open-source is built on Kindness and Empathy. When a movement such as that is slowly hijacked by people who are ideologically opposed to kindness and empathy, then the kind and empathetic get deprived of a sense of place and belonging.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The main idea of open source is that code should be free (as in speech) so people can really own it, modify it, contribute and work on it together. So no, open source is not about Kindness and Empathy. I can accept your PR for my project and I don't have to know anything about your values, opinions or gender. If you run into a bug in an app you're using you can submit a fix without getting into the politics of the maintainer. Open source is a technical solution for a practical problem of locked down code.

    What your talking about is another layer of ideology and politics built on top of the open source movement. It's natural that people from communities and need some rules on interacting within them. In different groups different views become mainstream and different types of people join them. Then groups with different ideologies start fighting with each other. It's all normal. And yes, right wing influencers always get more funding simply because rich people are mostly right wing and are willing to support them.

    The problem here is that people now start to mix those two layers and try to govern the technical part using tools from the ideological part. If code is useful, if it does something we need (it's a driver, it's a protocol implementation, it's offers some crucial functionality) it doesn't really matter who wrote it. You can use it and it will not contaminate your computer with fascist/liberal ideology. If you want to engage will all this drama on political level you're free to do it, just like you're free to be a political activist in any other space. Just be careful not to mix politics with code. What is happening now is that people start rejecting code because they don't like who wrote it. It makes no sense. It's just code.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    If you pay a nazi to bake you a pizza, you may have gotten a pizza you need to live, but you've also paid a nazi.

    And when there are also 19 other pizzamakers, who aren't nazis, then it's not all that strange for people to think it's a bad thing when you get your pizza from a nazi.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Thank you for writing this. I find this behavior incredibly counterproductive and immature. Additionally people are like "look at all of its security flaws!". Great, now all of the fringe people who have joined Linux because it has gotten them to jump Microsoft/Apple ship and who might not understand the realm of software are just going to get hit with FUD.

    If you're going to keep up the crusade against it, wouldn't it just be better to channel that energy into a fork and that way we can all build of its success?

    I have used Omarchy and I loved it. DHH also acts like someone I might feel desirous of punching. It feels like something Microsoft would seed discontent and leverage our lizard brains' need to shake our fists in the air.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Opposing racism and bigotry is not immature. I feel like you should learn kindness and empathy.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    additionally, i'm not saying that opposing racism or bigotry is immature. I'm saying throwing out a successful open-source project because the owner is allegedly a racist/bigot (i admittedly know nothing or care to know anything about this DHH character) is counterproductive. Is the code racist/bigoted? If I make something using Omarchy as my OS, am I racist/bigoted? It sounds like that's what you're implying...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    First of all, the premise that this "open-source" project is innovative or there's something other than Archlinux + Dotfiles + Bundled software in the ISO is flawed. There's hardly anything inside the OS that other projects cannot achieve or haven't. If you want to call something innovative, Nix and NixOS fit the bill perfectly, CachyOS also fits the description. Omarchy doesn't. It's like saying Endeavour OS is doing something innovative.

    When someone who is not intent on supporting bigots looks at EndeavourOS and Omarchy, They will choose EndeavourOS 100% of the time.

    Success for you might be to get a million dollars and not question the origins of said money or the motives. Other people may have stricter standards for success than that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I don't believe I've used the word "innovative" anywhere.

    You're forgetting the very important aspect of actually getting users to use your product. Look, I hate marketing. I refuse to do it myself over channels like instagram, twitter/x, etc. Sadly, that's what works for the vast majority of people.

    The reality is that right now people are fucked in the head with conditioned patterns. That means you, that means me. There's a lot of dissonance going on in the world of people coming into hard terms with reality, and one of those realities is that dumbasses have a lot of money and we're still allowing that money to have power over us.

    There's only so much time in the day and we have to do things intelligently in the ways that they work. Sometimes that is going to involve radical acceptance that we are also part of the problem and that changing our own habits is really the most control we have. Is there fascism around? Yeah, probably. Evil is a part of the world and it will be there tomorrow in another form.

    Re: EndeavourOS - no. they wont. I don't even know what EndeavourOS and I'm 1,000,000x more tech savvy then 99% of the people I know. Just like there's a 1% of people who own all the wealth, there's a 1% of people who have technical knowledge and the rest are relatively illiterate. You guys are in an echo box and I'm sorry but no one gives a shit because they don't understand even what a config file is. They might understand that Microsoft and Apple are spying on them, Linux is something that is the new fad. Omarchy looks cool.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    i find it interesting you think that i do not have kindness or empathy based on my stance. I'd be curious if you were to meet me in real life if you could pick me out of a hypothetical lineup.

    This project has received money because it has drawn people to linux. I can still appreciate open-source code even if it's written by an asshat.

    On the other hand, I won't touch an Apple product and I judge tech enthusiasts who do. I will still say they make impressive products, but I have a strong stance against proprietary code for the sake of profit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    This project has received money because it has drawn people to linux. I can still appreciate open-source code even if it’s written by an ass hat.

    1. This project has received money because a bunch of rich CEOs are friends with DHH.
    2. These people like what DHH holds as his ideology and promote similar rightwing xenophobic ideas.
    3. The project itself isn't innovating in the space. The likes of NixOS come to mind when you think what's new in the field.
    4. Omarchy is a bundle of software and AI. The image is 6 GB because it's Arch + dotfiles + software.
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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    In today's world, adoption is not typically driven by real innovation, it's driven by formulaic marketing people are impressively easily manipulated by. Programming.dev is a very small community of technically inclined people who are capable enough that the conversation can be about values.... Almost the entire rest of the world don't even realize that a computer speaks in 1's and 0's. They live in a world of complete abstraction dictated by manufactured dopamine. NO ONE ELSE IN THE WORLD HAS THE BANDWIDTH TO EVEN DISCUSS THIS TOPIC.

    I know an entire group of great people who all use Omarchy because it's an accessible software that they can convince others to install and configure. These are people who are working on projects trying to spread healthy sovereign lifestyles away from this system dictated by money. I asked one of them if they heard about DHH being a Nazi and they were clueless. They are new to linux and it's already difficult enough to get them to make the leap off of windows/macosx. Everyone in the space has their cool Omarchy computer though with its fun screensaver that reminds them of N64 graphics and they go alright I want to be cool too. There's no chance in hell they're going to install NixOS (I already tried for one guy and we hit a glitch with his wifi and he just wanted to go back to Omarchy so he could continue working on stuff).

    What I'm trying to say is none of these people are fascist/nazis nor support them, but there bandwidth is minimal. The only way I could ever see them switching off of Omarchy is if the exact same state were branched and all that changed was the name and the people behind it. That switch I could be like "Hey guys! I know you all love Omarchy but sadly the guy behind it is a nazi. Not to worry, you just have to run this command and you'll be on a project supported by good people." That's the most I can expect of them.

    FYI I use NixOS and Omarchy and AI were stepping stones for me to get there.

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    It's not a foundation. It COULD HAVE been one but in typical coke fuelled ranting DHH fashion he blogged about how the money would go towards marketing thus, womp womp, no tax exempt foundation for you buddy.

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    [–] 31 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    'Hear hear', 'word!' and so on..

    Btw. This is just one of the main paths to shape the public opinion/information space. They promote people and projects that align with their future, and hammers away on those that doesn't. That's all it takes. Do that 24/7 over years to a lifetime, and they can - and DO - beat activist voices/critique, and shape the opinions on everything from Academia, to Capitalist free market economics, to what human 'nature' is, to vilifying every ideological/scientific opponent so they can attack their enemies with no moral repercussions, and everything in between that suits them. Oh, and they own/control basically all western media and control/pay for their favourite 'NGO's like 'human rights' etc, that play into their hands, but really don't give 2 fcks about..

    So, this is not just about enshittification/control of the open source world.

    This whole western manipulation scheme is well-known, documented, and is also called "Manufacturing consent", "The Blue Church" etc, and you CANNOT escape it if you are not aware of it ! Unfortunately, the whole western hemisphere are under the influence of these sswipe pschos misinformation, and quickly goes into a fierce defence of the Epstein Oligarchs, their pet ideological substrate, and the 'truth' the oligarchs are disseminating through their own effing media. Did anyone really believe that actual events in the world would pass through oligarch/epstein owned media, and survive ?!? come ooon...

    Educate your-self’s on how the Rich man's dictatorial empire actually works and break out before the Epstein cnts destroy our common future !!

    This is just ONE of an ocean of studies/research done on the Merican Epstein empire: Colonization of the Mind -The Means, Roots, and Global Perils of U.S. Cognitive Warfare - By Xinhua Institute. Search and read it without inherited bias. See if you can break out of the Epstein manufactured 'china-hate'..

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I hate that any stance on one’s ethical position is considered political. It isn’t. It’s just ethics. One would hope the FOSS community would see this false “apolitical” narrative for the bullshit it is. Really bums me out when interesting projects get mired in this.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Bad news buddy. Ethics are politics. If anything politics is the warfare for the implementation of ethics. You can't be ethical yet unwilling to enforce your ethics, and the only way to do that is to engage in politics. That's just the only way to influence the behavior of other human beings.

    The worse part is that tech culture has failed to understand that all and any technology is part of the conflict to define politics. Whether you like it or not. Anything that involves a person besides yourself is political, because humans are political animals.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Anyone else know what's up with including Framework at the end of the post? That seemed to come out of left field. I checked and nowhere else in the article is it mentioned, so it's not clear at all what his beef with Framework is.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    There was a bit of controversy when Framework promoted Omarchy and when prompted about it they didn't respond strongly enough about DHH's views. They also sponsored Hyprland which has their own controversies and it seems many tie the two projects together since it is the compositor that ships with Omarchy.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    They sponsor a window manager called Hyprland, which is developed by some aggressively unwoke guy. When dealing with it Framework has blundered, babbling about a big tent instead of publicly asking the guy to stop being an idiot if he wants to keep receiving money.

    I suspect people asking to boycot Framework tend to forget that people occasionally need to buy new laptops, and when doing so they have the choice between 1) a repairable laptop developed by a company supporting open source, and 2) a non-repairable laptop lining the pockets of people who are guaranteed to do more evil in the world than whoever develops some fucking Wayland window manager. But this is probably a dangerous take in these parts.

    Edit: It seems the Framework also tweeted about Omarchy and some stuff. Not a great look, not sure if it's boycot worthy either.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It’s always a little strange to see people link the Hyprland toxicity post when so much of it wasn’t fact-checked by the author or was presented without the context to make it look worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Yeah. I don't have the energy to read up on him too much but what I see reminds me more of socially awkward teenagers trying to be edgy than actual fascists. It seems to me it's a person who needs guidance more than boycot and a cold shoulder. But then again I can't be bothered to do my research and I'm sure a lot of people would be eager to tell me how wrong I am.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    lining the pockets of people who are guaranteed to do more evil in the world than whoever develops some fucking Wayland window manager.

    I both understand and also completely do not understand this shit.

    Like you don't think there are anti-woke nazi motherfuckers profiting within every company?

    The hills people decide to die on are strange and in general the left likes cutting it's own nose off.

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