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[–] 90 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Linux locked out of age-gated services because it doesn’t have the necessary verification features and adoption stifles in 3…2…

But seriously do you think it’s really a good thing that the country seems to be moving forward with requiring ID to be online, and suddenly they’re like “oh pff Linux? Yeah don’t worry about that shit, it can be exempt whatever” like that makes it for Special Boys who can Keep Their Freedom and Tendies?

No man, it’ll be DRM’d off the internet. They’ll keep using it for servers since servers don’t need to verify their age to clients. This feels like an attempt to kill Linux on the desktop.

The correct thing would be to not have this law at all.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Good news! Linux isn't getting "locked out" of age-gated services (those checks happen at the site itself for ID vendors, digital ID wallets), not via the OS. There's no mechanism in these laws that transmits an OS age signal to websites, so there's nothing to lock Linux out of. Sites just fall back to their own verification, same as they must for any desktop browser.

    The "they'll quietly exempt Linux as a trap" framing also doesn't match reality: California's AB 1856 passed 69-0 explicitly redefining "OS provider" to exclude GPL/MIT/BSD/Apache software, Colorado exempts open-source OS outright, and the exemption bans requesting age signals unless legally required , the opposite of a DRM channel. Servers are untouched because there's no obligation on servers.

    That said, the core worry is legitimate: these laws are scope creep waiting to happen. An earlier draft of AB 1856 would have forced browsers and websites to demand age signals and, that would have hit Linux hard. It died this time, but nothing says it stays dead. So the threat isn't today's statutes, it's the next round of amendments, plus hybrid cases like SteamOS sitting in legal gray zones.

    You're right, the law shouldn't exist at all, and the trajectory deserves skepticism.

    However, the mechanism is not there Nobody's DRM'ing Linux off the internet, YET.

    The fight is making sure that stays true.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Kids are gonna learn Linux to watch porn and I couldn’t be happier about it.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Porn websites will most likely going to have age verification enabled. So, it might not matter what OS or browser kids use to visit such websites.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    «We really dont wanna deal with these nerds, lets just ignore them for now»

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Also: << the nerds aren't going to do any of this shit, so... let's look like the good guys by exempting them so we don't look terrible when the nerds show how obviously this is all security theater >>

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  • [–] 42 points 2 months ago

    Band-aid over an intolerable abuse.

    No computer needs personally identifying information just to boot. You are an object, do as you're told. There is no legitimate government interest that justifies this demand.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Translation: there's no way to force open source software to follow the law as it was written.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It would wildly fuck with enterprise systems because you would have to have a way to verify age for the users of EVERY system. The way it is now you would have to verify the age of users of iot and smart devices. You have to have id to turn on your lights or use the refrigerator.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Plenty of systems like that use windows too though. I mean I totally welcome more reasons to use Linux but at the same time my job could become more interesting if we had to switch to Linux.

    I would love it. Until everyone else quits. Perhaps I could demand higher pay?

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Whilst this would be better than blanket age verification, I feel it's a mediocre outcome for the wrong fight.

    Rather than taking a carve out for FOSS, the right fight is to get the online anonymity ban age verification legislation taken out completely.

    If we let ourselves be satisfied with a carve out for those of us who are technically literate enough to sidestep early implementations anyway, we let the status quo change, until eventually they will come back for FOSS with the justification:

    "well, EVERYONE ELSE submits to age verification, why should FOSS be any different?!"

    or more likely:

    "${scaryThreat} now uses FOSS to commit ${heinousCrime} against ${peopleWeSuddenlyCareAboutForPoliticalCapital} so we HAVE to protect the kids on FOSS now too!! #thoughtsAndPrayers #wontSomebodyThinkOfTheChildren"

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Instead of age verification, it should be improved parental controls. Make it more obvious how to set them up. The initial boot for windows first page could be "are you setting this up for an adult or child?", even require shops selling computers to make sure customers understand that.

    Make the parents take the responsibility they are currently somehow managing to avoid.

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  • [–] 92 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    BTW System76, the company behind their Linux laptops and the Linux desktop COSMIC, was fighting hard against the law to make exemptions for Open Source software. That's important for them, because System76 operates in California. So I think they are big part to thank for here: Colorado and California Exempt Open Source from Age Attestation (May 2026)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    According to this website https://github.com/BryanLunduke/DoesItAgeVerify

    System76 also planned to implement age verification should the law pass. They did not claim that they'll relocate or re-register their company legally, or request their users upon installation to not use the OS in California/Colorado, or anything like that actually.

    I think that's noteworthy. I personally consider it half a fight. Like, you create noise, but if boss says it's OK, you say "OK, you're the boss after all".

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Also makes System76's standing a little bit weaker in my eyes. Still *obviously* among the good forces, but they nevertheless gave in to the pressure around and were ready to comply.

    ... *slightly offtopic* I hate what the US / Donald Trump / Money power is doing with people and companies...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I find it interesting that the Greedy Old Pedo party is so willing to give up their anonymous gay porn surfing for a quick buck from telecoms. Then again, they have never been good at big picture or predicting completely forseeable outcomes.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I mean they live and work there, and all business and contracts are done there. This is not an individual who can react and just go to a different country to live on, its affecting everyone in the company and all partners. Off course they have to comply if the law goes through. I personally don't blame them that they are prepaired for such a case, and do not downplay their work and fight because of that.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Of course it's affecting everything. I'm not claiming that they're evil. But either them or their positioning, seems to be somewhat weak when given pressure. They're not standing on solid ground so to speak.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago

    Such a stupid law.

    Why is the OS responsible for verifying the age of people using Facebook or whatever?

    Imagine if it was Jim Beam's job to verify you were over 21.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Microsoft switching to a Linux kernel in…

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Why do you assume that Microsoft doesn't want to comply?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Expense of getting and staying compliant.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think that is a problem for Microsoft, especially because they would want your ID and age, tracking you as much as possible already. Also you don't just change the Kernel just like that, there are licenses attached, drivers and other stuff. From technical point of view, in current implementation it is probably impossible. Let alone Microsoft would face issues with compatibility. If we put the technical difficulties aside, I don't even think Microsoft is against this law and pretty much wants it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    They could just change the license of their codebase, if that's what they wanted to do. No way in hell they care about users enough though, and probably most windows users still don't care enough even about this to jump ship.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago

    GPL edition of Windows coming when?

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    I haven't been following this particular law, but I've always wondered how it would have been implemented for servers.
    Even windows has a server edition I believe, if a corporation is using a windows server, would one of their IT employees have to verify it themselves?
    What about IOT operating systems, docker/podman containers, router firmware, and so on. Not sure if they address these things in the legal code or not.

    This is good news for california, I believe atleast colorado has a similar law being proposed as well. Hope they take notes from cali.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Is it even technically possible to enforce it on open-source application, with code readily available for tweaks and modifications?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    It's fundamentally unenforceable, even if they tried to do what they've done to phones and not allow other OS's to be installed, you could still get development boxes, embedded boxes, etc that by nature of being what they are could not have locked boot loaders.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is only IF Gavin Newsom signs it. There's no reason to believe he would. It's not like he's famous for following what the people of California want.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    California should make Windows as annoying to use as possible so more people switch to Linux

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    This is good news. But why make this distinction? Why is this ok for FOSS but not other platforms?

    Also private platforms are more likely to abuse this information.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Well, politics isn't about finding the one principle to rule them all. The folks/companies that find restricting access to children important, probably don't particularly care about some Linux devices being excluded. And other folks/companies find not restricting their Linux server really important, so that's a compromise that can be made.

    I imagine, they landed on specifically open-source being excluded as the more abstract rule, because open-source in particular has a problem here.
    Anyone can download open-source software and run it. In most cases, there is no central backend, which could handle age verification.

    And even if there is, it's not really financially viable to offer that for anyone who downloads the software for free. Requiring payment to access the binaries or the source code would also effectively kill the open-source ecosystem, which is also not in the interest of most people.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Because this is temporary. FOSS OS' will be forced to comply in 10-15years max if the law stands.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Because FOSS isn't the problem. The problem the law seeks to address is profit-driven big businesses like Meta and Fortnite who don't care to provide any protections for kids or actively target them in their manipulative behaviour, hence targeting the laws at the actual problem (non-FOSS software).

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    But I can use Facebook and play Fortnite on Linux right?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Fortnite intentionally blocks Linux users. It will not run without their windows only rootkit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    The real question should be, "Should I allow others to manipulate my OS's kernel" and the answer should probably be no. But I get it, we NEED to stop the cheaters from stealing our digital cammo booty shorts, it's quite the conundrum.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Can we please include the whole rest of the SPDX license list?

    Or even better, restrict it to a few commercial ones?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The actual language in the law is "under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software". So yeah all the FOSS licenses and even some commercial ones are exempt, only the EULA-ridden shit (i.e. macOS and windows) is gonna be affected. I wonder if Google will start releasing "Chromiumbooks" with license terms that allow them to evade this law.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Google doesn't even have a motive to try evading this. Legally mandating that they collect user IDs means that they get to collect more personal data under the guise of compliance, and can also market the increased privacy invasion as a "child safety" feature.

    ChromiumOS doesn't need to comply, according to the current bill, but Google has no reason to ship it preinstalled on any consumer devices.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Welp time to switch to Linux and graphene

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    You may keep you projects for now nerds!

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    CDDL not mentioned. Have fun illumos!

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